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Chinese Americans → Chinese American – Conform to WP:SINGULAR Caorongjin (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from technical request (permalink). I learnt that articles about nations/ethnic groups/tribes don't usually obey WP:SINGULAR. Cf. Americans, Germans and African Americans. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:NCET. – Uanfala (talk) 11:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fabrickator revert of 8 May 2020

I've reverted this article back to the 20:21, 27 April 2020‎ edit by Cyfal, with some additional edits.

Here's what's being reverted:

the drop of Malaysia from portal bar
- 23% of Malaysian population is Chinese, when these Malaysians come to America, I presume they may be considered as Chinese-Americans, which would seem to justify including Malaysia on the portal bar.
the drop of reference to "Standard Chinese", based on a claim that "SC is not a language"
- I'm going to call this bogus. There are different forms of the Chinese language, and one of those forms (evidently Mandarin) is considered the "standard" form.
the the drop of paragraph about Chinese who identify as Jewish
- This topic seems to have quite a bit of coverage. I've added some relevant citations, providing some fair support for these claims. Feel free to improve on my efforts. Fabrickator (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion in "History" Section on Chinese Women Migrants

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I plan on making some changes to this Wiki page and wanted to inform you all before I make them. There's some information missing in the section titled "History" about the experiences of Chinese Women migrants. They're not mentioned at all, so I plan on adding information about the topic. I do not plan on removing any information or rearranging anything. I plan on adding information following the third paragraph in this section, as it will fit nicely following the information provided on the Gold Rush. I will talk about the experiences that Chinese women migrants had in America in the nineteenth century. For example, many went through stricter background checks than Chinese men, when they arrived to America. They were interrogated for days and asked intrusive questions about their family lives. Chinese women were also prevented in large numbers from legally immigrating to the United States, which lead to an imbalanced sex ratio among Chinese American populations. Once these women had been approved and let into the country, they experienced new hardships. Many Chinese women were coerced into prostitution, with over 60% of the adult Chinese women living in California in 1870 working in the trade. I gathered this information from a book chapter titled "Nineteenth Century Immigration: Chinese Women Came to the Gold Mountain” which is found in Huping Ling's book titled Surviving on the Gold Mountain : A History of Chinese American Women and Their Lives. This source is reliable as the book was published by State University of New York Press, a reliable publisher, in 1998. The author, Ling Huping, is a professor at Truman State University in Kirksville, Missouri. She also founded the Asian studies program at the university. Altogether I'll add between 200 and 300 words to the "History" section. If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page! Chris3348 (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited text in intro

I've moved this uncited text from the intro. Feel free to move it back with citations: "About half or more of the Chinese ethnic people in the U.S. in the 1980s had roots in Taishan, Guangdong, a city in southern China near the major city of Guangzhou. In general, much of the Chinese population before the 1990s consisted of Cantonese or Taishanese-speaking people from southern China, predominately from Guangdong province. During the 1980s, more Mandarin-speaking immigrants from Northern China and Taiwan immigrated to the U.S. The Chinese population in much of the 1800s and 1990s was almost entirely contained to the Western U.S., especially California and Nevada, as well as New York City. Chinese immigrants and their descendants generally lived in Chinatowns (especially the ones in San Francisco and New York), or Chinese populated districts in downtowns of major cities." PRRfan (talk) PRRfan (talk) 02:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added it back with some citations. The first half has a lot of evidence to it (and is a summary of the rest of the article's information), the latter half seems true but may be frustrated by vague terminology (how many is "generally"?) and should also probably mention non-city Chinatowns like San Marino. Calabax (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganization

This article is a confusing mishmash of many different cultures and histories all mixed together. The primary problem is organization.

The "History" section is about 19th century Chinese-American West Coast history. This is undeniably relevant to the status of Chinese Americans today, but is described in greater detail than necessary for a page that is meant for "Chinese Americans" in general.

The "Demographics" section focuses on the demographics and statistics of East Coast Chinatowns, and could use some more history instead of just statistics.

The "Modern Immigration" section, previously named Immigration, is a relatively tiny section with information about immigration after the PRC opened China, which began in the 1980s. It's part of the reason there's a big cultural difference between the early wave and later waves of Chinese immigration, because there's literally hundreds of years of economic level, cultural difference, and degrees of assimilation between the them.

The "Socioeconomics" section is focused on 1980s+ Chinese American international students. It, unlike the previous sections, also cites many more individual news articles rather than research studies, and seems to be focused on students rather than the holistic Chinese population. How many students are immigrating? From where are they from? It makes many statements such as "With their above average educational attainment rates, Chinese Americans from all socioeconomic backgrounds have achieved significant advances in their educational levels, income, life expectancy, and other social indicators" which is obviously less applicable to Chinese Americans that came to America because their ancestors "mined for gold and performed menial labor" as stated earlier in the article.

Many of the studies are from 2000-2010 textbooks, and should be updated with research from 2010-recent.

The Chinese Americans page length right now is 145,592 bytes. The article on Irish diaspora is 142,657 bytes. However, Chinese Americans article is much more confusing than the lrish diaspora article. The Irish diaspora article links to relevant historical events driving immigration such as the Great Famine, and immigrant conflicts such as the Irish American slang, which I would like to see the Chinese American versions of. Calabax (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose more categories so we can maintain the Chinese Americans page as a useful hub page for Chinese Americans, instead of this mishmash of different waves of immigration. Do not delete information, or remove uncited text, but move it onto pages where it fits better and create links between articles. We don't want the new Chinese to overwrite the old Chinese, and we don't want the old Chinese to overwrite the new Chinese. Calabax (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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-Current lede text says that <blockquote>" Like the Europeans, Chinese people were some of the earliest immigrants to live in the U.S."</blockquote> after saying that the first Chinese arrived in 1820. What is the sense of this? The European settlement of the Americas began in the 16th century, what would become the US in the early 17th. What is this about? [[User:Lycurgus|Lycurgus]] ([[User talk:Lycurgus|talk]]) 23:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
-:Yeah, I came to the discussion board just for that statement. It is quite ridiculous. I'll delete it if I can. It's part of that having your "cake and eating it too" thing that ethnic groups have in this country. They want to be seen as here since the beginning but then retain a fierce allegiance to their ethnic culture. Can't have it both ways that is why places like California are ethnically a mess. Asians live in San Jose, whites in the suburbs, blacks in Oakland, etc. You either have to assimilate or not, and if you choose not to like most Asians then you can't claim some "originalist" position on being there from the beginning.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.38.145.35|99.38.145.35]] ([[User talk:99.38.145.35|talk]]) 05:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::Er, ''that'' doesn't make sense. One can assimilate from the beginning and the statement would be perfectly valid. On the other hand, the original point was nonsensical since the Chinese were only "some of the earliest immigrants to live in the US" for very peculiar and self-serving values of "some". The idea is obviously to promote them relative to other ethnic groups; even unjustifiably lumping all Europeans into a single group, the Chinese arrived later than immigrants from Central America, South America, and Africa. Even within Asia, they arrived much later than the [[Asian Indian|Indians]]. —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 00:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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-== citizenship section ==
-I think the data that I added is more appropriate and relevant than the one that was previously there. [[Special:Contributions/71.251.46.27|71.251.46.27]] ([[User talk:71.251.46.27|talk]]) 04:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
-:However, the section still needs to explain whether Chinese Americans have dual citizenship, and there's a difference between those from the PRC versus the ROC. (Details for those from HK/Macau and other SE Asia countries can be considered.) Dual is relevant because people now migrate both ways. Additionally, settling in the US and becoming US citizens aren't as notable except for the percentage in the population. [[User:HkCaGu|HkCaGu]] ([[User talk:HkCaGu|talk]]) 04:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
-::One should look at citizenship laws for respective countries for finding out that information. It would not make sense to list citizenship laws for every single country. Regarding your comment about migrating both ways, I think Chinese Americans are different than American Chinese. [[Special:Contributions/71.251.46.27|71.251.46.27]] ([[User talk:71.251.46.27|talk]]) 06:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
-:::It appears that after some edit warring over the relevance of some sentences, the data of the paragraph below in the current article was changed to the incorrect one. [[Special:Contributions/71.251.41.219|71.251.41.219]] ([[User talk:71.251.41.219|talk]]) 10:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
-::::So [[WP:3RR]] it and bring your evidence to the ref? —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 00:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
-:Why are citizenship laws for individual countries in the article? This article is about an ethnic group, not nationals. [[Special:Contributions/174.252.23.157|174.252.23.157]] ([[User talk:174.252.23.157|talk]]) 12:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
-::Nationals whose ethnic group dominates two particular countries, as it has since the beginning of civilization there. It's quite justified, although it needs to note any peculiarities with HK and Macao natives relative to the bulk PRC population. —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 00:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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-Does the lead image - a collage of celebrities - represent a neutral point of view of the topic? --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 04:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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-:Why don't you state specifically what you find non neutral about it. Would you like more pictures of ordinary no-name folks (this is actually what's done at [[Japanese people]])? More pictures of murderers, porn stars, and used-car salesmen? No pictures at all? [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] ([[User talk:CaliforniaAliBaba|call]]) 05:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
-::I am completely uninvolved in this article, or similar articles, just came here as a reader, and I found the collection of celebrities in the infobox to be an illustration of a rather narrow section of the topic. Visually isn't very appealing to me either. Regarding your suggestions, I find the infobox illustration of the Japanese people article more balanced, and no picture would be an improvement as well IMHO. But as I said I just wanted to start the discussion about this, since most readers will be affected by what they see first. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 23:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
-:::This is a very interesting point...it seems the other ethnic pages tend to use celebrities and popular icons as well. It's probably not the most balanced approach and lends itself very easily to cherry picking. You could justifiably put up pictures of criminals, terrorists, and other unsavory types instead of popular actors, athletes, and philanthropists. I definitely feel this warrants a wider discussion, including editors from all of the other ethnic pages. [[User:Shaolin Samurai|Shaolin Samurai]] ([[User talk:Shaolin Samurai|talk]]) 23:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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-== Chinese translation for Chinese American ==
-Just curious where you got these terms. My Chinese is far from fluent but neither in Cantonese or Mandarin have I heard Chinese Americans refer to themselves or others refer to them as ''Měijí Huárén''. I know it means someone of Chinese descent with US citizenship but is this the commonly used term?  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wushudao|Wushudao]] ([[User talk:Wushudao|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wushudao|contribs]]) 15:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:It's not ''as'' commonly used even here in China, but it's still there. You're right that it could do with some usage notes, or even move the less-common term to a < ref > footnote: ''Also known as...'' —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 00:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
-== Total Population ==
-In instances in the U.S., multiracial individuals are classified within specific ethnic groups. For example people with 1/8 (I think this is the number, can't remember) Native American ancestry are considered Native American and historically due to the [[One-drop rule]] or ideas similar to the one-drop rule, African Americans who have Caucasian/White ancestry are still considered African Americans despite having Caucasian/White ancestry. To reflect this, I have changed the population in the infobox from the 2010 census to the 2009 American Community Survey 1-Year Estimates published by the census bureau. The census data so far does not include individuals who are of multiple ancestries. <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14px"><b><font color="#4682B4">[[User:Elockid|Elockid]]</font></b></span>   <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">[[User talk:Elockid|Talk]]</font>)</sup> 22:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
-:In a recent edit I tagged the article due to differing population counts in the infobox and the [[Chinese American#Statistics of the Chinese population in the United States (1840–2010)|Statistics of the Chinese population in the United States (1840–2010)]] section. Which is valid?--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 02:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
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-== Not in source ==
-In February [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chinese_American&diff=479049508&oldid=478909180 I tagged] a source that does not support the content. The content in question is as follows:
-{{quote|They make up at least 25% of the undergraduate student body at UC Berkeley while making less than 2% of the American population, and are more likely to attend college, go to graduate school, and earn higher income than most ethnic groups in the United States.}}
-The source as presently formatted is as follows:
-{{quote|Stoops, Niacole. "Educational Attainment in the United States, 2003." U.S. Census Bureau, [http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-550.pdf Current Population Reports publication P20-550], June 2004. Accessed 16 Feb 2007.}}
-I have read the source and it is not supported, and thus I tagged it as failing verification. No where in the article does it state that Chinese Americans make up 25% of the undergraduate student body at [[University of California, Berkeley]]. It further does support the rest of the statement. It was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chinese_American&diff=next&oldid=480254040 later removed] without giving a reason, and new content that fails [[WP:BURDEN]] lacking any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] was added. I have since [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chinese_American&diff=next&oldid=480359422 re-added] the tag, and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chinese_American&diff=480372070&oldid=480369012 added] a new ones for newly added content. --[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 19:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
-:Eh, if it's ''not in the source'' '''and''' ''dubious'', just remove the entire thing and bring it here for people to reinclude appropriately later if the source material is found. —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 00:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
+== External links modified ==
-==Significant Urban Population list needs redo==
-Right now, there's an unsourced list of Chinese American population centers that ranks Honolulu's 30k-odd as more "significant" than New York's nearly half a million.
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
-'''A)''' That's nuts. A list of significant US Chinese-American population centers should be based on actual population, particularly since the % Chinese can be sorted on its own by those curious for that list.
+I have just modified 10 external links on [[Chinese Americans]]. Please take a moment to review [[special:diff/813808445|my edit]]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes:
-'''B)''' Worse, the current info's unsourced and dubious. '''It lists a few thousand people in Riverside, while excluding areas mentioned elsewhere in the article as major centers of Chinese population''' such as Washington and Las Vegas. If there are tens of thousands in those cities, that's more important than whatever difference may be apparent between their 0.85% Asian demographic versus Riverside's 1.00% Asian demographic. —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 01:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110219012241/http://2010.census.gov/news/releases/operations/cb11-cn31.html to http://2010.census.gov/news/releases/operations/cb11-cn31.html
-:Hm... tried a compromise solution of inserting a second set of ranks of population from New York to Sacramento. (The cut-off for any further ranking without a new source was 14,500&nbsp;– 1.00% of [[Phoenix, Arizona]], the [[List of United States cities by population|largest US city]] not included on this list already.)
+*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.community.ups.com/Community/Community+Internship+Program/San+Francisco
+*Added archive https://archive.is/20120711131410/http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/01/report-half-of-chinas-rich-want-to-leave/ to http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/01/report-half-of-chinas-rich-want-to-leave/
+*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/diversity/documents/diversity-accountability-report-and-appendix-0910.pdf
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120507035916/http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/11/9679479-chinese-applications-to-us-schools-skyrocket?lite to http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/11/9679479-chinese-applications-to-us-schools-skyrocket?lite
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130906192222/http://www.usatodayeducate.com/staging/index.php/ccp/chinas-growing-middle-class-means-influx-of-students-for-u-s-colleges to http://www.usatodayeducate.com/staging/index.php/ccp/chinas-growing-middle-class-means-influx-of-students-for-u-s-colleges
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120528234930/http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneurship/foreign-born-entrepreneurs.aspx to http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneurship/foreign-born-entrepreneurs.aspx
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130527000933/http://www.ppic.org/main/commentary.asp?i=206 to http://www.ppic.org/main/commentary.asp?i=206
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120107231339/http://www.census.gov/econ/sbo/get07sof.html?16 to http://www.census.gov/econ/sbo/get07sof.html?16
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120801003336/http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/15/296250/romney-rejects-buffetts-call-to-tax-the-rich-falsely-claims-it-would-hurt-small-businesses/?mobile=nc to http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/15/296250/romney-rejects-buffetts-call-to-tax-the-rich-falsely-claims-it-would-hurt-small-businesses/?mobile=nc
+*Added archive https://www.webcitation.org/5nAn0V3om?url=http://www.census.gov/apsd/wepeople/we-3.pdf to http://www.census.gov/apsd/wepeople/we-3.pdf
+*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.voanews.com/content/long_term_unemployment_hits_asian_americans_hardest/11005574.html
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20001206202500/http://www.nwchp.org/ to http://www.nwchp.org/
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-:Problem is, my Wikifu is lacking: I can't get the table to sort properly. If I make the table as a whole sortable, it makes "Rank" and "Chinese American" sort instead of the second tier; if I try in-line class="sortable", it does nothing. Obviously I'm missing something. —&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">LlywelynII</span>]] 02:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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+Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 09:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
+== Requested move 15 June 2018 ==
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+:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''
+The result of the move request was: '''Not moved''' – speedy closing to prevent [[WP:SNOW]]. Ethnic group articles are expressly specified to have plural titles by [[WP:PLURAL]]. where guidance in [[WP:SINGULAR]] points to.  [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 12:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
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+[[:Chinese Americans]] → {{no redirect|Chinese American}} – Conform to [[WP:SINGULAR]]&nbsp;[[User:Caorongjin|Caorongjin]] ([[User talk:Caorongjin|talk]]) 08:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
+:<small>Moved from technical request ([[Special:Permalink/845965808|permalink]]). I learnt that articles about nations/ethnic groups/tribes don't usually obey [[WP:SINGULAR]]. Cf. [[Americans]], [[Germans]] and [[African Americans]]. –[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 11:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:NCET]]. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 11:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
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+== "Chinese Americans in Atlanta" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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+An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect [[Chinese Americans in Atlanta]]. Please participate in [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 21#Chinese Americans in Atlanta|the redirect discussion]] if you wish to do so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
+== Fabrickator revert of 8 May 2020 ==
+I've reverted this article back to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Americans&oldid=953552725 20:21, 27 April 2020‎ edit by Cyfal], with some additional edits.
+Here's what's being reverted:
+* the drop of Malaysia from portal bar
+** 23% of Malaysian population is Chinese, when these Malaysians come to America, I presume they may be considered as Chinese-Americans, which would seem to justify including Malaysia on the portal bar.
+* the drop of reference to "Standard Chinese", based on a claim that "SC is not a language"
+** I'm going to call this bogus.  There are different forms of the Chinese language, and one of those forms (evidently Mandarin) is considered the "standard" form.
+* the the drop of paragraph about Chinese who identify as Jewish
+** This topic seems to have quite a bit of coverage.  I've added some relevant citations, providing some fair support for these claims.  Feel free to improve on my efforts. [[User:Fabrickator|Fabrickator]] ([[User talk:Fabrickator|talk]]) 05:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
+== Expansion in "History" Section on Chinese Women Migrants ==
+Hi Wikipedians,
+I plan on making some changes to this Wiki page and wanted to inform you all before I make them. There's some information missing in the section titled "History" about the experiences of Chinese Women migrants. They're not mentioned at all, so I plan on adding information about the topic. I do not plan on removing any information or rearranging anything. I plan on adding information following the third paragraph in this section, as it will fit nicely following the information provided on the Gold Rush. I will talk about the experiences that Chinese women migrants had in America in the nineteenth century. For example, many went through stricter background checks than Chinese men, when they arrived to America. They were interrogated for days and asked intrusive questions about their family lives. Chinese women were also prevented in large numbers from legally immigrating to the United States, which lead to an imbalanced sex ratio among Chinese American populations. Once these women had been approved and let into the country, they experienced new hardships. Many Chinese women were coerced into prostitution, with over 60% of the adult Chinese women living in California in 1870 working in the trade. I gathered this information from a book chapter titled "Nineteenth Century Immigration: Chinese Women Came to the Gold Mountain” which is found in Huping Ling's book titled ''Surviving on the Gold Mountain : A History of Chinese American Women and Their Lives''. This source is reliable as the book was published by State University of New York Press, a reliable publisher, in 1998. The author, Ling Huping, is a professor at Truman State University in Kirksville, Missouri. She also founded the Asian studies program at the university. Altogether I'll add between 200 and 300 words to the "History" section. If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page! [[User:Chris3348|Chris3348]] ([[User talk:Chris3348|talk]]) 02:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
+== Uncited text in intro ==
+I've moved this uncited text from the intro. Feel free to move it back with citations: "About half or more of the Chinese ethnic people in the U.S. in the 1980s had roots in Taishan, Guangdong, a city in southern China near the major city of Guangzhou. In general, much of the Chinese population before the 1990s consisted of Cantonese or Taishanese-speaking people from southern China, predominately from Guangdong province. During the 1980s, more Mandarin-speaking immigrants from Northern China and Taiwan immigrated to the U.S. The Chinese population in much of the 1800s and 1990s was almost entirely contained to the Western U.S., especially California and Nevada, as well as New York City. Chinese immigrants and their descendants generally lived in Chinatowns (especially the ones in San Francisco and New York), or Chinese populated districts in downtowns of major cities." [[User:PRRfan|PRRfan]] ([[User talk:PRRfan|talk]]) [[User:PRRfan|PRRfan]] ([[User talk:PRRfan|talk]]) 02:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
+:I've added it back with some citations. The first half has a lot of evidence to it (and is a summary of the rest of the article's information), the latter half seems true but may be frustrated by vague terminology (how many is "generally"?) and should also probably mention non-city Chinatowns like San Marino.  [[User:Calabax|Calabax]] ([[User talk:Calabax|talk]]) 00:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
+== Reorganization ==
+This article is a confusing mishmash of many different cultures and histories all mixed together. The primary problem is organization.
+The "History" section is about 19th century Chinese-American West Coast history. This is undeniably relevant to the status of Chinese Americans today, but is described in greater detail than necessary for a page that is meant for "Chinese Americans" in general.
+The "Demographics" section focuses on the demographics and statistics of East Coast Chinatowns, and could use some more history instead of just statistics.
+The "Modern Immigration" section, previously named Immigration, is a relatively tiny section with information about immigration after the PRC opened China, which began in the 1980s. It's part of the reason there's a big cultural difference between the early wave and later waves of Chinese immigration, because there's literally hundreds of years of economic level, cultural difference, and degrees of assimilation between the them.
+The "Socioeconomics" section is focused on 1980s+ Chinese American international students. It, unlike the previous sections, also cites many more individual news articles rather than research studies, and seems to be focused on students rather than the holistic Chinese population. How many students are immigrating? From where are they from? It makes many statements such as "With their above average educational attainment rates, Chinese Americans from all socioeconomic backgrounds have achieved significant advances in their educational levels, income, life expectancy, and other social indicators" which is obviously less applicable to Chinese Americans that came to America because their ancestors "mined for gold and performed menial labor" as stated earlier in the article.
+Many of the studies are from 2000-2010 textbooks, and should be updated with research from 2010-recent.
+The Chinese Americans page length right now is 145,592 bytes. The article on Irish diaspora is 142,657 bytes. However, Chinese Americans article is much more confusing than the lrish diaspora article. The Irish diaspora article links to relevant historical events driving immigration such as the Great Famine, and immigrant conflicts such as the Irish American slang, which I would like to see the Chinese American versions of.  [[User:Calabax|Calabax]] ([[User talk:Calabax|talk]]) 20:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
+:I propose more categories so we can maintain the Chinese Americans page as a useful hub page for Chinese Americans, instead of this mishmash of different waves of immigration. Do not delete information, or remove uncited text, but move it onto pages where it fits better and create links between articles. We don't want the new Chinese to overwrite the old Chinese, and we don't want the old Chinese to overwrite the new Chinese.  [[User:Calabax|Calabax]] ([[User talk:Calabax|talk]]) 20:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)