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Wasn't there a rally driver in the '50s also so-called? [[User:Trekphiler|Trekphiler]] 15:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
Wasn't there a rally driver in the '50s also so-called? [[User:Trekphiler|Trekphiler]] 15:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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==Proposed pagemove== |
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{{polltop}} '''Moved to Flying Finn (sports)'''. [[User:Duja|Duja]] 07:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC) |
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I'm planning on adding a little detail to the rallying side of this, and also adding a link to this page from the relevant articles. However, I think "(athlete)" is too specific to the runners. The article isn't really big enough to justify splitting into separate "(athlete)" and "(driver)" pages, so I propose renaming in order to represent athletes and drivers amore equitably. ''--[[User:DeLarge|DeLarge]] 09:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)'' |
I'm planning on adding a little detail to the rallying side of this, and also adding a link to this page from the relevant articles. However, I think "(athlete)" is too specific to the runners. The article isn't really big enough to justify splitting into separate "(athlete)" and "(driver)" pages, so I propose renaming in order to represent athletes and drivers amore equitably. ''--[[User:DeLarge|DeLarge]] 09:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)'' |
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*'''Support''' move. I thought the move from (term) to (athlete) didn't really improve the page title, as athlete, at least for many Europeans, means "track and field" [[Athletics (track and field)|athletics]] and not sportsmen in general. With more about rallying in the article, this move makes a lot of sense. [[User:Prolog|Prolog]] 11:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' move. I thought the move from (term) to (athlete) didn't really improve the page title, as athlete, at least for many Europeans, means "track and field" [[Athletics (track and field)|athletics]] and not sportsmen in general. With more about rallying in the article, this move makes a lot of sense. [[User:Prolog|Prolog]] 11:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - I think with s is best. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] 01:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' - I think with s is best. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] 01:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC) |
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*How about [[Flying Finn (nickname)]]? [[User:Recury|Recury]] 13:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC) |
*How about [[Flying Finn (nickname)]]? [[User:Recury|Recury]] 13:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== Shefki Kuqi == |
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Ok, the guy is not even a Fin, he's from Kosovo or wherever...why is he even included on the Flying Finns' list? [[User:Norum|Norum]] 03:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Requested move == |
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved''' per discussion. - [[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 02:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC) |
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[[Flying Finn (sports)]] → {{no redirect|1=Flying Finn}} – As the [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Flying_Finn_%28sports%29 page view statistics] now show, the sports term is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary meaning]] over the [[Flying Finn (airline)|short-lived airline]] named after it. The dab page is unnecessary and can be replaced with a hatnote. [[User:Prolog|Prolog]] ([[User talk:Prolog|talk]]) 21:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Oppose.''' Only by a mechanical application of policy and guidelines, blind to the actual needs of readers, could such a move begin to make sense. Nothing would be gained by dropping the qualifier, and immediate utility – in making the ''meaning'' clear – would be lost. <span style="color:blue;"><big>N</big><small>oetica</small></span><sup><small>[[User_talk:Noetica |Tea?]]</small></sup> 00:45, 22 October 2011 (UTC) |
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*Readers are the reason I'm proposing this move. Instead of the clear majority (75-85%) being taken directly to the article they are looking for, all currently have to go through a useless page. Two meanings, where one is primary over the other, can and should normally be dealt with by a simple hatnote. [[User:Prolog|Prolog]] ([[User talk:Prolog|talk]]) 19:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per Prolog. The sporting term is clearly the primary topic and this will benefit readers. Per [[WP:TWODABS]], if this article is moved, the dab page can be deleted and replaced with a hatnote. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 06:17, 23 October 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' move. With the move and an added hatnote, the people looking for the airline will get to the correct article with the same amount of clicks as they do now. The people looking for the sports term, however, will reach the correct article without having to go through a dab page. I don't see why the dab page is needed here at all. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 23:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', primary topic, qualifier doesn't seem particularly helpful anyway (even if we were to start using deliberately explanatory titles).--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] ([[User talk:Kotniski|talk]]) 07:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
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**Well, since there's no dispute as to what the primary topic is, I've replaced the dab page with a redirect to here and a hatnote from here. The only question remaining is whether [[Flying Finn]] should redirect to [[Flying Finn (sports)]] or vice versa (normal practice, and the majority view here, is for vice versa).--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] ([[User talk:Kotniski|talk]]) 07:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
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***In my experience a better solution for the dab page would be to move it under [[Flying Finn (disambiguation)]] and then delete it. That way the dab page remains easily restorable if at some point someone writes another article titled "Flying Finn (something)", and the history doesn't get mixed with the deleted revisions of this article. It's usually a good idea to keep the histories of unrelated pages separate. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 12:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== Pls add kalle rovanperä == |
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Yes [[User:Jamal62694|Jamal62694]] ([[User talk:Jamal62694|talk]]) 07:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Any sources calling him by the nickname? [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 11:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::Update: Now added with reference. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 22:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Opening heading
[edit]Wasn't there a rally driver in the '50s also so-called? Trekphiler 15:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Proposed pagemove
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was Moved to Flying Finn (sports). Duja 07:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm planning on adding a little detail to the rallying side of this, and also adding a link to this page from the relevant articles. However, I think "(athlete)" is too specific to the runners. The article isn't really big enough to justify splitting into separate "(athlete)" and "(driver)" pages, so I propose renaming in order to represent athletes and drivers amore equitably. --DeLarge 09:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support move. I thought the move from (term) to (athlete) didn't really improve the page title, as athlete, at least for many Europeans, means "track and field" athletics and not sportsmen in general. With more about rallying in the article, this move makes a lot of sense. Prolog 11:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support move. I would suggest "...(sports)" instead of "...(sport)" to avoid initial confusion about whether "Flying Finn" is a sport rather than a subject of sports. Peter O. (Talk) 03:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I think with s is best. -- Beardo 01:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- How about Flying Finn (nickname)? Recury 13:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Shefki Kuqi
[edit]Ok, the guy is not even a Fin, he's from Kosovo or wherever...why is he even included on the Flying Finns' list? Norum 03:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Requested move
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion. - GTBacchus(talk) 02:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Flying Finn (sports) → Flying Finn – As the page view statistics now show, the sports term is the primary meaning over the short-lived airline named after it. The dab page is unnecessary and can be replaced with a hatnote. Prolog (talk) 21:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. Only by a mechanical application of policy and guidelines, blind to the actual needs of readers, could such a move begin to make sense. Nothing would be gained by dropping the qualifier, and immediate utility – in making the meaning clear – would be lost. NoeticaTea? 00:45, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Readers are the reason I'm proposing this move. Instead of the clear majority (75-85%) being taken directly to the article they are looking for, all currently have to go through a useless page. Two meanings, where one is primary over the other, can and should normally be dealt with by a simple hatnote. Prolog (talk) 19:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support per Prolog. The sporting term is clearly the primary topic and this will benefit readers. Per WP:TWODABS, if this article is moved, the dab page can be deleted and replaced with a hatnote. Jenks24 (talk) 06:17, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support move. With the move and an added hatnote, the people looking for the airline will get to the correct article with the same amount of clicks as they do now. The people looking for the sports term, however, will reach the correct article without having to go through a dab page. I don't see why the dab page is needed here at all. Jafeluv (talk) 23:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support, primary topic, qualifier doesn't seem particularly helpful anyway (even if we were to start using deliberately explanatory titles).--Kotniski (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- Well, since there's no dispute as to what the primary topic is, I've replaced the dab page with a redirect to here and a hatnote from here. The only question remaining is whether Flying Finn should redirect to Flying Finn (sports) or vice versa (normal practice, and the majority view here, is for vice versa).--Kotniski (talk) 07:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- In my experience a better solution for the dab page would be to move it under Flying Finn (disambiguation) and then delete it. That way the dab page remains easily restorable if at some point someone writes another article titled "Flying Finn (something)", and the history doesn't get mixed with the deleted revisions of this article. It's usually a good idea to keep the histories of unrelated pages separate. Jafeluv (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- Well, since there's no dispute as to what the primary topic is, I've replaced the dab page with a redirect to here and a hatnote from here. The only question remaining is whether Flying Finn should redirect to Flying Finn (sports) or vice versa (normal practice, and the majority view here, is for vice versa).--Kotniski (talk) 07:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Pls add kalle rovanperä
[edit]Yes Jamal62694 (talk) 07:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Any sources calling him by the nickname? TylerBurden (talk) 11:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Now added with reference. TylerBurden (talk) 22:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)