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Wikipedia rule about Kabuki actors name order ?

In the introductory paragraph there is this quote: ^[1]

The quote has no sense since it is associated with the civil name and not the artist name, also the actor himself uses the western ordering when writing his name^[2]. I'm therefore updating text to write the actor name in the western order and let the usual Japanese names ordering show with the translation of the name written in Japanese.

Of course if this "ordering rule" for Kabuki actors is really something (where?) that's what we should use as a reference. I would challenge it given the behavior of the actor themselves on the ground of readability and consistency. Slb 13:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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^ While the stage names of all kabuki actors have retained traditional order (Surname-Givenname) on Wikipedia, birth names of those born after the Meiji Restoration are in Western order (Givenname-Surname).
^ http://www.shidou.jp/

[namingnote-1] While the stage names of all kabuki actors have retained traditional order (Surname-Givenname) on Wikipedia, birth names of those born after the Meiji Restoration are in Western order (Givenname-Surname).

[2] ttp://www.shidou.jp/

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-I need help. What's 小川幹弘 romanized? (Okawa something?)
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-*I've added the romanization to the current page.  Hope this helps!  -[[User:Rikoshi|Rikoshi]] 17:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
+=== Wikipedia rule about Kabuki actors name order ? ===
-== The name ==
+In the introductory paragraph there is this quote: <ref name=namingnote>While the stage names of all kabuki actors have retained traditional order (Surname-Givenname) on Wikipedia, birth names of those born after the [[Meiji Restoration]] are in Western order (Givenname-Surname).</ref>
+The quote has no sense since it is associated with the civil name and not the artist name, also the actor himself uses the western ordering when writing his name<ref>http://www.shidou.jp/</ref>. I'm therefore updating text to write the actor name in the western order and let the usual Japanese names ordering show with the translation of the name written in Japanese.
-Shouldn't we move the article to [[Shidō Nakamura|Shid'''ō''' Nakamura]] (currently a redirect here) because that's its real name? [[User:Cristan|Cristan]] 00:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
+Of course if this "ordering rule" for Kabuki actors is really something (where?) that's what we should use as a reference. I would challenge it given the behavior of the actor themselves on the ground of readability and consistency. Slb 13:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
-:I've redirected this page to [[Shidō Nakamura]] to comply with western order, as Wikipedia should use Japanese names in Western order. [[User:Sjones23|Greg]] [[User talk:Sjones23|Jones]] [[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|II]] 16:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
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-::You simply made a [[Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages|cut and paste move]] and then blanked the page into a redirect, this is not permitted on Wikipedia. Your rationale is also incorrect, as the stage names of all '''kabuki actors''' must follow the '''Japanese name order''' per [[WP:MOS-JP]]; please read the manual of style before making contradictory moves. ···[[User:Ganryuu|<font color="olive">巌流</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Ganryuu|<font color="teal">talk to ganryuu</font>]] </small></sup> 00:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::Oh, sorry about that, Ganryuu. I did it by accident. [[User:Sjones23|Greg]] [[User talk:Sjones23|Jones]] [[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|II]] 20:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::I completely forgot about the kabuki actors' names how they should be in the Japanese name order. If that is the case, I apologize for my rationale above. [[User:Sjones23|Greg]] [[User talk:Sjones23|Jones]] [[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|II]] 20:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)