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Istrian-Dalmatian exodus refers to the post-World War II expulsion and departure

Controversial definition. It started in 1943. Xx236 (talk) 08:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lede and text does not reflect the picture given by the quotes in the end

The quotes in the end all explicitly indicate that there was no deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing by the Yugoslavs up until the Soviet-Yugoslav split made left-wing Italians ideologically suspicious as supporters of the USSR (and even then there was no overt expulsion). This aspect is totally ignored both in the lede and in the main narrative of the article, which, rather, more or less paints a picture of a consistent programme of ethnic cleansing embedded in the Yugoslav communists' anti-fascist resistance as well as in their subsequent government policies.--178.249.169.67 (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Istrian-Dalmatian exodus refers to the post-World War II expulsion and departure ==
-==Sentence removed in the lead==
-It cannot be stated that the exodus had place from territories belonging to Yugoslavia. Large movements of population (accounting to more than a third of the total exiles) had place from Zara, Fiume and Pola (I am using thre Italian toponyms with reason, because those territories were still within the borders of Italy when those events had place) before 1947 so before the Treaty of Paris.
-This fact is clearly explained in the rest of article. The current formulation suggest a fact that is historically wrong, i.e. that the exodus was a fact involving since the beginning Yugoslav citizens from Yugoslav land. [[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 08:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
-:You're right.. even after 1947 much of the exodus took place from Zone B of the Free Territory of Trieste. For the purposes of the lead, it should rather be said that the events took place "as the area passed to Yugoslavia". <font face="Eras Bold ITC">-- [[User:Director|<span style="color:#353535">Director</span>]] <span style="color:#464646">([[User talk:Director|<span style="color:#464646">talk</span>]])</span></font> 17:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
-::From my perspective, the modification you suggest can have place. --[[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
+Controversial definition. It started in 1943. [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 08:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
-==Political factor?==
-The following sentence: ''The "political factor"{{Clarify| reason=please explain "political factor" to a general audience| date=September 2011}} also played its part, especially regarding the local intellectual elite.'' has been there unsourced and unexplained for almost 3 years. It has been just removed. If reinstated sourcing is necessary. And by the way it would be nice to understand what it does actually mean. In the current state it does not mean anything. [[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 09:33, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
+== Lede and text does not reflect the picture given by the quotes in the end ==
-==Period of the exodus==
-Expanded, as well brief reference to the foibe entered in the lead. Discussion about those modifications welcome.--[[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 16:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
-@Director, I do not understand why you consider the section describing the exodus from Zadar as POV. The insertion is very well sourced. Can you list the reasons of your disagreement? --[[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 22:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
+The quotes in the end all explicitly indicate that there was no deliberate policy of ''ethnic'' cleansing by the Yugoslavs up until the Soviet-Yugoslav split made left-wing Italians ''ideologically'' suspicious as supporters of the USSR (and even then there was no overt expulsion). This aspect is totally ignored both in the lede and in the main narrative of the article, which, rather, more or less paints a picture of a consistent programme of ethnic cleansing embedded in the Yugoslav communists' anti-fascist resistance as well as in their subsequent government policies.--[[Special:Contributions/178.249.169.67|178.249.169.67]] ([[User talk:178.249.169.67|talk]]) 05:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
-==Slavs under Italian Fascist rule==
-# This section is the verbatim copy of the article Italianisation. Indeed it's the copy of an old version of it and contains a lot of material which was challanged and removed because unsourced. Also, exactly as with the [[Foibe killings]], the section Slavs under Italian Fascist rule should be shortened and directed to the main article, which is [[Italianization]]. I suggest to copy from the current version of Italianisation, agree on a shorter version of it and redirect to the main article. --[[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 08:47, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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-# There is no discussion around the fact that the Fascism acted an intense policy of Italianisation in Istria. On the other hand this policy did not start before 1922, opposely to what it is affirmed in the article. [[User:Director|Director]], I am fine in keeping things as they are but I need to see sources. Can you provide? --[[User:Silvio1973|Silvio1973]] ([[User talk:Silvio1973|talk]]) 08:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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