Talk:Clan McDuck

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Why the "The"? Why isn't it just "Clan McDuck"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoe (talk • contribs) 22:46, 6 July 2002 (UTC)

Now moved. Angela. 19:57, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Problem: Family Tree

The Family tree states that Scrooge is dead in 1967, but however, Carl Barks stated in 1997 that Scrooge was alive and well. Please explain this error... JP 16:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

See image of Scrooge's grave stone at reference 10 The Lives and Times in Duckburg, Chapter IX (1967-) The dawn of a new age. 209.169.85.18 (talk) 01:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Hortense

I think Hortense went to Africa to help the African people and to undo the harm Scrooge had done to some Africans. Das Baz, aka Erudil 23:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The two Scrooge McDucks

According to the Italian wiki, Scrooge's twin half-brother in Paperino e l'uomo del West (Donald and the Man from the West) is named Manibuche, which is the Italian name for Pothole McDuck.

I would just fix it, but then we'd have two Pothole McDucks, which really wouldn't help. And maybe there is an English translation, and it does claim that the twin McDucks are both named Scrooge. But being named after an uncle makes more sense than having the same name as your half brother.

(And, yes, a twin half brother makes sense--two eggs from the same mother can be fertilized by two different fathers. It's rare, but it happens.)

— trlkly 10:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Ludwig and Matilda

Don Rosa said Ludwig Von Drake must have married Matilda because that is the only way he could be Donald's uncle. If so, the marriage must have ended in divorce. Professor Von Drake being an absent-minded know-it-all, Matilda got sick and tired of him. When we meet Matilda, she is Matilda McDuck, not Matilda Von Drake (as she would be if still married, or widowed). Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Fergus McDuck's age

If Fergus McDuck was born in 1835 and died in 1902, then he was 67 (or 66), not 72 as stated in the article. Is this inconsistency found in the comics? Koro Neil (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

In his private notes, Don Rosa gave provisional birth and death dates for his characters, noting that he could change them at any time: the birth date for Fergus was 1830. In his story The Old Castle's Other Secret or A Letter from Home he showed 1835 as his birth date, and this should be regarded as the official birth date. --Newblackwhite (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

List order for Modern McDucks (3rd generation)

Why is William Van Horn's Rumpus McFowl at the top of this list before Scrooge McDuck himself? Rumpus is not even a McDuck and is a much lesser-known character. Shouldn't he be farther down this list?

Also, why does a non-canonical character such as Gideon McDuck (Scrooge's brother in a number of Italian stories) that contradicts the original duck universe (wherein Scrooge is the last of the Clan McDuck), have priority over Scrooge's canonical sisters (Hortense and Matilda) who are listed after Gideon?

As this is an English-language Wiki site, I would think that the original canonical characters would have to be listed first as a matter-of-fact. The only justification I can think of that someone might use to say otherwise is Rumpus being older than Scrooge (not sure if that's the case) and Gideon older than Scrooge's sisters, but if something like this can be done to justify confusing the historical, canonical order, then I'd suggest a separate sub-category entirely for listing non-canonical or lesser-known characters.

Anyone care to chip in on this? I think it strange that this is even an issue, as an encyclopedic approach would take the historical and canonical priorities into consideration. I tried to brush this up and correctly reprioritize the list, but it was reverted. 72.220.73.191 (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, not the American Wikipedia. The article should cover all notable members of the Clan McDuck regardless of where they were invented. As Rumpus McFowl is Scrooge McDuck's cousin, I think he belongs to the Clan McDuck. JIP | Talk 11:01, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

To further clarify, I wasn't saying that Rumpus and Gideon shouldn't be in the article. What I was wondering was how a minor character like Rumpus could be listed before Scrooge McDuck, who is the reason that there is even a Clan McDuck article in existence in the first place (Besides, Rumpus is a 'McFowl', not a McDuck). And also, why Gideon is before Matilda and Hortense, who are part of the original Carl Barks canon from Barks' duck family tree and featured extensively by Don Rosa in his Eisner award-winning series, The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.

In the original Barks universe (and Rosa stories), Scrooge is the only male member of his generation of the clan, or as the Rosa story is titled, The Last of the Clan McDuck. At very least, the order of names in the 'Modern McDucks (3rd generation)' section needs to be corrected, but really, the non-canonical, alternate-universe characters such as Rumpus and Gideon could be listed in a separate sub-category for alternate-universe characters.

I was sent a notification that my changes were not considered "helpful", yet the order of names here makes no sense. Could someone please explain the justification for it, if they're going to continue reverting this?

And so, I'm not saying that the article has to have an American slant because of being an English-language article, and I'm not saying that Rumpus and Gideon don't have a place in the article, it's just that:

1. The original characters happen to be from the English-language American comics.

2. The original characters happen to be, by far, the most widely known internationally.

Thus there's a matter of priority in:

1. The order of listing

2. Secondarily, making sure there is not undue weight in the amount of info and attention given to alternate universe characters that are not as well-known

What I will try to do is simply correct the listing order as suggested, without any other changes. If anyone wants to revert this, can they please first discuss their logic for doing so on this talk page? Thanks! :)

As a side note, characters that are not as well-known outside of Italy, from what Rosa calls the "Italian duck universe" (see wiki article: Donald Duck universe), could have more extensive info about them on the Italian Wikipedia site (it.wikipedia.org). Perhaps we can even provide in-house links to those sites that can then be translated for those wishing to learn more thoroughly about these characters. In the past, I've listed numerous Italian Disney comics creators on the list of 'Notable artists and writers' on the Disney comics article, as well as the characters they are known in Italy for creating. I tried to create a more extensive list of specifically Italian Disney comics creators that could link to Italian articles and itself be linked to the Disney comics article, but it wasn't approved (Draft:List of Italian Disney comics creators). And so to be clear, I'm not pushing an American point-of-view, but simply trying to keep the articles accurate and encyclopedic.

The Disney comics article covers the worldwide phenomenon of Disney comics by country, starting with the United States of America, because that is where Disney started. The English-language comics also naturally have priority in that article, as far as the amount of detailed information that is included in the article. The Clan McDuck article tends to follow this same sort of order. Barks created Scrooge McDuck and the Clan McDuck. Rosa is the foremost historian of the clan after Barks. Both men created their comics in the English language in America. Barks' comics outsold all other publications in the US in their heyday (not just all other comic books). Barks and Rosa are the most well-known, reprinted and anthologized Disney comics creators internationally. Rosa worked with Barks' characters, stories, timeline and family tree. The Italian artists work in a different language and country, use a drastically different story and art style (influenced by the Marcinelle School) for a digest format (Donald Duck pocket books) and have a totally different duck universe that contradicts the original comics (although these artists themselves highly regard the original Barks classics).

And so, I think that non-canonical/alternate universe and other less-known characters should definitely be mentioned, but in a secondary manner. Really, there should be a sub-category for these characters, but all I'm trying to do is straighten out the existing list so that it doesn't seem so absurd.