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== Name of the city == |
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:::possibly because with the accent would be closer in French to "bar-eh" with "bar" like a place you go to get a drink while doing ballet, rather than "bare". But of course the French have no control over how people actually say it.[[Special:Contributions/142.163.195.48|142.163.195.48]] ([[User talk:142.163.195.48|talk]]) 00:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC) |
:::possibly because with the accent would be closer in French to "bar-eh" with "bar" like a place you go to get a drink while doing ballet, rather than "bare". But of course the French have no control over how people actually say it.[[Special:Contributions/142.163.195.48|142.163.195.48]] ([[User talk:142.163.195.48|talk]]) 00:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC) |
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It may also be important to note that local residents and those who reside in the suburbs that make up the Northeast Metropolis also probounce the City of Wilkes Barre as 'Wilkes Bear." To mention my credibility to this, I was born in Wilkes Barre General Hospital in 1983 and grew up in Hunlock Creek (That's just outside of "Nannycoke"). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB|2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB]] ([[User talk:2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB#top|talk]]) 17:02, 26 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
It may also be important to note that local residents and those who reside in the suburbs that make up the Northeast Metropolis also probounce the City of Wilkes Barre as 'Wilkes Bear." To mention my credibility to this, I was born in Wilkes Barre General Hospital in 1983 and grew up in Hunlock Creek (That's just outside of "Nannycoke"). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB|2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB]] ([[User talk:2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB#top|talk]]) 17:02, 26 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Neighborhoods section: Central City == |
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''This is where it all started. The area now referred to as "Downtown", between South and North Streets, and bordered by River Street and Wilkes-Barre Boulevard to the West and East respectively is the original foundation of Wilkes-Barre, the 16 blocks claimed by the Connecticut settlers who founded the city. Throughout the city's history, the area has remained a hub for all of Luzerne County. During the city's boom, this small area was home to the headquarters of more than 100 national corporations. Today, it still houses the NEPA Headquarters for Verizon, Citizen's Bank, Blue Cross, PNC Bank, Luzerne National Bank, Guard Insurance, and a number of other companies. Even with all these businesses most of Wilkes Barre's main streets are lined with newer empty store fronts and closed businesses. It is claimed an estimated 40,000 people live and/or work in Downtown Wilkes-Barre every day, but there is no verification of this claim. Most who live in the down town area would scoff at this claim. Most of down town Wilkes Barre shows signs of a city in decline. <ref>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/pa-train-station</ref>'' |
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I edited this down considerably to a more 'encyclopedic' paragraph. I checked the reference cited, but it is a blog article that concerns the preservation of the old Wilkes-Barre Train Station. Cheers. [[User:SaturnCat|SaturnCat]] ([[User talk:SaturnCat|talk]]) 03:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== History and Population == |
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The page says in the 19th century history section: "Hundreds of thousands of immigrants flocked to the city" after the discovery of anthracite. Yet the population statistics show the city with a population ranging from 1225 in 1810 to 41,108 in 2013, with a peak of 86,626 in 1930. Where did the other hundreds of thousands go? It's possible that every year the population replaced a full complement of emigrants with a new complement of immigrants. Or maybe every decade. Or perhaps the reference is to an entity larger than the city. On the face of it, though, the assertion of "hundreds of thousands of immigrants" to Wilkes-Barre seems fanciful. [[User:MaxwellPerkins|MaxwellPerkins]] ([[User talk:MaxwellPerkins|talk]]) 04:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== Notable People == |
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I made a pair of revisions to the "notable people" section, both of which were reverted. I felt that the entry for "Joe Palooka" - a fictional character - should be merged with that for its creator, Ham Fisher. The article on Joe Palooka actually says nothing about the character being from Wilkes-Barre, only that Fisher was. Similarly with Mr. Peanut - it's an advertising mascot, not a person. He was created by someone from Wilkes-Barre, but to say that the ''character'' is a notable resident of the city is sketchy. That's like saying that Eleanor Rigby is a notable resident of Liverpool. [[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] ([[User talk:PurpleChez|talk]]) 13:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:Actually, the entry for Mr. Peanut was deleted altogether, which is probably for the best. But "Joe Palooka" should be merged with its creator, or at least given some explanatory text [[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] ([[User talk:PurpleChez|talk]]) 13:22, 27 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::Per [[WP:USCITY|guidelines]], all we should be including is the Wikilink to the name, the person's primary notability and the person's connection to the city. (Born, raised, former resident, current resident). Any other details should be left to the wikilinked article. This article is about a place, not people. [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 17:52, 27 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the clarification. But I still question Joe Palooka's inclusion in this list...unless it can be documented that the character, and not just its creator, was "from" Wilkes-Barre. [[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] ([[User talk:PurpleChez|talk]]) 17:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC) |
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::::Very sorry...I thought I'd deleted good old Joe when I deleted Mr. Nut. Done now. And in my opinion, he would never belong under notable people. A fictional character is not a people. If you can find sources that illustrate his tie to the city, especially if those sources discuss how the author's characterization of him was drawn from the local environment, that would make a fine addition to the "In popular culture" section. [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 19:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::No need for 'sorry'!!! It's a pleasure working with ya!!!! [[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] ([[User talk:PurpleChez|talk]]) 19:05, 2 August 2017 (UTC) |
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== Delete "Ethnic Groups"? == |
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Can the Ethnic Groups section be deleted? It has no sources and it's been repeatedly changed since it was first added by an anonymous user; back then it showed Italians as the largest group, now they've disappeared and African-Americans are the largest group. [[User:Obiara|Obiara]] ([[User talk:Obiara|talk]]) 14:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC) |
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:Now an anonymous user has changed some numbers again but there's still no source. [[User:Obiara|Obiara]] ([[User talk:Obiara|talk]]) 22:26, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
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::I'm going to delete this section today. It's been repeatedly adjusted by anonymous editors and there's still no source; it's just providing temptation for people to mess with this article. [[User:Obiara|Obiara]] ([[User talk:Obiara|talk]]) 16:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== under religion - no Orthodox Christians? == |
== under religion - no Orthodox Christians? == |
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Name of the city
[edit]According to the John Wilkes article, "The city of Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania was named for John Wilkes and Isaac Barré." There is no source in that article, so I hesitate to include it here, but some editor may be able to create an inline citation and add the fact here, probably in the lede. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I've come on here at least 10 times to ad the nicknames Coal City, The W-B, The Dirty W-B, & The 570, but people continue to change it. I highly doubt the people changing it have ever lived here. This is not the type of thing that can be cited. You would have to come here & talk to locals like me for this information, the same goes for the persistent "Diamond City" nickname. All of these nicknames are just as commonly used as the former. STOP DELETING IT!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.97.158.129 (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- [citation needed] would better explain it. You actually have to cite something and not just tell it because you know it. ~ AC5230 talk 00:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Pronunciation
[edit]I've resided in Wilkes-Barre for the better of 50 years. The name is pronounced as "wilks-barry". This is how it is pronounced on all area television and radio stations; this is the language being used in the Luzerne County courthouse, the county seat. All these attempts at change are nothing more than local colloquialisms. If you don't know what that means, look it up. trezjr (talk) 22:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- My father's mother grew up there and she, and everyone she knew, said it like "Wilks-Bar," the latter as in a place you go for a drink. As is discussed further up this very talk page, the fact that people who live there pronounce it multiple ways means that it's fair for this article to include something about there being multiple pronunciations (although at the moment it doesn't and I don't care enough to change it). "Barry" is just plain wrong, but since it's often pronounced that way, it would be fair to include it in this article. The purpose of a source like Wikipedia is not to try to dictate what is or is not correct. It's to report reality, and in this case the reality is that people can't agree on how to pronounce the name. 1995hoo (talk) 17:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- Why's it "just plain wrong" then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4170:2B30:A8D1:6FBC:7A00:DBC5 (talk) 02:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- possibly because with the accent would be closer in French to "bar-eh" with "bar" like a place you go to get a drink while doing ballet, rather than "bare". But of course the French have no control over how people actually say it.142.163.195.48 (talk) 00:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Why's it "just plain wrong" then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4170:2B30:A8D1:6FBC:7A00:DBC5 (talk) 02:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
It may also be important to note that local residents and those who reside in the suburbs that make up the Northeast Metropolis also probounce the City of Wilkes Barre as 'Wilkes Bear." To mention my credibility to this, I was born in Wilkes Barre General Hospital in 1983 and grew up in Hunlock Creek (That's just outside of "Nannycoke"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BB (talk) 17:02, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
under religion - no Orthodox Christians?
[edit]all those eastern Europeans - probably more Orthodox than Mormons. --142.163.195.48 (talk) 01:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
link should point to Metro not to Urban
[edit]Population (2020)
• City
44,328
• Density
6,473.13/sq mi (2,499.19/km2)
• Urban
401,884 (US: 100th)
• Metro
562,037
The hyperlink next to Urban (US:takes the user to Metro, not Urban.
Thus link US: 100th points to Metro.
I think the link should be moved to Metro not to Urban where the link is now. Jdalejcik (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)