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[https://vietnamnews.vn/sunday/features/415972/boosting-childrens-face-value-confidence.html#vbd20vxmmdQOyPPu.97 Boosting children’s 'face value', confidence], ''[[Việt Nam News]]'' |
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[https://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/society/210403/social-news-17-10.html Social News 17/10], ''vietnam.net''. Doesn't have a WP-article, but may not be awful. FWIW, we use it in other places:[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=vietnamnet.vn&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go] |
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[https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/world/vietnamese-children-get-help-face-world Vietnamese children get help to face the world] ''[[The Sunday Guardian]]'' [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC) |
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Some more: [https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-23632245/london-surgeons-help-children-of-agent-orange][https://vietnamnews.vn/society/health/278956/two-craniofacial-centres-to-be-established-in-viet-nam.html#cFEMzTloPcufqytq.97][https://gulfnews.com/culture/people/volunteer-medics-changing-children-s-faces-and-lives-1.970266]. I don't think [[WP:NOTABLE]] is a problem, but of course we need to get that into the article. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC) |
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'''Facing the World'''(FTW)<ref>{{cite web |title=Facing The World – UK Charity for Children with Facial Disfigurement |url=http://facingtheworld.net/ |website=facingtheworld.net}}</ref> is a UK-based charity that seeks to help children in Vietnam with devastating facial disfigurements. The focus is educational, with FTW providing training in craniofacial surgery, through its Fellowship Program, to doctors across Vietnam so that surgery can be offered to increasing numbers of children.<ref>{{cite web |title=Vietnamese children get help to face the world - The Sunday Guardian Live |url=https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/world/vietnamese-children-get-help-face-world |website=The Sunday Guardian Live |date=14 July 2018}}</ref> |
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Founded in 2003, for the greater part of its history FTW has been been active in Vietnam. This is because the occurrence of birth defects in Vietnam is estimated to be some 10 times higher than in neighbouring countries. Since 2008, the charity has run missions in which its surgeons operate on children with craniofacial defects and provide on-site training for the local teams. In 2014, Da Nang General Hospital and the charity co-hosted the first national Vietnam Craniofacial Conference. |
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FTW's reach in Vietnam has expanded over time, and the charity now has intensive collaborations not only with Da Nang General Hospital<ref>{{cite web |title=UK organisation to help building Craniofacial Surgery Faculty |url=http://baodanang.vn/english/politics/201504/uk-organisation-to-help-building-craniofacial-surgery-faculty-2409069/ |website=DaNangToDay |language=vi}}</ref> but also with Hong Ngoc Hospital<ref>{{cite web |title=Hong Ngoc Hospital, Facing the World offer free surgeries for disfigured children |url=https://english.vov.vn/society/hong-ngoc-hospital-facing-the-world-offer-free-surgeries-for-disfigured-children-374244.vov |website=VOV - VOV Online Newspaper |date=9 May 2018}}</ref>, Viet-Duc University Hospital<ref>{{cite web |title=Boosting children’s 'face value', confidence |url=https://vietnamnews.vn/sunday/features/415972/boosting-childrens-face-value-confidence.html |website=vietnamnews.vn |language=en}}</ref> and, recently, 108 Military Hospital in Hanoi. Further appropriate hospitals will be added to its program. |
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Fellowships in the UK for Vietnamese doctors are key to the charity’s overall success. Visiting doctors shadow FTW surgeons, and observe and learn new techniques and approaches. These fellowships are then built on during missions to the hospitals in Vietnam where UK and Vietnamese teams jointly operate and put the new approaches and techniques to use. Recently, FTW has begun working with The Toronto Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids), who are now also hosting Vietnamese doctors under the FTW Fellowship Program. |
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In addition to its training program, FTW seeks to enable donations of vital equipment to its partner hospitals that will improve efficiency, and enable increasing numbers of operations to be performed. Equipment needs are identified in collaboration with the hospitals. |
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The charity is run primarily by volunteers. All the doctors donate their time as does the CEO (Trustee). |
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Official status in Vietnam has been granted through Paccom registration. The charity has signed Memorandum of Understanding agreements with VAVA (Vietnam Association of Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin)<ref>{{cite web |title=THE VIETNAMESE ASSOCIATION OF VICTIMS OF AGENT ORANGE (VAVA) {{!}} MSAVLC |url=http://msavlc.org/the-vietnamese-association-of-victims-of-agent-orange-vava/ |website=msavlc.org}}</ref>, the Vietnam Red Cross and Direct Relief<ref>{{cite web |title=Facing The World mở rộng mạng lưới cứu trợ tại Việt Nam |url=https://www.tienphong.vn/suc-khoe/facing-the-world-mo-rong-mang-luoi-cuu-tro-tai-viet-nam-1209884.tpo |website=Báo điện tử Tiền Phong |date=20 November 2017}}</ref>. FTW has a Vietnamese patron and two long-term financial supporters, giving it a sound platform from which to continue to expand its services throughout Vietnam. |
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The charity was commended by the UK’s Prime Minister with a Points of Light award<ref>{{cite web |title=Facing the World - Points of Light |url=https://www.pointsoflight.gov.uk/facing-the-world/ |website=Points of Light |date=6 April 2017}}</ref> in recognition of excellence, and has been awarded the prestigious award for “Peace and Friendship among Nations” from the Vietnam Union of Friendship Organizations<ref>{{cite web |title=Executive Director of UK based charity honoured |url=http://tgvn.com.vn/executive-director-of-uk-based-charity-honoured-70780.html |language=vi-VN |date=8 May 2018}}</ref>. The charity has received the official endorsement of the UK All-Party Parliamentary Group for Vietnam and the Vietnam-UK Network. Most recently, the highest State award in Vietnam, the Government Friendship Medal, was awarded to Katrin Kandel (FTW's Voluntary CEO) and Facing The World.<ref>{{cite web |title=Friendship Order given to Katrin Kandel, CEO of Facing the World |url=http://vietnamfriendship.vn/Friendship-Order-given-to-Katrin-Kandel-CEO-of-Facing-the-World-01-23565.html |website=vietnamfriendship.vn |language=vi}}</ref> |
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<span style="border:2px red; border-style:none none solid;">Founded in 2003, for the greater part of its history FTW has been been active in Vietnam. This is because the occurrence of birth defects in Vietnam is estimated to be some 10 times higher than in neighbouring countries. Since 2008, the charity has run missions in which its surgeons operate on children with craniofacial defects and provide on-site training for the local teams. In 2014, Da Nang General Hospital and the charity co-hosted the first national Vietnam Craniofacial Conference.</span><br> |
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== Request to remove page == |
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Good evening. I have just seen your latest edit. Thank you for this, but in particular citation 5 does not reflect what the charity now does - the reason for the wholesale revision I have tried to make so unsuccesfully. I agree the page is far from adequate. Is it possible to remove it entirely? It would be better to have no page at all than something which may mislead. |
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Thank you for the help you have given to date - it is genuinely appreciated. It's just that I have no time available at the moment to get the article up to Wikipedia standard, and I think everyone would agree it is not good as it stands. |
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[[User:Emmeliss|Emmeliss]] ([[User talk:Emmeliss|talk]]) 20:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC) |
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[edit]Boosting children’s 'face value', confidence, Việt Nam News
Social News 17/10, vietnam.net. Doesn't have a WP-article, but may not be awful. FWIW, we use it in other places:[1]
Vietnamese children get help to face the world The Sunday Guardian Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Some more: [2][3][4]. I don't think WP:NOTABLE is a problem, but of course we need to get that into the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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I am a volunteer for the charity this article is about. The page needs updating because of developments within the charity, but I understand that I may be seen to have a COI, hence the edit request.
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Facing the World(FTW)[1] is a UK-based charity that seeks to help children in Vietnam with devastating facial disfigurements. The focus is educational, with FTW providing training in craniofacial surgery, through its Fellowship Program, to doctors across Vietnam so that surgery can be offered to increasing numbers of children.[2]
Founded in 2003, for the greater part of its history FTW has been been active in Vietnam. This is because the occurrence of birth defects in Vietnam is estimated to be some 10 times higher than in neighbouring countries. Since 2008, the charity has run missions in which its surgeons operate on children with craniofacial defects and provide on-site training for the local teams. In 2014, Da Nang General Hospital and the charity co-hosted the first national Vietnam Craniofacial Conference.
FTW's reach in Vietnam has expanded over time, and the charity now has intensive collaborations not only with Da Nang General Hospital[3] but also with Hong Ngoc Hospital[4], Viet-Duc University Hospital[5] and, recently, 108 Military Hospital in Hanoi. Further appropriate hospitals will be added to its program. Fellowships in the UK for Vietnamese doctors are key to the charity’s overall success. Visiting doctors shadow FTW surgeons, and observe and learn new techniques and approaches. These fellowships are then built on during missions to the hospitals in Vietnam where UK and Vietnamese teams jointly operate and put the new approaches and techniques to use. Recently, FTW has begun working with The Toronto Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids), who are now also hosting Vietnamese doctors under the FTW Fellowship Program. In addition to its training program, FTW seeks to enable donations of vital equipment to its partner hospitals that will improve efficiency, and enable increasing numbers of operations to be performed. Equipment needs are identified in collaboration with the hospitals. The charity is run primarily by volunteers. All the doctors donate their time as does the CEO (Trustee).
Official status in Vietnam has been granted through Paccom registration. The charity has signed Memorandum of Understanding agreements with VAVA (Vietnam Association of Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin)[6], the Vietnam Red Cross and Direct Relief[7]. FTW has a Vietnamese patron and two long-term financial supporters, giving it a sound platform from which to continue to expand its services throughout Vietnam. The charity was commended by the UK’s Prime Minister with a Points of Light award[8] in recognition of excellence, and has been awarded the prestigious award for “Peace and Friendship among Nations” from the Vietnam Union of Friendship Organizations[9]. The charity has received the official endorsement of the UK All-Party Parliamentary Group for Vietnam and the Vietnam-UK Network. Most recently, the highest State award in Vietnam, the Government Friendship Medal, was awarded to Katrin Kandel (FTW's Voluntary CEO) and Facing The World.[10] References
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[edit]Good evening. I have just seen your latest edit. Thank you for this, but in particular citation 5 does not reflect what the charity now does - the reason for the wholesale revision I have tried to make so unsuccesfully. I agree the page is far from adequate. Is it possible to remove it entirely? It would be better to have no page at all than something which may mislead.
Thank you for the help you have given to date - it is genuinely appreciated. It's just that I have no time available at the moment to get the article up to Wikipedia standard, and I think everyone would agree it is not good as it stands.
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