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Slanted toward Bears

This is a great page. But it is clearly slanted towards the Chicago Bears. It is not very objective. For starters, in every tie game, the phrase "Chicago Bears" is shown under the winners heading, while the phrase "Green Bay Packers" is under the heading of loser. That's hardly objective.

There should also be more Packer memorable Packer victories listed. In time, I'll be happy to list some.

But the biggest error is the fact that in that 1971 game, the Packers won, not the Bears. This is simple history, and can easily be verified anywhere.

Removing the Ditka quote is also biased. Ditka never disagreed with the call. He only disagreed with the length of time it took to make it. Again, this is a fact that should be included.

The tidbit about adding in the results of pre-season games is hardly slanted toward the Bears-- much the opposite in fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.108.139.78 (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable moments and games: Criteria

Around Wiki - the term "Notable" is very subjective. In this case, there needs to be some set criteria in determining notoriety. KyuuA4 20:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that some references would be desirable. Particularly if the references are from several years after the notable game took place. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

F.I.B.

I commented added the nickname F.I.B. for Bears fans to the namecalling section. As you may know, this nickname is to innapropriate to explain what each letter means. I'm leaving this desicion to all of you whether you want to explain what it means or delete the entire mention of it, it's fine with me. Libertyville | Talk 21:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hall of Fame list

This list is way too long. Noting the number of Hall of Famers for each team, with proper references would be good, and perhaps links to the appropriate section on each article. Otherwise, it is gaudy and gratuitous, IMO. LonelyBeacon (talk) 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is NO REASON to include a list of each teams' hall of famers here. This article is about the rivalry, not particular achievements about each team. View each team's own article to see their respective hall of famers. I've reverted this insertion (again). --ZimZalaBim ^talk 20:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I could see noting how many Hall of Famers each team had as I suspect part of the rivalry is a comparison of the teams accomplishments. But I completely agree that there is no need for this list. on this article. If a consensus cannot be easily achieved here, we may need to requestio comment more formally. LonelyBeacon (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

update team records

per ^[1] Chicago Bears are 702-515-42 and Packers are 668-528-36 ^[2] I will gladly update if for you guys. (UTC)

References

Other Events

Certain rivalry articles have notable events outside the game itself that illustrate the intensity of the debate. I think those who contribute to this article would want to highlight some of those. A couple of examples are:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6056888 http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6049090

Think about it. Arnabdas (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This page is a perfect example for Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. The article should be deleted.--151.67.199.107 (talk) 09:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still doesn't present a good argument for deletion. Zappa O Mati 20:59, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttp://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.aspx?franchise_id=6

[2] ttp://www.profootballhof.com/history/team/green-bay-packers/

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 I commented added the nickname F.I.B. for Bears fans to the namecalling section. As you may know, this nickname is to innapropriate to explain what each letter means. I'm leaving this desicion to all of you whether you want to explain what it means or delete the entire mention of it, it's fine with me. [[User:Libertyville|Libertyville]] | [[User talk:Libertyville|Talk]] 21:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Hall of Fame list==
 This list is ''way'' too long.  Noting the number of Hall of Famers for each team, with proper references would be good, and perhaps links to the appropriate section on each article.  Otherwise, it is gaudy and gratuitous, IMO. [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
-:There is NO REASON to include a list of each teams' hall of famers here. This article is about the rivalry, not particular achievements about each team. View each team's own article to see their respective hall of famers. I've reverted this insertion (again). --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<font color="black">Zim</font><font color="darkgreen">'''Zala'''</font><font color="black">Bim</font>]] <sup><font color="black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</font></sup> 20:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
+:There is NO REASON to include a list of each teams' hall of famers here. This article is about the rivalry, not particular achievements about each team. View each team's own article to see their respective hall of famers. I've reverted this insertion (again). --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black;">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen;">Zala</b><span style="color:black;">Bim</span>]] [[User talk:ZimZalaBim|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 20:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 ::I could see noting how many Hall of Famers each team had as I suspect part of the rivalry is a comparison of the teams accomplishments.  But I completely agree that there is no need for this list. on this article. If a consensus cannot be easily achieved here, we may need to requestio comment more formally. [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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 per <ref>http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.aspx?franchise_id=6</ref> Chicago Bears are 702-515-42 and Packers are 668-528-36 <ref>http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team/green-bay-packers/</ref>  I will gladly update if for you guys. (UTC)
+{{reflist-talk}}
+== Other Events ==
+Certain rivalry articles have notable events outside the game itself that illustrate the intensity of the debate. I think those who contribute to this article would want to highlight some of those. A couple of examples are:
+http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6056888
+http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6049090
+Think about it. [[User:Arnabdas|Arnabdas]] ([[User talk:Arnabdas|talk]]) 15:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+This page is a perfect example for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias]]. The article should be deleted.--[[Special:Contributions/151.67.199.107|151.67.199.107]] ([[User talk:151.67.199.107|talk]]) 09:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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