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== wrong image: NOT the famous Brook Farm in Massachusetts == |
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==Manifest Destiny philosophy== |
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Credited in "The Year of Decision: 1846" by historian Bernard DeVoto as perhaps an unintending proponent of the Manifest Destiny philosophy that drove the expansionism of Henry Polk's presidency. PP 9-10. |
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(Please help fix this erroneous image file.) |
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== WikiProject class rating== |
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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 05:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC) |
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This image: [File:BrookFarm-engraving.jpg] |
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== New article name? == |
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is not from the famous BROOK FARM in Massachusetts. |
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It is an image of "Pond Field Farm" in East Chester, New York. |
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This image is from this book: |
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I'm curious why the article was moved. It seems to me "Brook Farm" almost always refers to this very famous community. Nevertheless, even if a move ''was'' necessary, naming it with the parenthetical phrase "Boston, Massachusetts" is bizarre considering that the community was and is, technically, outside of Boston. Thoughts? --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 02:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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* http://archive.org/details/brookfarmamusing00lond |
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:Brook Farm: the amusing and memorable of American country life (1859) |
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:Publisher: London, Wertheim, Macintosh, and Hunt |
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:Language: English |
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:Call number: 1570336 |
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The book describes the location thus: |
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:Thanks for raising this issue. It was I what moved the article. I don't want to impose any bizarreness. The disambiguation page I created, at [[Brook Farm]], lists this one and 2 others. If this one is really clearly the [[wp:primary topic]] for this term, then I would agree to moving the disambiguation page to "Brook Farm (disambigation)" and moving this article back to "Brook Farm" with a hat-note stating something like, "For other uses, see Brook Farm (disambiguation)". |
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<code>Brook Farm — the scene of all but two or |
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:I set up the disambiguation page and moved the article while preparing, myself, to visit the New York state, NRHP-listed Brook Farm, in the Skaneateles, New York area. I did visit it, and have pics to upload and material to add to its article. I will grant upfront that it does not seem to have more than New York state-level importance. So my current impression is that this Massachusetts one is ''more'' important, though I don't yet agree necessarily that this one meets "primary topic" type importance. |
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three of the following sketches — covered some |
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200 acres of the State of New York. It lay |
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about seven miles east of the Hudson, and |
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within an easy drive of the border of Con- |
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necticut. The reader of Cooper's admirable |
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tale of the "Spy" will be pleased to hear |
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that the noted house where the four roads |
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met, was within a quarter of an hour's walk of |
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us...</code> |
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A reviewer describes the book: |
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:The current article states this is in [[West Roxbury, Massachusetts]], which is a neighborhood within Boston, Massachusetts. The disambiguation page that i set up states that it is in North Roxbury (at this moment i don't know what the source for that was, did the current article change?) But, isn't all of Roxbury within Boston? And, if so, what is the problem with identifying this as being in Boston? Is it inside or outside of Boston city limits? Certainly the facts of this can be resolved, and we can either move it to a better parenthetical location, or we can establish primary usage and move it back to the original name. I will watch here for further discussion. [[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 03:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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"This book is by James Bolton, son of Robert Bolton, who owned the Pondfield Farm, in what is now Bronxville, NY. It has nothing to do with the Brook Farm community in Massechusetts. It is a memorial to the family life lived on Pondfield Farm in the early 1800's. The family also purchased 30 acres in what is now Pelham, NY and built the Bolton Priory there, the first example of neo-gothic architecture in the US, built in 1838."[http://books.google.com/books?id=va8NAAAAQAAJ&sitesec=reviews] |
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::I guess I don't think of West Roxbury as part of Boston proper. It's more than a "neighborhood," too - it has its own zip code, library, post office, and is far enough outside of the main part of Boston that it's always referred to as West Roxbury. I guess I'm single-minded but this "Brook Farm" strikes me as the first thing people think of when they hear that phrase. It might also be worth noting a similar Transcendental community with the article title [[Fruitlands (transcendental center)]]. I might recommend [[Brook Farm (community)]]. I'd love to hear other thoughts. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 10:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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This source explains that the book title is fictitious: |
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=== [[Brook Farm]] [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation page]] moved to [[Brook Farm (disambiguation)]]=== |
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* http://historicpelham.blogspot.com/2009/03/excerpt-from-book-published-in-1860.html |
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Thursday, March 26, 2009 |
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I just wanted to let you know that I moved what had been <nowiki>[[Brook Farm]]</nowiki> to [[Brook Farm (disambiguation)]]. It seems clear that [[Brook Farm]] in Mass. is a "primary topic" (in this case a significant historical site and solid article -- see [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic.3F]]), whereas the other two Brook Farms are minor stubs. I added a disambiguation note at the top, in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|standard Wikipedia practice]]. Also, I didn't see this discussion until I just came here to let people know my thinking.... |
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Excerpt from Book Published in 1860 Provides Memories of Sundays at St. Paul's Church Before 1838 |
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"Blake A. Bell is Town Historian and Town Clerk of Pelham, NY in Westchester County. He is also Village Historian of the Village of Pelham and is a member of the Boards of Trustees of the Westchester County Historical Society (Executive Committee), the Pelham Preservation Society, Ltd., and the Society of the National Shrine of the Bill of Rights at Saint Paul's Church National Historic Site." |
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Thanks,<br> |
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[[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color="chartreuse">|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 14:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:I think this is a good move, personally. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 15:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Massachusetts Cultural Resource Information System == |
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Today's Historic Pelham Blog posting transcribes a chapter from a book published in 1860 containing an account of "Pleasant Sundays' spent at St. Paul's Church in about 1836. The author of the book was James Bolton (1824 - 1863), the youngest son of Rev. Robert Bolton who founded Christ Church in Pelham Manor and who served as Rector of St. Paul's Church in East Chester. |
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As James Bolton notes in the preface, he changed names in the book, but provides "truthful" narrratives from his boyhood. The book is about his family's life on the "Pond Field Farm" in East Chester which Rev. Bolton acquired in about 1836 before he built Bolton Priory and Christ Church in Pelham. In the book, James Bolton refers to Pond Field Farm as "Brook Farm", to East Chester as "Lancaster" and to St. Paul's Church as "St. Peter's Church". |
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http://mhc-macris.net/ Massachusetts Cultural Resource Information System |
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<pre>Below are the results of your search, using the following search criteria: |
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Pleasant Sundays. |
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Town(s): Boston |
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Resource Type(s): Area, Building, Burial Ground, Object, Structure |
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Name: Brook Farm |
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Inv. No. Property Name Street Town Year |
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BOS.NY Brook Farm Boston |
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BOS.823 Brook Farm - Gethsemane Cemetery 670 Baker St Boston 1872 |
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BOS.9369 Brook Farm - The Dell 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9370 Brook Farm - The Hive Site 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9371 Brook Farm - Granite Gateposts 670 Baker St Boston 1680 |
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BOS.9372 Brook Farm - Barn Foundations 670 Baker St Boston 1841 |
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BOS.9373 Brook Farm - Barn Timbers 670 Baker St Boston 1841 |
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BOS.9374 Brook Farm - Pilgrim House Site 670 Baker St Boston 1843 |
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BOS.9375 Brook Farm - U. S. S. Constitution Cannon 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9376 Brook Farm - Camp Andrew Munitions Storage Vault 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9377 Brook Farm - Milk Storage Structure Foundation 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9378 Brook Farm - Burkhardt, Gottlieb F. Obelisk 670 Baker St Boston |
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BOS.9379 Brook Farm - Eyrie School Building Site 670 Baker St Boston 1844 |
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BOS.9380 Brook Farm - The Phalanstery Site 670 Baker St Boston 1844 |
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BOS.10423 Brook Farm - Print Shop Building 670 Baker St Boston 1841 |
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BOS.10836 Brook Farm - Fuller, Margaret Cottage 670 Baker St Boston |
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16 Properties Found</pre> |
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-[[Special:Contributions/71.174.187.78|71.174.187.78]] ([[User talk:71.174.187.78|talk]]) 22:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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BROOK FARM was about three miles from the village of Lancaster. It was the nearest village to us, and thither we had to go for our letters, literature, clothes and groceries; all of which, and blue pills besides, could be obtained in one large shop. The village, nicely shaded with locust-trees, straggled for another mile along the high road... |
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== Boston online maps and ownership 2010 == |
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Source: Bolton, James, Brook Farm: The Amusing and Memorable of American Country Life, Chapter V, pp. 33 - 41 (NY, NY: Robert Carter & Brothers, 1860). |
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Pulpit Rock: |
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-[[Special:Contributions/96.237.4.73|96.237.4.73]] ([[User talk:96.237.4.73|talk]]) 16:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC) |
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http://hubmaps1.cityofboston.gov/egis/Map.aspx?PropertyID=2008962000 |
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:I've done what I could to correct this mistake. Thank you for noticing it. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 21:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Address CEMETERY RD ISLAND |
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Parcel ID 2008962000 |
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Owner ROXBURY HISTORICAL SOC |
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Property Type 0985 |
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Land Use Exempt |
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Lot Size 89,060 sq ft |
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Valuation |
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Land $311,700.00 |
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Building $0.00 |
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Total $311,700.00 |
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== Margaret Fuller youngest brother James Lloyd at Brook Farm == |
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main Brook Farm DCR parcel: |
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http://hubmaps1.cityofboston.gov/egis/Map.aspx?PropertyID=2008964000 |
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Address 670 BAKER ST |
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Parcel ID 2008964000 |
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Owner THE GARDENS AT GETHSEMANE IN |
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Property Type 0906 |
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Land Use Exempt |
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Lot Size 6,454,590 sq ft |
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Valuation |
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Land $4,606,000.00 |
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Building $0.00 |
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Total $4,606,000.00 |
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Margaret Fuller had a youngest brother James Lloyd who was at Brook Farm. Visiting him was part of the reason she would have visited there; this seems worth mentioning in the articles (sites.google.com/site/margaretfullerandthedial/fuller-s-family).-[[Special:Contributions/71.174.183.177|71.174.183.177]] ([[User talk:71.174.183.177|talk]]) 21:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC) |
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Gethsemane Cemetery: |
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http://hubmaps1.cityofboston.gov/egis/Map.aspx?PropertyID=2008965000 |
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Address BAKER ST |
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Parcel ID 2008965000 |
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Owner ASSOC OF EVANG LUTH CH |
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Property Type 0906 |
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Land Use Exempt |
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Lot Size 920,455 sq ft |
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Valuation |
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Land $2,374,800.00 |
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Building $0.00 |
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Total $2,374,800.00 |
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== External links modified == |
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North corner parcels: |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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http://hubmaps1.cityofboston.gov/egis/Map.aspx?PropertyID=2008961000 |
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Address 710 BAKER ST |
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Parcel ID 2008961000 |
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Owner CONGREGATION BETH-HAMIDRASH |
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Lot Size 296,643 sq ft |
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Address 700 BAKER ST |
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Parcel ID 2008963000 |
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Owner ISENBERG ISAAC TRSTS |
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Lot Size 199,505 sq ft |
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== Historic Maps == |
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Brook Farm Cemetery area<br> |
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From [http://www.suffolkdeeds.com/Atlas%20Index.asp Suffolk County Atlas] |
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1874 [http://www.suffolkdeeds.com/images/wrox1874/0070.tif VOL.5.PLATE:P.] |
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1896 [http://www.suffolkdeeds.com/images/Wrox1896/0029.tif PLATE 29 WARD 23] |
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1905 [http://www.suffolkdeeds.com/images/Wrox1905/0029.tif PLATE 29 WARD 23] |
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1914 [http://www.suffolkdeeds.com/images/WRox01914/0031.tif PLATE 31 WARD 23] |
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<br>-[[Special:Contributions/96.233.18.213|96.233.18.213]] ([[User talk:96.233.18.213|talk]]) 22:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== Print Shop constructed in about 1890 == |
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www.mass.gov/dcr/news/pdf/pr08-05-28.pdf |
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<pre>May 28, 2008 617-626-1453 |
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DCR BEGINS REHABILITATION OF THE PRINT SHOP |
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AT BROOK FARM HISTORIC SITE |
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The Department of Conservation and Recreation (DCR) has begun work to stabilize the Print |
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Shop at the Brook Farm Historic Site in West Roxbury. |
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The Print Shop, constructed in about 1890, is the last remaining historic building at Brook |
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Farm, a designated National Historical Landmark. The building is not associated with the |
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Transcendentalist utopian community that briefly flourished on the property in the mid-19th |
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century. Rather, it was built by the Lutheran Church, which operated the Martin Luther |
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Orphan’s Home on the property from 1871 to 1944. The building housed the orphanage’s |
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printing operations, which produced Lutheran newspapers and a variety of religious books, |
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pamphlets, and other parish and church literature. |
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The stabilization work consists of repairing the structural frame of the Print Shop; installing |
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new clapboards, roofing, and sills; and restoring the basement wall to its original appearance. |
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Due to damage from long-term water infiltration, a major portion of the building’s stone |
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foundation must be dismantled and rebuilt. |
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The work is intended to halt further deterioration of the building while DCR plans for its |
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future reuse. The Print Shop building has been largely vacant for several years, used |
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intermittently for storage. |
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“We are very pleased to be able to start restoring this historic building and halt any future |
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damage from the elements,” said DCR Commissioner Rick Sullivan. “We look forward to |
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finding a suitable and appropriate use for the Print Shop in the future.” |
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Keegan Contracting Inc. of Brighton was awarded the $350,000 contract to undertake the Print |
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Shop repairs. In 2007, the contractor worked with DCR to install a new cedar shingle roof and |
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repair the chimney at the building. The current construction, which began this month, is |
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expected to be completed in late July.</pre> |
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-[[Special:Contributions/96.237.8.174|96.237.8.174]] ([[User talk:96.237.8.174|talk]]) 14:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:Many, many thanks for this! --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 14:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC) |
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wrong image: NOT the famous Brook Farm in Massachusetts
[edit](Please help fix this erroneous image file.)
This image: [File:BrookFarm-engraving.jpg] is not from the famous BROOK FARM in Massachusetts. It is an image of "Pond Field Farm" in East Chester, New York.
This image is from this book:
- Brook Farm: the amusing and memorable of American country life (1859)
- Publisher: London, Wertheim, Macintosh, and Hunt
- Language: English
- Call number: 1570336
The book describes the location thus:
Brook Farm — the scene of all but two or
three of the following sketches — covered some
200 acres of the State of New York. It lay
about seven miles east of the Hudson, and
within an easy drive of the border of Con-
necticut. The reader of Cooper's admirable
tale of the "Spy" will be pleased to hear
that the noted house where the four roads
met, was within a quarter of an hour's walk of
us...
A reviewer describes the book: "This book is by James Bolton, son of Robert Bolton, who owned the Pondfield Farm, in what is now Bronxville, NY. It has nothing to do with the Brook Farm community in Massechusetts. It is a memorial to the family life lived on Pondfield Farm in the early 1800's. The family also purchased 30 acres in what is now Pelham, NY and built the Bolton Priory there, the first example of neo-gothic architecture in the US, built in 1838."[1]
This source explains that the book title is fictitious:
Thursday, March 26, 2009 Excerpt from Book Published in 1860 Provides Memories of Sundays at St. Paul's Church Before 1838
"Blake A. Bell is Town Historian and Town Clerk of Pelham, NY in Westchester County. He is also Village Historian of the Village of Pelham and is a member of the Boards of Trustees of the Westchester County Historical Society (Executive Committee), the Pelham Preservation Society, Ltd., and the Society of the National Shrine of the Bill of Rights at Saint Paul's Church National Historic Site."
Today's Historic Pelham Blog posting transcribes a chapter from a book published in 1860 containing an account of "Pleasant Sundays' spent at St. Paul's Church in about 1836. The author of the book was James Bolton (1824 - 1863), the youngest son of Rev. Robert Bolton who founded Christ Church in Pelham Manor and who served as Rector of St. Paul's Church in East Chester.
As James Bolton notes in the preface, he changed names in the book, but provides "truthful" narrratives from his boyhood. The book is about his family's life on the "Pond Field Farm" in East Chester which Rev. Bolton acquired in about 1836 before he built Bolton Priory and Christ Church in Pelham. In the book, James Bolton refers to Pond Field Farm as "Brook Farm", to East Chester as "Lancaster" and to St. Paul's Church as "St. Peter's Church".
"V.
Pleasant Sundays.
BROOK FARM was about three miles from the village of Lancaster. It was the nearest village to us, and thither we had to go for our letters, literature, clothes and groceries; all of which, and blue pills besides, could be obtained in one large shop. The village, nicely shaded with locust-trees, straggled for another mile along the high road...
Source: Bolton, James, Brook Farm: The Amusing and Memorable of American Country Life, Chapter V, pp. 33 - 41 (NY, NY: Robert Carter & Brothers, 1860).
-96.237.4.73 (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- I've done what I could to correct this mistake. Thank you for noticing it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Margaret Fuller youngest brother James Lloyd at Brook Farm
[edit]Margaret Fuller had a youngest brother James Lloyd who was at Brook Farm. Visiting him was part of the reason she would have visited there; this seems worth mentioning in the articles (sites.google.com/site/margaretfullerandthedial/fuller-s-family).-71.174.183.177 (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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