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Status

Again, what is the exact status? My understanding is that "town" has no technical meaning in PA. Is this just an unincorporated community? john k 20:02, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My understanding is that it is a "First Class Township" operating under a "Home Rule Charter". Clarkbhm 15:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was move. —Nightst a llion (?) 09:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mount vs. Mt.

The home rule charter for the city reads "The name of this home rule municipal corporation, hereinafter referred to as the 'Municipality,' shall be 'Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania.'" This is clearly different then the Mount Lebanon used throughout the article. If there are no objections, I'll make corrections throughout the entire article to fix it... Clarkbhm 03:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll be. I learn something new every day -- the Muni government definitely uses "Mt." exclusively, never "Mount". People still call the geographic location "Mount," but the government should definitely only be referred to with the abbreviation. I wonder why they did that. I'll have to check & see if North Versailles, Pennsylvania is really "N Versialles" like it says on all the maps. :) --M @r ē ino 06:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There really is no controversy here. If the official name of the town in Mt. Lebanon and the town is never referred to as Mount Lebanon, the article should be moved. joturner 19:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a misrepresentation, JoTurner. The town is OFTEN referred to as Mount Lebanon (references in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette). The town government is the only organization that consistently uses only the abbreviation for "Mount". --M @r ē ino 20:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The government of Mt. Lebanon Township, the Mt. Lebanon School District, the Mt. Lebanon library, Mt. Lebanon Fire Department, and Allegheny County all refer to Mt. Lebanon and not Mount Lebanon. Even the aformentioned Pittsburgh Post-Gazette link has 41 links to "Mount Lebanon" versus 12,400 links to "Mt. Lebanon". My guess is that those 41 slipped through the the Post-Gazette's editorial process, but I would think that 41 references its vastly overshadowed by the 12,400 references in the same paper. Clarkbhm 03:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look, Clark, I agree with you that the government refers to the town as "Mt.", and I agree that the Post-Gazette prefers "Mt." but it's not correct that the "town is never referred to as Mount Lebanon". The abbreviation is preferred, but not the only, way to refer to the town. --M @r ē ino 03:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol... I didn't mean any harm by it. I'm not the one who stated that it was never referred to as Mount Lebanon. I just wanted to show JoTurner that it was very frequently referred to as Mt. Lebanon. We're both on the same side... :-) Clarkbhm 04:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Mount Lebanon, Pennsylvania → Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania – Mount Lebanon desribes the geographical location. Mt. Lebanon is the official name of the city. The article is about the town so this should be renamed to Mt. Lebanon. A short discussion in Mount Lebanon supported this idea, but another user set up a redirect for Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania (to Mount Lebanon, Pennsylvania) before the article could be moved.

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Support, but allow editors to use both Mt and Mount in the body of the article. I set up the redirect, and I did not view doing so as a means of blocking a page move.--M @r ē ino 13:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Clarkbhm 15:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Beth El

Is Beth El congregation in Scott Township? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.219.235.164 (talk • contribs)

My understanding from this map is that it's just barely inside the northern border. I am open to considering better evidence. --M @r ē ino 16:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@user:maerino According to the county Parcel, it is scott township.^[1] Gvstaylor1 (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronunciation of "Lebanon"

As a local I know we pronounce "Lebanon" as \ˈle-bə-nən\ but I wasn't aware that it was unusual until my wife pronounced it \ˈle-bə-nän\. Is this worth noting in the article? 75.140.2.110 (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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+==Status==
 Again, what is the exact status?  My understanding is that "town" has no technical meaning in PA.  Is this just an unincorporated community? [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 20:02, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 My understanding is that it is a "First Class Township" operating under a "Home Rule Charter". [[User:Clarkbhm|Clarkbhm]] 15:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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 == Mount vs. Mt. ==
 The home rule charter for the city reads "The name of this home rule municipal corporation, hereinafter referred to as the 'Municipality,' shall be 'Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania.'" This is clearly different then the Mount Lebanon used throughout the article. If there are no objections, I'll make corrections throughout the entire article to fix it... [[User:Clarkbhm|Clarkbhm]] 03:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
-*Well, I'll be.  I learn something new every day -- the Muni government definitely uses "Mt." exclusively, never "Mount".  People still call the geographic location "Mount," but the government should definitely only be referred to with the abbreviation.  I wonder why they did that.  I'll have to check & see if [[North Versailles, Pennsylvania]] is really "N Versialles" like it says on all the maps. :) --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<font color="orange">@</font>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<font color="orange">ē</font>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 06:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
+*Well, I'll be.  I learn something new every day -- the Muni government definitely uses "Mt." exclusively, never "Mount".  People still call the geographic location "Mount," but the government should definitely only be referred to with the abbreviation.  I wonder why they did that.  I'll have to check & see if [[North Versailles, Pennsylvania]] is really "N Versialles" like it says on all the maps. :) --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">@</span>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">ē</span>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 06:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 : There really is no controversy here. If the official name of the town in Mt. Lebanon and the town is never referred to as Mount Lebanon, the article should be moved. [[User:Joturner|joturner]] 19:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
-::That's a misrepresentation, JoTurner.  The town is OFTEN referred to as Mount Lebanon ([http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Mount+Lebanon&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=post-gazette.com&as_rights=&safe=off references in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]).  The town government is the only organization that consistently uses only the abbreviation for "Mount".  --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<font color="orange">@</font>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<font color="orange">ē</font>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 20:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
+::That's a misrepresentation, JoTurner.  The town is OFTEN referred to as Mount Lebanon ([http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Mount+Lebanon&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=post-gazette.com&as_rights=&safe=off references in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]).  The town government is the only organization that consistently uses only the abbreviation for "Mount".  --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">@</span>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">ē</span>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 20:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 :::The [http://mtlebanon.org/ government of Mt. Lebanon Township], the [http://www.mtlsd.org/ Mt. Lebanon School District], the [http://mtlebanonlibrary.org/ Mt. Lebanon library],  [http://www.mtlfd.org/ Mt. Lebanon Fire Department], and [http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/economic/munis/M_1Page73.asp Allegheny County] all refer to Mt. Lebanon and not Mount Lebanon. Even the aformentioned Pittsburgh Post-Gazette link has [http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Mount+Lebanon&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=post-gazette.com&as_rights=&safe=off 41 links to "Mount Lebanon"] versus [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=+%22Mt.+Lebanon%22+site%3Apost-gazette.com&btnG=Search 12,400 links to "Mt. Lebanon"]. My guess is that those 41 slipped through the the Post-Gazette's editorial process, but I would think that 41 references its vastly overshadowed by the 12,400 references in the same paper. [[User:Clarkbhm|Clarkbhm]] 03:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
-*Look, Clark, I agree with you that the government refers to the town as "Mt.", and I agree that the Post-Gazette prefers "Mt."  but it's not correct that the "town is '''never''' referred to as Mount Lebanon".  The abbreviation is preferred, but not the only, way to refer to the town. --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<font color="orange">@</font>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<font color="orange">ē</font>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 03:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
+*Look, Clark, I agree with you that the government refers to the town as "Mt.", and I agree that the Post-Gazette prefers "Mt."  but it's not correct that the "town is '''never''' referred to as Mount Lebanon".  The abbreviation is preferred, but not the only, way to refer to the town. --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">@</span>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">ē</span>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 03:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 :lol... I didn't mean any harm by it. I'm not the one who stated that it was never referred to as Mount Lebanon. I just wanted to show JoTurner that it was very frequently referred to as Mt. Lebanon. We're both on the same side... :-) [[User:Clarkbhm|Clarkbhm]] 04:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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-*'''Support''', but allow editors to use both Mt and Mount in the body of the article. I set up the redirect, and I did not view doing so as a means of blocking a page move.--[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<font color="orange">@</font>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<font color="orange">ē</font>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 13:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
+*'''Support''', but allow editors to use both Mt and Mount in the body of the article. I set up the redirect, and I did not view doing so as a means of blocking a page move.--[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">@</span>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">ē</span>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 13:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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+==Beth El==
+Is Beth El congregation in Scott Township? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:65.219.235.164|65.219.235.164]] ([[User talk:65.219.235.164|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/65.219.235.164|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+*My understanding from [http://mtlebanon.org/index.asp?NID=274 this map] is that it's just barely inside the northern border.  I am open to considering better evidence.  --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">@</span>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<span style="color:orange;">ē</span>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 16:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
+@[[user:maerino]] According to the county Parcel, it is scott township.<ref>http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/GeneralInfo.aspx?ParcelID=0064P00160000000&SearchType=3&SearchParcel=0064p00160</ref> [[User:Gvstaylor1|Gvstaylor1]] ([[User talk:Gvstaylor1|talk]]) 19:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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+== Pronunciation of "Lebanon" ==
+As a local I know we pronounce "Lebanon" as \ˈle-bə-nən\ but I wasn't aware that it was unusual until my wife pronounced it \ˈle-bə-nän\. Is this worth noting in the article? [[Special:Contributions/75.140.2.110|75.140.2.110]] ([[User talk:75.140.2.110|talk]]) 16:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC)