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Details of the modulation technique (frequencies, etc.) would be useful here.

I know the Bell 202 supported several different operating modes, including an asymmetrical one where upstream data was sent at (I think) 75 bps. Unfortunately, I haven't found a reliable source for this information.

Simon 15:44, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also, should this article be included in the Telecommunications history category, like Bell 103 modem?

Simon 15:23, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

APRS acronym

According to the creator of APRS, APRS stands for Automatic Packet Reporting System and not Automatic Postion Reporting System, see Bob Bruninga, WB4APR 's web site.

Mikelachaine (talk) 15:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AFSK acronym

Surely AFSK would properly stand for "Amplitude Frequency Shift Keying", not "Audio Frequency Shift Keying". If it is "Audio ...", then this should be well noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.50.47 (talk) 02:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is "Amplitude Frequency Shift Keying"? Do any references explain that term? If it exists, it should at least be mentioned in the digital modulation article. (However, I'm fairly sure all modems transmitting over voice channels, such as this one, actually use audio frequencies). --DavidCary (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incongruencies on this article

In North America (and perhaps elsewhere) <--- perhaps? where?

The modified Bell 202 AFSK modulation, AX.25, <--- AX.25 is a data link layer protocol, and has nothing to do with FSK modulation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.170.101.99 (talk) 20:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

full duplex

I removed

and at a rate of 1800 bits per second full duplex

from the lede since Bell 202 is half-duplex I'm quite sure. An 1800 bps full duplex modem with that sort of modulation would not have been possible on a phone line, at least with technology of the era. I believe the scheme could do 1800 bps half duplex in principle, but was usually used at 1200. There was (I think) a reverse channel that someone might have confused with full duplex, but it was at very low speed, like 5 bps. The idea was you could use it to send a "break" signal to tell the other end to stop sending and switch to receive mode. I'm sure the specs for this are still around.

AX.25 uses the same audio frequencies as Bell 202 but in other regards is completely different (signalling, frame formats etc).

69.228.171.139 (talk) 19:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Modulation

Well, which is it? AFSK or DPSK? It's certainly not both, and I'm also quite certain that the Bell 202 was FSK, not PSK. The description of frequencies implies that it's AFSK, since DPSK relies on phase shifts in the signal, not frequency.

Plaidomatic (talk) 21:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree -- the references in this article may briefly mention DPSK, but they all seem to agree that the Bell 202 used audio frequency-shift keying (AFSK). --DavidCary (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 Surely AFSK would properly stand for "Amplitude Frequency Shift Keying", not "Audio Frequency Shift Keying". If it is "Audio ...", then this should be well noted.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/203.184.50.47|203.184.50.47]] ([[User talk:203.184.50.47|talk]]) 02:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+: What is "Amplitude Frequency Shift Keying"? Do any references explain that term? If it exists, it should at least be mentioned in the [[digital modulation]] article. (However, I'm fairly sure all modems transmitting over voice channels, such as this one, actually use audio frequencies). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 == Incongruencies on this article ==
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 In North America (and perhaps elsewhere) <--- perhaps? where?
-The modified Bell 202 AFSK modulation, AX.25, <--- AX.25 is a data link layer protocol, and has nothing to do with FSK modulation
+The modified Bell 202 AFSK modulation, AX.25, <--- AX.25 is a data link layer protocol, and has nothing to do with FSK modulation  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.170.101.99|212.170.101.99]] ([[User talk:212.170.101.99|talk]]) 20:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== full duplex ==
+I removed
+:and at a rate of 1800 bits per second [[Duplex (telecommunications)#Full-duplex|full duplex]]
+from the lede since Bell 202 is half-duplex I'm quite sure.  An 1800 bps full duplex modem with that sort of modulation would not have been possible on a phone line, at least with technology of the era.  I believe the scheme could do 1800 bps half duplex in principle, but was usually used at 1200.  There was (I think) a reverse channel that someone might have confused with full duplex, but it was at very low speed, like 5 bps.  The idea was you could use it to send a "break" signal to tell the other end to stop sending and switch to receive mode.  I'm sure the specs for this are still around.
+AX.25 uses the same audio frequencies as Bell 202 but in other regards is completely different (signalling, frame formats etc).
+[[Special:Contributions/69.228.171.139|69.228.171.139]] ([[User talk:69.228.171.139|talk]]) 19:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
+== Modulation ==
+Well, which is it? AFSK or DPSK? It's certainly not both, and I'm also quite certain that the Bell 202 was FSK, not PSK. The description of frequencies implies that it's AFSK, since DPSK relies on phase shifts in the signal, not frequency.
+[[User:Plaidomatic|Plaidomatic]] ([[User talk:Plaidomatic|talk]]) 21:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
+: I agree -- the references in this article may briefly mention DPSK, but they all seem to agree that the Bell 202 used [[audio frequency-shift keying]] (AFSK). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)