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==Declassification== |
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One thing that's not addressed very well in the article is "informal" declassification. For example, Col. Richard Graham has a highly detailed (and splendid) book on the SR-71 program ("SR-71 Revealed: The Inside Story", {{ISBN|0760301220}}). Col. Graham was a former commander of an SR-71 unit, and the material is very, very rich in detail. I'm sure that not all of this was formally declassified. So how did he get to publish all this info? I've also seen a few books on the F-117 program from 10 years ago where former pilots and commanders discussed various details of the plane, and surely these details didn't go past a declassification authority. I guess that also begs the question who a declassification authority is. -[[User:Rolypolyman|Rolypolyman]] ([[User talk:Rolypolyman|talk]]) 03:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC) |
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: Whenever anyone with a clearance wants to publish something (an article, a book, etc.) they have to clear it through their security manager first, who lets the the author know if it needs to be sanitized. If s/he said it checks out, then it's unclassified. Besides, who's to say none of the authors fudged some/all of their numbers just to be on the safe side? And declassification is theoretically a simple process; you simply ask the person/agency who classified it in the first place. The intel community being what it is, however, often makes it difficult to track down exactly who made the call and there's certainly no guarantee that they will, in fact, listen to your request. [[User:Zoeblaize|Zoeblaize]] ([[User talk:Zoeblaize|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Quibble: "Whenever anyone with a clearance wants to publish something ... they" are legally required to clear it. However, there have been cases where authors published it anyway without asking permission first. [[User:DavidMCEddy|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy|talk]]) 01:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
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On a related issue of declassification, there are several times where it is mentioned that things are automatically declassified. This is presumably due to the length of time passed, but there is nothing in the page (unless I missed it) that says how long before something is automatically declassified. I think that would something that ought to be added. [[User:Hollth|Hollth]] ([[User talk:Hollth|talk]]) 04:26, 9 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Found it. Turns out I am just blind [[User:Hollth|Hollth]] ([[User talk:Hollth|talk]]) 04:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Classification status after unauthorized disclosure? == |
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I've been trying to find some references to this situation without much luck, but I think it would be good to add something about it to the Declassification section. [[User:Manys|Manys]] ([[User talk:Manys|talk]]) 17:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:NNSA and DOE in such situations just unclassify stuff. [[User:Valery Zapolodov|Valery Zapolodov]] ([[User talk:Valery Zapolodov|talk]]) 02:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC) |
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: DoD says it is still classified even if leaked. |
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This is the whole TS//RD-CNWDI debacle. [[User:Valery Zapolodov|Valery Zapolodov]] ([[User talk:Valery Zapolodov|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC) |
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{{re|Komorijuno}} I appreciate some of your edits of 2023-01-21T23:06:02 but not the deletion of the following: |
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[[Peter Galison|Peter Louis Galison]], a historian and Director<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/bios/galison.html |title=People – The Department of the History of Science, Harvard University |publisher=Fas.harvard.edu |date=2003-06-24 |access-date=2013-07-04 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130701170714/http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/bios/galison.html |archive-date=July 1, 2013 |df=mdy-all}}</ref> in the History of Science Dept. at Harvard University, claims that the U.S. Government produces more classified information than unclassified information.<ref>[http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/bios/docs/Removing%20Knowledge.pdf Department of the History of Science, Harvard University<!-- Bot generated title -->] {{webarchive |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140719214912/http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/bios/docs/Removing%20Knowledge.pdf |date=July 19, 2014 }}</ref> |
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This looks like whitewashing to me. I've created another sentence summarizing that citation and appended it to the lede. I hope you will find this appropriate. |
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Thanks for your contributions to our project to give [[Wikipedia:Prime objective|"every single person on the planet ... free access to the sum of all human knowledge."]] [[User:DavidMCEddy|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy|talk]]) 00:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:"Peter Louis Galison, a historian and Director in the History of Science Dept. at Harvard University, claims that the U.S. Government produces more classified information than unclassified information." |
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:This is not tangible information nor has it any historical relevance or gravitesse and serves only as a insinuation, its purely speculative and not fact based, thus requires deletion. This has nothing to do with whitewashing. [[Special:Contributions/2001:9E8:46C9:100:D14D:B9E3:7A15:A2A2|2001:9E8:46C9:100:D14D:B9E3:7A15:A2A2]] ([[User talk:2001:9E8:46C9:100:D14D:B9E3:7A15:A2A2|talk]]) 01:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC) |
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{{reflist-talk}} [[User:DavidMCEddy|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy|talk]]) 00:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Illegal to disclose == |
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“Congress has repeatedly resisted or failed to pass a law that generally outlaws disclosing classified information” [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798 wrong] <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.18.38.178|24.18.38.178]] ([[User talk:24.18.38.178#top|talk]]) 03:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Indictment == |
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I'm depressed but I wanted someone to add some details on charges being brought against Former President. [[User:MattL9|MattL9]] ([[User talk:MattL9|talk]]) 23:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Wonder if there is a j) Information relating to extraterrestrial intelligence, alien artifacts and technology. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.190.161.223|91.190.161.223]] ([[User talk:91.190.161.223#top|talk]]) 05:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Classification status after unauthorized disclosure?
[edit]I've been trying to find some references to this situation without much luck, but I think it would be good to add something about it to the Declassification section. Manys (talk) 17:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- NNSA and DOE in such situations just unclassify stuff. Valery Zapolodov (talk) 02:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- DoD says it is still classified even if leaked.
"SCP Level 0" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect SCP Level 0 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 11#SCP Level 0 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. casualdejekyll 03:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Is President designated entity under 36 CFR. Ch. 11, Sec. 1260.28?
[edit]This is the whole TS//RD-CNWDI debacle. Valery Zapolodov (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
whitewashing?
[edit]@Komorijuno: I appreciate some of your edits of 2023-01-21T23:06:02 but not the deletion of the following:
Peter Louis Galison, a historian and Director[1] in the History of Science Dept. at Harvard University, claims that the U.S. Government produces more classified information than unclassified information.[2]
This looks like whitewashing to me. I've created another sentence summarizing that citation and appended it to the lede. I hope you will find this appropriate.
Thanks for your contributions to our project to give "every single person on the planet ... free access to the sum of all human knowledge." DavidMCEddy (talk) 00:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
- "Peter Louis Galison, a historian and Director in the History of Science Dept. at Harvard University, claims that the U.S. Government produces more classified information than unclassified information."
- This is not tangible information nor has it any historical relevance or gravitesse and serves only as a insinuation, its purely speculative and not fact based, thus requires deletion. This has nothing to do with whitewashing. 2001:9E8:46C9:100:D14D:B9E3:7A15:A2A2 (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "People – The Department of the History of Science, Harvard University". Fas.harvard.edu. June 24, 2003. Archived from the original on July 1, 2013. Retrieved July 4, 2013.
- ^ Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Archived July 19, 2014, at the Wayback Machine
DavidMCEddy (talk) 00:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Indictment
[edit]I'm depressed but I wanted someone to add some details on charges being brought against Former President. MattL9 (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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