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Talks with Old English Cricketers

Pullin's famous book Talks with Old English Cricketers is now available online here. JH (talk page) 18:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"His father, having been rector of Tintern,^[1] was ordained in 1875 and moved to Yorkshire as a curate." Surely that can't have events in the right order? Shouldn't it be ordained, curate, rector? Also Swanton's description of sharing a pressbox with Pullin seems to me to be worth retaining. JH (talk page) 10:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very likely this is the wrong way round, but I've still a bit more to add, and want to restructure this a bit with half-an-eye on FAC if I can make it comprehensive enough. And the Swanton quote will be going back in, too. Sarastro1 (talk) 13:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few general comments

This is a very worthwhile article; I'm pleased to see something which, although strongly themed in cricket, isn't just a career account but tells us something about the lot of the ex-cricketer a century ago, when his day was done. I think the article is still being developed, so I haven't given it a full review, but here are a few general comments/suggestions:

Per my talkpage, I checked to see if Derek Birley's Social History Of English Cricket made any mention of Pullin and his concerns for destitute cricketers. Unfortunately it doesn't. I think the main problem in bringing this article to featured standard will be lack of reliable sources.
Here are a few areas of the article in which I think more detail is necessary, assuming that sources can be found:

Early life – more details of his childhood and schooling, something more on the "family background in rugby union"
Career details are very light - the section would be better headed "Career summary". Is he mentioned in the memoirs of players other than Hutton?
Do we have dates for his directorship of Leeds City FC? The club was the centre of a sporting scandal - it got kicked out of the league mid-season, in 1919, because of financial irregularities. Was Pullin involved with the club at the time?
I'd like some clarification on his "retirement"; he seems to have retired but carried on working. Perhaps he continued on a freelance basis?

More generally, I think the lead will need to be expanded to meet FAC requirements, and it would be nice to have at leadt one more image. Brianboulton (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the check; it is more-or-less what I expected. I'll see what I can find, but I think FAC may be a no-go for this one at the moment. Cheers! Sarastro1 (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Talks with Old English Cricketers ==
 Pullin's famous book ''Talks with Old English Cricketers'' is now available online [http://archive.org/details/talkswitholdeng00pullgoog here]. JH ([[User talk:Jhall1|talk page]]) 18:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 == Latest edits ==
 "His father, having been rector of [[Tintern]],<ref name=YP/> was [[Ordination|ordained]] in 1875 and moved to Yorkshire as a [[curate]]." Surely that can't have events in the right order? Shouldn't it be ordained, curate, rector? Also Swanton's description of sharing a pressbox with Pullin seems to me to be worth retaining. JH ([[User talk:Jhall1|talk page]]) 10:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+:Very likely this is the wrong way round, but I've still a bit more to add, and want to restructure this a bit with half-an-eye on FAC if I can make it comprehensive enough. And the Swanton quote will be going back in, too. [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 13:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+== A few general comments ==
+This is a very worthwhile article; I'm pleased to see something which, although strongly themed in cricket, isn't just a career account but tells us something about the lot of the ex-cricketer a century ago, when his day was done. I think the article is still being developed, so I haven't given it a full review, but here are a few general comments/suggestions:
+*Per my talkpage, I checked to see if Derek Birley's ''Social History Of English Cricket'' made any mention of Pullin and his concerns for destitute cricketers. Unfortunately it doesn't.  I think the main problem in bringing this article to featured standard will be lack of reliable sources.
+*Here are a few areas of the article in which I think more detail is necessary, assuming that sources can be found:
+:*Early life – more details of his childhood and schooling, something more on the "family background in rugby union"
+:*Career details are very light - the section would be better headed "Career summary". Is he mentioned in the memoirs of players other than Hutton?
+:*Do we have dates for his directorship of Leeds City FC?  The club was the centre of a sporting scandal - it got kicked out of the league mid-season, in 1919, because of financial irregularities. Was Pullin involved with the club at the time?
+:*I'd like some clarification on his "retirement"; he seems to have retired but carried on working. Perhaps he continued on a freelance basis?
+More generally, I think the lead will need to be expanded to meet FAC requirements, and it would be nice to have at leadt one more image. [[User:Brianboulton|Brianboulton]] ([[User talk:Brianboulton|talk]]) 19:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
+:Thanks for the check; it is more-or-less what I expected. I'll see what I can find, but I think FAC may be a no-go for this one at the moment. Cheers! [[User:Sarastro1|Sarastro1]] ([[User talk:Sarastro1|talk]]) 20:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)