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== Can someone un[[WP:SALT|salt]] this? ==
== Can someone un[[WP:SALT|salt]] this? ==


I don't think this should've been permanently, fully protected. I believe that there's enough significant coverage on Castro, although it takes some digging to do. In any case, I don't believe someone who's appeared and been a part of several hundreds of bands should redirect to [[Toto (band)|Toto]]. Here are some sources for him: he appeared on the cover of and had an interview with ''[[Modern Drummer]]''; [https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/md218cs.pdf], a biography in the ''SmoothViews'' magazine; [http://www.smoothviews.com/archives/ontheside/onthesideApr06.htm], and topped or been a runner-up in several polls in ''[[DRUM!]]''; [https://drummagazine.com/awards-1999/]. And that's just the sources that go into detail on Castro himself; there are also independent reviews that mention him as more than just a listing with the bands he's worked with, such as some of these: [https://www.proquest.com/docview/295383437/50444E33F4E64EB5PQ/81?accountid=196403], [https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/stevie-nicks-boz-scaggs-1200454257/], [https://worldmusiccentral.org/2005/12/28/cape-breton-international-drum-festival-announces-full-line-up-for-2006/], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Gospel_According_to_Luke/r8xmDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=lenny+castro&pg=PT79&printsec=frontcover]. Here are some slightly less reliable sources; some are podcasts or can be considered self-published, but I believe they can establish general notability: [https://www.discussionsinpercussion.com/home/2020/10/6/197-lenny-castro-touring-and-studio-percussion-legend], [https://insidejazz.com/2018/01/lenny-castro/], [https://www.everyonelovesguitar.com/2019/07/12/lenny-castro-interview/], [https://entertalkmedia.com/01-11-17-lenny-castro-percussionist-with-adele-rolling-stones-elton-john-more/]. Again, this is just from a basic search, so I'm sure I can dig up some more sources if necessary. There are also some more mentions in some music trade journals, as he has several models named after him by companies such as [[Latin Percussion]], although I worry that may be too promotional. [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 15:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't think this should've been permanently, fully protected. I believe that there's enough significant coverage on Castro, although it takes some digging to do. In any case, I don't believe someone who's appeared and been a part of several hundreds of bands should redirect to [[Toto (band)|Toto]]. Here are some sources for him: he appeared on the cover of, and had an interview with, ''[[Modern Drummer]]''; [https://www.moderndrummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/md218cs.pdf], had a biography in the ''SmoothViews'' magazine; [http://www.smoothviews.com/archives/ontheside/onthesideApr06.htm], topped or been a runner-up in several polls in ''[[DRUM!]]''; [https://drummagazine.com/awards-1999/], and was the subject of a newspaper entry by the ''[[Maui News]]''; [https://www.mauinews.com/life/maui-beat/2013/09/lenny-castro-heats-up-maui-jazz-blues-festival/]. And that's just the sources that go into detail on Castro himself; there are also independent reviews that mention him as more than just a listing with the bands he's worked with, such as some of these: [https://www.proquest.com/docview/295383437/50444E33F4E64EB5PQ/81?accountid=196403], [https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/stevie-nicks-boz-scaggs-1200454257/], [https://worldmusiccentral.org/2005/12/28/cape-breton-international-drum-festival-announces-full-line-up-for-2006/], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Classic_Rock_Drummers/zNCGDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Lenny+Castro%22&pg=PT128&printsec=frontcover], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Drum_Perspective/IIIJAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Lenny+Castro%22&dq=%22Lenny+Castro%22&printsec=frontcover], [. Here are some slightly less reliable sources; some are podcasts including Castro or may be considered self-published (including one by [[John Robinson (drummer)|John Robinson]] which should qualify as an expert source), but I believe they can establish general notability: [https://www.discussionsinpercussion.com/home/2020/10/6/197-lenny-castro-touring-and-studio-percussion-legend], [https://insidejazz.com/2018/01/lenny-castro/], [https://www.everyonelovesguitar.com/2019/07/12/lenny-castro-interview/], [https://entertalkmedia.com/01-11-17-lenny-castro-percussionist-with-adele-rolling-stones-elton-john-more/]. Again, this is just from a basic search, so I'm sure I can dig up some more sources if necessary. There are also some more mentions in some music trade journals, as he has several models named after him by companies such as [[Latin Percussion]], although I worry that may be too promotional. [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 15:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:Here are a couple more sources including an interview and analysis conducted by Alex Pertout (a professor at the University of Melbourne) [https://web.archive.org/web/20090930114137/http://pertout.customer.netspace.net.au/lennycastro.htm] that was originally published in the ''DRUMEScene'' magazine as well as his follow up thesis [https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/116903] citing Castro as an important player to the conga drum's development. Here's another interview that briefly discusses Castro's and [[Bernard Fowler]]'s relationship from ''Modern Drummer'' [https://www.moderndrummer.com/2019/04/bernard-fowler-of-the-rolling-stones/]. Lastly, here's his actual ''[[Grammy]]'' [https://www.grammy.com/artists/lenny-castro/16493] page, where he was at least nominated as part of a band that wasn't Toto. He also appeared on "[[Tears in Heaven]]" and the album ''[[21 (Adele album)|21]]'', to name a few Grammy wins he's appeared on (there are many, many more, however). [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 17:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

===Previous versions===
I am of the opinion that he probably satisfies the GNG. But we probably do not have quite enough sources yet.

He does not quite meet [[Wikipedia:MUSICBIO]] on the sources we have so far, in my opinion.

Once we do have a case for notability, we face another hurdle. In order to use the text from now-deleted versions, we would need to somehow attribute that text. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 07:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello, [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]], I have started [[Draft:Lenny Castro]] which I believe meets the sourcing required for GNG. (I believe it's honestly better sourced than [[Jeff Porcaro]] is right now). Furthermore, this text is all my own, so attribution shouldn't be required. [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 07:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

::Well done! Another admin seems to have moved it into the main namespace. It's a new article so it doesn't fall under [[wp:G4|G4]] so we should be OK. Keep me posted of any further problems. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:48, 12 February 2024

Can someone unsalt this?

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I don't think this should've been permanently, fully protected. I believe that there's enough significant coverage on Castro, although it takes some digging to do. In any case, I don't believe someone who's appeared and been a part of several hundreds of bands should redirect to Toto. Here are some sources for him: he appeared on the cover of, and had an interview with, Modern Drummer; [1], had a biography in the SmoothViews magazine; [2], topped or been a runner-up in several polls in DRUM!; [3], and was the subject of a newspaper entry by the Maui News; [4]. And that's just the sources that go into detail on Castro himself; there are also independent reviews that mention him as more than just a listing with the bands he's worked with, such as some of these: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [. Here are some slightly less reliable sources; some are podcasts including Castro or may be considered self-published (including one by John Robinson which should qualify as an expert source), but I believe they can establish general notability: [10], [11], [12], [13]. Again, this is just from a basic search, so I'm sure I can dig up some more sources if necessary. There are also some more mentions in some music trade journals, as he has several models named after him by companies such as Latin Percussion, although I worry that may be too promotional. Why? I Ask (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a couple more sources including an interview and analysis conducted by Alex Pertout (a professor at the University of Melbourne) [14] that was originally published in the DRUMEScene magazine as well as his follow up thesis [15] citing Castro as an important player to the conga drum's development. Here's another interview that briefly discusses Castro's and Bernard Fowler's relationship from Modern Drummer [16]. Lastly, here's his actual Grammy [17] page, where he was at least nominated as part of a band that wasn't Toto. He also appeared on "Tears in Heaven" and the album 21, to name a few Grammy wins he's appeared on (there are many, many more, however). Why? I Ask (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Previous versions

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I am of the opinion that he probably satisfies the GNG. But we probably do not have quite enough sources yet.

He does not quite meet Wikipedia:MUSICBIO on the sources we have so far, in my opinion.

Once we do have a case for notability, we face another hurdle. In order to use the text from now-deleted versions, we would need to somehow attribute that text. Andrewa (talk) 07:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Andrewa, I have started Draft:Lenny Castro which I believe meets the sourcing required for GNG. (I believe it's honestly better sourced than Jeff Porcaro is right now). Furthermore, this text is all my own, so attribution shouldn't be required. Why? I Ask (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well done! Another admin seems to have moved it into the main namespace. It's a new article so it doesn't fall under G4 so we should be OK. Keep me posted of any further problems. Andrewa (talk) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]