Talk:Brian Wilson (baseball)

Interesting article that can be added

SPRING TRAINING Blarney Stone kiss energizes Brian WilsonUser:calbear22 (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro Music?

Could someone add information on the music Brian enters the game to (if he is accompanied by music)? In fact, that seems like something that should be standard on all closer's pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.255.115 (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I realize this is an old comment, but the intro music of closers, or any pitcher, is highly irrelevant. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know, it's Jump Around by House of Pain. http://mlb.mlb.com/sf/fan_forum/walkup.jsp 99.37.224.239 (talk) 02:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

What is the arm movements Wilson does after closing a win?

68.120.198.193 (talk) 05:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

On Jay Leno, he said it is an acknowledgement to both his God and his father, who died when he was a teenager, I believe. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 20:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace confusion

Under the main header, Wilson's birthplace is listed as "Londonderry, NH" (supported by yahoo sports) whereas the info bar on the right of the column cites "Winchester, MA" (as supported by mlb.com). Regards. Mercjfr (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

The first sentence of the Early Life section seems kind of weird now (perhaps a sloppy correction of the error pointed out by Mercjfr). It currently (July 12, 2011) reads "Wilson, though born in Londonderry, New Hampshire, was raised in Londonderry, New Hampshire." While this may, in fact, be very true, the phrasing is odd, and I wasn't sure if there was a reason behind it. Is it considered unusual to be raised in the same place in which one is born? DrNietzsche (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)DrNietzsche

He was most likely born at Winchester Hospital, and raised in Londonderry from birth. It would make more sense to say he was born in Londonderry to keep it simple though. I was born at Winchester hospital, lived in Nashua, later moving to Londonderry when I was around five. I mean, technically, we were both BORN in Winchester but it's not like it was enough time to say you are from there. If there is a hometown code, which I don't think there is, that would make things much easier. --RobotMagician (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

"The Machine"

It seems like a lot of space is devoted to "The Machine" in this article. Not sure if this is really warranted. But ok. However, the reference that The Machine is a character in the "S&M" and "Snuff" film 8mm is a) incorrect and b) defamatory. 8mm is a major Hollywood movie starring Nicolas Cage, not an S&M and certainly not a "snuff" film. It deals with its subject matter in a serious and thoughtful manner; it is not an exploitation film. The plot of 8mm does deal with characters who themselves are engaged in the demi-monde of nuff films, and there is a character known as "Machine". But the article as written suggests that Wilson is referencing the actual world of snuff films, and finding them funny. And that is defamatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.240.151 (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point. It's a movie about S&M, not an S&M movie itself. Seems more defamatory to the film instead of to Wilson, but it does imply that he watches that sort of film. Anyway, easy enough to fix—I'll do it. Fnordware (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Is any reference to "the Machine" even necessary? I do not think "the Machine" is notabile enough for mention on Wikipedia. Even if it is, I think there may be problems with the references for that section (two of them are YouTube links). Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 19:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

At this point the section could probably be converted to a single paragraph. It was a big part of his public persona in 2010 and I think deserves mention as much as anything else in the Personality section, but Wilson has not kept the whole Machine thing up. It's still appropriate to have, it's just undue weight in its present form. Fnordware (talk) 06:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality - POV

JuTMSY4, you flagged the article for neutrality on June 13. Care to elaborate? Fnordware (talk) 17:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Since you haven't responded, I'm going to take the flag off. Please discuss if you still think there are NPOV issues. Fnordware (talk) 15:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

The entire scouting report section needs to be fixed because someone vandalized it sometime in the past. It is nothing really major, but many of the particulars have been changed that were added by the original writer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntjp99 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

World Series in infbox

Wilson was not on the postseason roster for the 2012 World Series. You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#WS_champion_in_infobox to determine if World Series should be listed in a player's infobox if he was not on the team's postseason roster.—Bagumba (talk) 02:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It blows my mind that a discussion was closed preventing the inclusion of the 2012 World Series championship. Said source [1] reads that Wilson appeared in two games in the World Series before reinjuring himself. Also, you do not have to be on the 40-man playoff roster to be World champion. You just have to be on the team. Originally he wasn't on the roster because he was hurt, but he still got his team to where it was, so that doesn't count for something? There are 162 games; can't expect to be healthy all year through. How many fewer "champions" we would have following this logic? Not only, that but it is incorrect. Come on guys. Savvyjack23 (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

You misread the article.. He played in only two games all season, none in the World Series. Spanneraol (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Brian Wilson (baseball)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Brian Wilson (baseball)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "MLB":

• From Guillermo Mota: "Guillermo Mota". MLB.com. Major League Baseball. Retrieved April 3, 2011. (Note: Click bio for information)
• From Jonathan Sánchez: Jonathan Sanchez, MLB, retrieved 2010-11-20
• From Brad Hennessey: "Brad Hennessey Stats, Video Highlights, Photos, Bio". MLB.com. Retrieved August 2, 2012.
• From Edgar Rentería: "Edgar Renteria". MLB.com. Retrieved January 3, 2011.
• From Jeremy Affeldt: "Jeremy Affeldt". MLB. Retrieved 2010-12-14.
• From Barry Bonds: "Player Profile: Barry Bonds 25". MLB.com. 2007. Retrieved 2007-09-08.
• From Aubrey Huff: "Aubrey Huff Stats, Video Highlights, Photos, Bio". MLB.com. Retrieved November 23, 2010.
• From Ramón Ramírez (Dominican pitcher): "Ramon Ramirez Stats, Video Highlights, Photos, Bio". MLB.com. Major League Baseball. Retrieved 2012-01-31. (Note: Click bio for information)
• From Pat Burrell: "Pat Burrell Stats, Bio, Photos, Highlights". MLB.com. Major League Baseball. Retrieved May 30, 2011. (Note: Click bio for information.)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Go Phightins! (talk · contribs) 21:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I will review this article. Go Phightins! 21:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   There are numerous issues relating to prose quality. I'll get to them at the end.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   Is his height and weight really important to mention in the lead? The lead doesn't summarize the content of the article very well at all. For one, you mention that he's a free agent twice yet I see little mention of that in the article itself. Why was he non-tendered? Did the Giants no longer think he was effective? Did he have some sort of falling out? Were they still concerned with his health? The rest of this criterion is fine.

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   Please standardize the date format. I see both yyyy-mm-dd and Month Day, Year. Please choose one or the other and standardize that please.

   Why is the "work" listed as Giants.MLB.com; it should be SFGiants.com: News, I believe.

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   Good work here.

   C. No original research:

   Well, I am content to AGF for the scouting report section, but since the source corroborating his repertoire is a dead link, it'd be worth a try to look at Fangraphs.com to see if you can find replacement sources.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Right on.

   B. Focused:

   Good.

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   No peacocking or weasling that I see.

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   Good.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   Yes.

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   Seem so.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Prose suggestions coming later tonight or tomorrow. Go Phightins! 22:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Specific prose suggestions

Lead

• his third college season to his junior season
• Remove despite his injury as there is nothing in the article stating that teams don't normally select pitchers who have had TJ surgery in their lives...if they selected him in an especially high round, that may warrant a mention, but not just the sole fact that he was selected
• put a comma after 2008 ...but posted a 4.62 ERA
• No context for what a good performance in saves is in the lead, so still posted 36 saves doesn't necessarily make sense to a casual reader (I know that's impressive, but others may not)
• Link 2012 season

Early life

• Why was he raised in a different town than he was born?
• Any anecdotes of this strictness?
• change would add to added in last sentence

Amateur career

• Extreme focus on the game seems rather peacocky; what kind of focus did he show? How was he focused? Again, an anecdote would help.

Changed wording; the story about the 29 professional scouts is the anecdote. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• A coach happened to see him? How so?
• unlink starts; that's overlinking, in my opinion
• He also played for the Keene Swamp Bats of the New England Collegiate Baseball League comes out of left field. (gotta like a baseball reference in a baseball GAN) Context please.

Minor league career

• Can we get a ref in the first three sentences of that section?

Ref #8 covers the first four sentences. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• The Campbell reference seems forced. Remove it?

San Francisco Giants

2006

• • Why was Walker DFA-ed? Either explain or remove the mention entirely.
  • Clarify Giants' manager Felipe Alou said he was not getting enough playing time. Is that Wilson or Worrell?

2007

• • He competed for the closer job, and then didn't even make the roster?
  • Why did Hennessey lose the role? Ineffectiveness? Injury?

2008

• • What is significant about the reference to the game where he loaded the bases and then got a save? I'm a Phillies fan, so that's hardly unusual for me. Brad Lidge was an expert at that.
  • Remove the second "saves" in the next sentence; it's redundant.
  • Despite posting a 4.04 ERA through September 6, Wilson converted 37 of 40 save opportunites; however, he posted a 9.56 ERA in his final seven games of the year while converting just four out of seven opportunities. Can we split this into two separate, though complex sentences. It's kind of long and rather ambiguous (I had to read it thrice before I could figure out what it said)

2009

• • That's a lot of content about one game. Who said it was the highlight of the season? The source provided is from the day of the event, so it doesn't represent an end of the year review that could, I suppose, appoint it the highlight of the season.

2010

• • Perhaps foreshadow a little with that quote - show that it's going to come up later.
  • I'll stipulate the deal on Matsui is noteworthy, but the next one seems rather forced. He got a five out save...is that really such a huge deal? Mariano Rivera...

If it was just five outs, it would not have been notable. However, the bases were loaded when Wilson entered the game; if he had walked just one hitter, the game would have been tied. This was not just an average save. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• • He recorded 22 saves in his first 24 chances and was named to the All-Star Game; he threw a perfect eighth inning in the contest in a 3–1 victory over the AL to He recorded 22 saves in his first 24 chances and was named to the All-Star Game in which he threw a scoreless eighth inning in the contest, a 3-1 victory over the AL
  • Make that the final day of the regular season; important to note since there's a lot of info. on the post season.
  • Perhaps this is because Chooch is my favorite player, but I don't see why it's important to note his DP. Remember, we are supposed to use summary style in these kinds of articles.

I think it is important to note his double play because A: Carlos Ruiz is a really good hitter (as you well know), and B: it was a very tight situation. If Ruiz had had a hit, the game would have been tied (at least). Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

2011

• • Link oblique muscle.
  • ...attacking a Gatorade cooler with a baseball bat - seems like an unnecessary euphemism to me. Just say he took out his frustrations on a Gatorade cooler
  • He converted 36 of 41 save opportunities; he tied with Juan Carlos Oviedo for eighth in the league in saves. to He converted 36 of his 41 save opportunities which tied Juan Carlos Oviedo for eighth in the league. Also, clarify which league: NL or MLB?

2012

• • Absolutely no context for With the Giants leading the Colorado Rockies 4–1 entering the bottom of the ninth inning on April 12, 2012, Wilson made his second appearance of the season to get the save for the Giants. He walked in a run to make it 4–2, but he retired Marco Scutaro with the bases loaded to earn the save. Some introduction is necessary.
  • Split the sentence about his confidence and subsequent non-tendering. Why was he non-tendered?

Scouting report

• A source is needed now that we have a deadlink. I would recommend checking Fangraphs for information of that nature.
• Good quote there. That one makes sense.

Personality

• Perhaps flamboyant would be a better term than unique, which seems a little weaslish.
• Not quite sure as to the derivation of the order of what's in the section, but the content itself is well-written.

I'm placing this on hold for one week. Go Phightins! 00:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Changes addressed; thanks for the review! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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