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== Reference [6][7][8] ==
== Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi is actually died ==

I am surprized to see that you people are fighting over the death of Gohar Shahi, which happened a long time. There are several references to prove this:
#[http://www.gatewaytodivinemercy.com/scholars/shaykh-muhammad-hanif-haqqani-kareemi.html Check this link]
#[http://www.statestimes.com/2010/2010/04/24/the-conspiracy-against-riaz-ahmed-gohar-shahi/ 2nd source]
If you have any further question, please don't hesitate to ask.--[[Special:Contributions/119.160.56.245|119.160.56.245]] ([[User talk:119.160.56.245|talk]]) 11:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

:I'm afraid those won't do, as they are vague and not sourced. Letters to the editor are not reliable. Do you have any other references, such as an article in a newspaper that covers his death? --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 13:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed- per Nuujinn. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 16:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::But this is something we should work on. I'm pretty sure he did die, myself. --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 17:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help and comment but how can I agree with dispute over death of Shahi, when I myself have been to his tomb and provided many resources pertaining to over issue. You can look and decide yourself, what I am saying is true or not:
#[http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/49997ae7d.pdf A report by the UNHCR, shahi death is mentioned here but the date is different]
#[http://www.statestimes.com/2010/2010/04/24/the-conspiracy-against-riaz-ahmed-gohar-shahi/ An article, which discussed conspiracies against Shahi]
* The Pakistani Press Foundation says Shahi was buried in 2001
* The Sunday Telegraph claims Shahi died in 2003
Awaiting your swift response.
I am searching more references on that, meanwhile, may I request you to add information from above mentioned sources or restore deleted section. All these sources confirms death of Shahi. Regards,--[[Special:Contributions/119.160.26.216|119.160.26.216]] ([[User talk:119.160.26.216|talk]]) 17:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've already presented the UNHCR ref- all it says is that different sources say different things about Gohar Shahi's disappearance/death, and also mentions sources that say Gohar Shahi is alive ([http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Riaz_Ahmed_Gohar_Shahi#Riaz_Ahmed_Gohar_Shahi_is_actually_died Discussion over this on the Simple English Wikipedia]). I suppose, though, that we can just attribute it in the "Disappearance" section. We could just say that "According to PP, Shahi was buried in 2001 while the Sunday Telgraph says Shahi died in 2003" or something along these lines. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 17:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::That sounds appropriate to me, since we would be sticking to what the sources claim. Do we have links to those articles? --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 17:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
{{done}} + included date for claims already mentioned in the section. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 18:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:I just linked the UNHCR report for now. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 18:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I took the liberty of redoing that section--I broke it into two subsections, one treating the beliefs of his followers and the other covering the press reports we have. Also did some copy edits. Feel free to revert if it doesn't suit. I think it's pretty well sourced now. --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 18:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:Well done. I think its pretty good now :), and more neutral. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 19:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20020210.htm This article], it states that '''The sentences are said to total 59 years. An appeal was filed in the High Court of Sindh and before it could be decided, Goharshahi died and the case was 'abated'''', the case is only abated in case of death only. Shahi was a Pakistani personality and I am a Pakistani and Omi has never been to Pakistan, how come he say when Government is abating case. It only possible when a party dies. Let me tell you that the Dawn is number one English News Paper of Pakistan and its text is reliable in all the aspects. Moreover, the email address of [http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20020210.htm This article]'s author is there, you can simply email and ask. It means that above reference is most reliable as it is published and verifiable.--[[Special:Contributions/116.71.6.58|116.71.6.58]] ([[User talk:116.71.6.58|talk]]) 13:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::How can you claim that [[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]] has never been to Pakistan? Besides that, there have been many reliable articles saying many sorts of things, for example the PTI Article says that though Shahi was sentenced to a total of 59 years, Shahi fled Pakistan and is present in the UK, and this is backed by numerous articles, and on the other hand there are articles saying that he may have died in 2001, 2003, 2006 etc, and it is quite messy. You see, if we had this conversation as peacefully as we're having it right now a few months back, wouldn't it have been so much more 'less-abusive'? In the presence of numerous articles stating that Shahi is present in the UK, and odd articles here and there claiming he had died 'somewhat "then", it seems more sensible and neutral to state that Shahi may still be alive, and very likely to have disappeared, as he has been reported to have been in the UK before his "disappearance". -- <span style="border:1px solid red;font-size:100%;background:white">[[User:Nasiryounus|<font color="red">&nbsp;<b>Dhulfikar</b>&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Nasiryounus|<span style="background:red;color:white">&nbsp;chat?&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
: I don't think it really matters anyway. 116.... the editorial you mentioned is already used as a reference in the article and is attributed to the author. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 23:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Sahsan73, 25 May 2010 ==

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There is a false claim in this article regarding Dr. Tahir ul Qadri as praising this Gohar Shahi. This is baseless and false. I want to remove this reference from this article as it is misleading.

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[[User:Sahsan73|Sahsan73]] ([[User talk:Sahsan73|talk]]) 05:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:So, I suppose you mean the part that says, {{xt|...and Tahir-ul-Qadri praised Shahi.}} in the section called "Sufi views".

:The reference given was a YouTube video.

:As YouTube is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], I have removed the 'facts' that were referenced by it, which I will paste here, below, for reference;

However, some Sufis, including [[Hisham Kabbani|Muhammad Hisham Kabbani]], [[Nazim al-Qubrusi]], and [[Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri|Tahir-ul-Qadri]] praised Shahi.When meeting Shahi, Kabbani sat at his feet.

:Ref was [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2656570065128302013&q=source:012300218563303633200 This Google video].

:Thanks, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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As given subject/headline, Anjuman Sarfroshan e Islam (ASI) is not banned in Pakistan. It is registered with Government of Pakistan. Jang News used the word "Kaladam" without any proof and used hypothetical sentences. There is no difference among the family of His Holiness Riaz Ahmad Gohar Shahi and central command of ASI. A number of protests has been arranged accompanied with family members to arrest the accused culprits. ASI has been setup and organized by His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi while Mahdi Foundation came into existence in order to destroy the cause of His Holiness. The proof has been given on the front page of official website of ASI. <ref>www.asipak.com</ref> <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gohar6692|Gohar6692]] ([[User talk:Gohar6692|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gohar6692|contribs]]) 04:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Im sorry if my edits seemed promotional, as I didnt intend them to be that way, so Ive changed some of the wording, and all that Ive edited, Ive added references to them, though they may not be 3rd party-refs sometimes. I also made constructive edits in the recent edits, which [[User:Scientizzle|Scientizzle]] reverted, so to that, I just want to say, that if you intended to remove the promotional edits, you shouldve only removed what you thought was promotional, rather than the constructive edits (i.e. the references that i put into the right places). - [[User:mfi.media|MFI Media]]|<i>[[User:mfi.media/talk|Correspond]]</i> 17:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:I just rolled back your edits. I'm [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]], but despite your intentions, the edits are quite promotional. Also, your user name may not conform to policy, would you be willing to change it? Please see [[Wikipedia:Username_policy#Company.2Fgroup_names]] for guidance on appropriate user names. It, as well as your user page, and these edits, taken together suggest you have a significant [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], and wikipedia policy strongly discourages editing pages in which you have a strong personal interest. You might consider proposing edits here on the talk page for discussion, this article has been a site of some contention in the past. --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 18:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hello. Using words like "Most Prominent in the World" seems promotional, especially when the reference provided is from an MFI website. Yes, perhaps you should consult with us about changes you want to make to the article, especially if you are not 100% sure its not promotional. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 18:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Do i have to make a new user name, or can I just change my the user name somehow? - [[User:mfi.media|MFI Media]]|<i>[[User:mfi.media/talk|Correspond]]</i> 21:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::See [[Wikipedia:Changing_username]] for guidance on user names. --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 22:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


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== Biased biography by his followers : Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2020 ==
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{{edit semi-protected|Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi|answered=yes}}
Regards, ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC).
Gohar Shahi has been declared infidel by all sects and divisions of Islam unianimously. Gohar's disciple Yunus is accused of distorting meanings of Quran and quoting fabricated and false Hadith to justify their views. He also claimed Gohar as God. [[Special:Contributions/103.237.76.18|103.237.76.18]] ([[User talk:103.237.76.18|talk]]) 03:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:Recently there hasn't really been many inappropriate edits/vandalism (perhaps due to the fact that the article ''is'' semi-protected), so I don't know if this is really necessary. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 19:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596;">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|Say hi!]])</small> 08:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC) www.asiinternationals.com www.asipak.com


== Dead or disappeared ==
== Sons Of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi ==


Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi has five sons and one daughter. Gayas uddin Babar, Talat Mahmood, Hammad Riaz, Syed Gufran Shah, Syed Mudasir Shah and Syeda Nazo Bibi. Younas gohar not a son of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. Younas gohar is an opponent of the teaching of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. he creates MFI foundation in 2001 to degrade the personality of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.
Let's not get into an edit war about this, can we find a compromise? Source vary as to what happened, and we ''must'' follow the sources. So my feeling is we have to say both. As for the templates, I'm not sure what to do since there is disagreement amoung those who say he died as to the date. What do others think? --<span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texthtml">[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User_talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 13:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, we could say both (but isn't that already mentioned in the "Disappearance or death" section?). As for the template, I think its okay as it is because of the disagreement regarding the date and whether he is actually dead. But we should hear others' opinions as well. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 20:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I too agree. It is mentioned in the section regarding this, and I suppose that's fine. According to the sources, many dates have been given, and then there is great possibility of him still being alive, so we cannot determine any date. - <span style="border:1px solid red;font-size:100%;background:white">[[User:Nasiryounus|<font color="red">&nbsp;<b>Dhulfikar</b>&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Nasiryounus|<span style="background:red;color:white">&nbsp;chat?&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 21:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2023 ==
I note the article's currently categorised in "Living people". Would [[:category:Possibly living people|Possibly living people]] be more appropriate, or [[:category:Missing people|Missing people]]? [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 21:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:My !vote would be missing people--dead or occluded, he's missing for sure. <span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texthtml">--[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User_talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 21:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


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::This would be my preference too, I think. "Living people", whilst I can see the justification for including it, seems to be taking too firm an editorial line on something which is generally nuanced in the text.
Remove: "while others, such as Hisham Kabbani, have sat at his feet as well as praised him.[27]"
:::I tend to agree. Your idea seems like a very sensible compromise given the unusual nature of the situation. <span style="text-shadow:#DDDDDD 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texthtml">--[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User_talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 23:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:I agree as well, I think including him in both [[:category:Missing people|Missing people]] and [[:category:Possibly living people|Possibly living people]] is more appropriate. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 20:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::Looking at the documentation, it seems PLP is for "people who we think might be dead due to having been born a long time ago", whilst MP is for people who we would not ordinarily assume might be dead simply due to age, but who we *know* to have vanished for other reasons. I'm not sure categorising in both is the best approach. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 20:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks for clarifying. I think it would be best to go with "missing people" as well then. <i><b><font color="#32B430">[[User:Omirocksthisworld|Omirocksthisworld]]</font></b></i>(<font color="#1A74E2">[[User talk:Omirocksthisworld|Drop a line]]</font>) 21:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Excellent. I've made the change, since there doesn't seem to be any objection. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 22:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


Or change it to "while others have sat at his feet as well as praised him."
==Broken article==
This article was clearly either written or deteriorated by adherents of this movement.
It fails entorely to give historical perspective, objective references, or even evidence of notability.
It isn't even clear how much of this movement existed prior to 2002, and whether these Messianic claims were made during Shahi's lifetime, or if they are simply a result of religious hysteria following his disappearance and/or death.


The claim that Shaykh Hisham sat at his feet and praised him is false beyond doubt, as can be seen from Shaykh Hisham's official page: https://eshaykh.com/doctrine/about-gohar-shahi/ [[User:33musawi|33musawi]] ([[User talk:33musawi|talk]]) 02:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
The article badly needs to be pruned of primary sources, and put on whatever reliable sources we can find.
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I have severe doubts on the overall notability of this.
I find ''one single'' google news hit for "Gohar Shahi",[http://www.hindustantimes.com/55-Pakistanis-considered-for-grant-of-asylum/Article1-758145.aspx] about a case of 55 Pakistani adherents of this "minority sect" who burned their passports and propose their adherence to Goharism as grounds for political asylum.
It is completely unclear how many adherents this movement has, and whether its "international" aspect is real or an online chimera. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 11:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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Former good article nomineeRiaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Reference [6][7][8]

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As given subject/headline, Anjuman Sarfroshan e Islam (ASI) is not banned in Pakistan. It is registered with Government of Pakistan. Jang News used the word "Kaladam" without any proof and used hypothetical sentences. There is no difference among the family of His Holiness Riaz Ahmad Gohar Shahi and central command of ASI. A number of protests has been arranged accompanied with family members to arrest the accused culprits. ASI has been setup and organized by His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi while Mahdi Foundation came into existence in order to destroy the cause of His Holiness. The proof has been given on the front page of official website of ASI. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gohar6692 (talk • contribs) 04:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Gohar Shahi has been declared infidel by all sects and divisions of Islam unianimously. Gohar's disciple Yunus is accused of distorting meanings of Quran and quoting fabricated and false Hadith to justify their views. He also claimed Gohar as God. 103.237.76.18 (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC) www.asiinternationals.com www.asipak.com[reply]

Sons Of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

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Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi has five sons and one daughter. Gayas uddin Babar, Talat Mahmood, Hammad Riaz, Syed Gufran Shah, Syed Mudasir Shah and Syeda Nazo Bibi. Younas gohar not a son of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. Younas gohar is an opponent of the teaching of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. he creates MFI foundation in 2001 to degrade the personality of Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2023

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Remove: "while others, such as Hisham Kabbani, have sat at his feet as well as praised him.[27]"

Or change it to "while others have sat at his feet as well as praised him."

The claim that Shaykh Hisham sat at his feet and praised him is false beyond doubt, as can be seen from Shaykh Hisham's official page: https://eshaykh.com/doctrine/about-gohar-shahi/ 33musawi (talk) 02:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callmemirela 🍁 03:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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