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Special numbering section

Have edited the Special Numbering section, because it implied that X and Z are only used as destination letters for trains not in the normal timetable. There can be regularly timetabled services with X as the destination letter - GNER services using Eurostar stock, for example, are numbered in the 1Xxx range because of their route restrictions. SleepyCaitlin —Preceding undated comment added 12:56, 28 November 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Current Situation

Firstly, thanks to those who have made this entry possible. I used it as a start to investigate some reporting numbers of trains local to me. This lead to me asking a question on a railway forum with contributors, some of whom are rail employees (http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2068920#post2068920). The situation nowadays is obviously more fluid and less clear-cut than once was the case. Perhaps a note in the article to this effect would help people searching for specific information? 78.148.203.123 (talk) 13:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"and since 7 December 2013, the classes have been..."

This is wrong- they must have been changed much earlier than that. When I was a Guard c. ten years ago, they were the codes then. I'll have to dig out the Rule Book! _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 13:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: The classes have changed several times. There were changes to groups 1, 3, 8 & 9 on 7 December 2013 (compare GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 8 with GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 9), and those are the classes since that date - most of them (groups 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 0) were the same prior to that. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't quite my point; but thanks for the reply Redrose64. I would look it up now, but I'm on the shunter's tea. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 19:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, to show every change since the start would add a lot of repetitive lists with small changes between each, so it is surely best to show a minimal number of versions - the current list, plus the original version for comparison. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

9Vxx

@Redrose64 and ClemRutter: So, what gives, the new Thameslinks running under this headcode?! Purely transitive or a permanent addition to the stable? —SerialNumber54129^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 19:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few years ago, the rule book (GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 8, October 2008) showed simply "Class 373 train" for class 9 trains. Beginning with Issue 9 (September 2013) it says "Class 373 train Other passenger train if specially authorised". This wording has been unchanged through to and including the current Issue 13 (March 2018). Presumably the services that you mention are specially authorised. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Class 9

Does class 9 now need to include British Rail Class 374? -- — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 11:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC) 11:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MapsMan: Maybe. Do you have a source that explicitly states as such? The present source, "Rule Book Module TW1 Preparation and movement of trains", issue 12, names only class 373. See also the section immediately above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Special numbering section ==
 Have edited the Special Numbering section, because it implied that X and Z are only used as destination letters for trains not in the normal timetable.  There can be regularly timetabled services with X as the destination letter - GNER services using Eurostar stock, for example, are numbered in the 1Xxx range because of their route restrictions. [[User:SleepyCaitlin|SleepyCaitlin]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:56, 28 November 2004 (UTC)</small>
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 == "and since 7 December 2013, the classes have been..." ==
-This is wrong- they must have been changed much earlier than that. When I was a Guard ''c.'' ten years ago, they were the codes then. I'll have to dig out the [[Rule Book]]!  [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sub>'''<font color="green">Fortuna<font color="green"></font></font>'''</sub>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<font color="red">Imperatrix Mundi</font>]]'''''</sup> 13:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
+This is wrong- they must have been changed much earlier than that. When I was a Guard ''c.'' ten years ago, they were the codes then. I'll have to dig out the [[Rule Book]]!  [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sub style="color:green;">'''Fortuna'''</sub>]] '''''[[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi</sup>]]''''' 13:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 :{{replyto|Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi}} The classes have changed several times. There were changes to groups 1, 3, 8 & 9 on 7 December 2013 (compare [http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/TW%20-%20Train%20Working/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%208.pdf GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 8] with [http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/TW%20-%20Train%20Working/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%209.pdf GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 9]), and those are the classes since that date - most of them (groups 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 0) were the same prior to that. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
-::That wasn't quite my point; but thanks for the reply [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]]. I would look it up now, but I'm on the shunter's tea.  [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sub>'''<font color="green">Fortuna<font color="green"></font></font>'''</sub>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<font color="red">Imperatrix Mundi</font>]]'''''</sup> 19:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
+::That wasn't quite my point; but thanks for the reply [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]]. I would look it up now, but I'm on the shunter's tea.  [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sub style="color:green;">'''Fortuna'''</sub>]] '''''[[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi</sup>]]''''' 19:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 :::The thing is, to show every change since the start would add a lot of repetitive lists with small changes between each, so it is surely best to show a minimal number of versions - the current list, plus the original version for comparison. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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 {{reply|Redrose64|ClemRutter}} So, what gives, the new Thameslinks running under this headcode?! Purely transitive or a permanent addition to the stable? [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:dark blue">'''—SerialNumber54129'''</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:red">''' paranoia /'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|'''cheap sh*t room''']]</sup> 19:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 :A few years ago, the rule book ([https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%208.pdf GE/RT8000/TW1 Issue 8], October 2008) showed simply "Class 373 train" for class 9 trains. Beginning with [https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%209.pdf Issue 9] (September 2013) it says "Class 373 train Other passenger train if specially authorised". This wording has been unchanged through to and including the current [https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%2013.pdf Issue 13] (March 2018). Presumably the services that you mention are specially authorised. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
+== Class 9 ==
+Does class 9 now need to include [[British Rail Class 374]]? --&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:MapsMan|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">MapsMan</span>]]&nbsp;<small>[&nbsp;[[User_talk:MapsMan|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/MapsMan|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]]&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;—&nbsp;<em style="font-size:10px;">11:39,&nbsp;4&nbsp;October&nbsp;2018&nbsp;(UTC)</em> 11:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
+:{{replyto|MapsMan}} Maybe. Do you have a source that explicitly states as such? The present source, [https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/GERT8000-TW1%20Iss%2012.pdf  "Rule Book Module TW1 Preparation and movement of trains"], issue 12, names only class 373. See also the section immediately above. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)