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== Copyright and advertising issues == |
== Copyright and advertising issues == |
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Apart from a spelling fix (''dependant'' -> ''dependent'') and the removal of paragraph breaks, the sections about the ''[[G. Schirmer#History of the company|History of the company]]'' and ''[[G. Schirmer#Composers published by the company|Composers published by the company]]'' appear to be word-for-word copies from [http://www.schirmer.com/Default.aspx?tabId=2553 History of G. Schirmer]—which clearly displays the note "Copyright © 2006 G. Schirmer, Inc. and Associated Music Publishers, Inc." Since this could be a [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violation]], and one which I don't have time to fix right now, I'm bringing it to the attention of those with an interest in the article. A tag was recently added because of concerns about [[WP:NPOV|point of view]] and [[WP:NOTADVERTISING|advertising style]], so some expeditious rewriting should help to address all of these issues. —[[User:Error -128|Error -128]] ([[User talk:Error -128|talk]]) 18:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC) |
Apart from a spelling fix (''dependant'' -> ''dependent'') and the removal of paragraph breaks, the sections about the ''[[G. Schirmer#History of the company|History of the company]]'' and ''[[G. Schirmer#Composers published by the company|Composers published by the company]]'' appear to be word-for-word copies from [http://www.schirmer.com/Default.aspx?tabId=2553 History of G. Schirmer]—which clearly displays the note "Copyright © 2006 G. Schirmer, Inc. and Associated Music Publishers, Inc." Since this could be a [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violation]], and one which I don't have time to fix right now, I'm bringing it to the attention of those with an interest in the article. A tag was recently added because of concerns about [[WP:NPOV|point of view]] and [[WP:NOTADVERTISING|advertising style]], so some expeditious rewriting should help to address all of these issues. —[[User:Error -128|Error -128]] ([[User talk:Error -128|talk]]) 18:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:No response, so I'm reverting the edits concerned. Please feel free to reintroduce any material, suitably rewritten to address the above issues. Thanks. [[User:Error -128|Error -128]] ([[User talk:Error -128|talk]]) 01:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 15 August 2016 == |
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. '' |
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The result of the move request was: '''Moved''' with rough consensus. The oppose rationale was countered, and the request was supported after relisting. (note the existence of [[Nike, Inc.]], just FYI) <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 23:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC) |
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[[:G. Schirmer Inc.]] → {{no redirect|G. Schirmer, Inc.}} – The way it appears in their corporate logo [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 01:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC) <small>--'''''Relisting.''''' — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 02:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:CONSISTENCY]] with [[Apple Inc.]], [[Alphabet Inc.]], [[Dell Inc.]], etc. [[User talk:CookieMonster755|<b style="color:limegreen"><sup>Ḉɱ̍</sup></b>]] [[User:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:Gold">2nd anniv.</span>]] 01:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC) |
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*:Those are legal entities that have chosen to remove their commas at their official websites. We wouldn't change "X Co." to "X Co" or to "X Company"; or "X Bros." to "X Brothers" for consistency, because it is not their legal name. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 02:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - Per nom. [[User:Meatsgains|Meatsgains]] ([[User talk:Meatsgains|talk]]) 02:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', makes sense, --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== Female Composers Published by G. Schirmer, Inc. == |
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G. Schirmer, Inc. published the following female composers, whose names have been removed from the article: |
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* [[Geni Sadero]] (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=7iwhAQAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=RA2-PA170&dq=Geni+Sadero&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Geni ) |
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* [[Cora Decker Sargent]] (source: Stewart-Green, Miriam (1980). ''Women composers: A checklist of works for the solo voice''. A reference publication in women's studies. Boston, Mass: Hall. p. 63. [[ISBN (identifier)|ISBN]] [[Special:BookSources/978-0-8161-8498-9|978-0-8161-8498-9]].) |
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* [[Harriet P. Sawyer]] (source: Stewart-Green, Miriam (1980). ''Women composers: A checklist of works for the solo voice''. A reference publication in women's studies. Boston, Mass: Hall. p. 64. [[ISBN (identifier)|ISBN]] [[Special:BookSources/978-0-8161-8498-9|978-0-8161-8498-9]].) |
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* [[Margaret Vance Shelley]] (source: https://www.esm.rochester.edu/sibley/search/?cx=017635508489857654250:f_j2n8ddilk&cof=FORID:11&q=margaret+shelley+vance) |
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* [[Fannie Morris Spencer]] (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=TG0zAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA174&dq=fannie+morris+spencer+schirmer&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjd5ZmxzJiAAxVQEVkFHfpbCJAQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=fannie&f=false) |
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* [[Mabel Madison Watson]] (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=hQA8AQAAMAAJ&q=mabel+madison+watson&pg=PA300#v=snippet&q=mabel) p. 378 |
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* [[Mary Wiggins]] (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=tlEhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA570&dq=mary+wiggins+schirmer&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy0aqQ0ZiAAxXmMlkFHSW7BBgQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=mary%20wiggins%20schirmer&f=false) |
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[[User:T. E. Meeks|T. E. Meeks]] ([[User talk:T. E. Meeks|talk]]) 15:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:This article is not a list of the composers published under the company. The current individuals named are a small representative group of prominent names (which I've just trimmed further). Prominent female composers such as Frank, Tower and Du Yun already appear here. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">[[User:Aza24|<span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span>]][[User talk:Aza24|<span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span>]]</span>''' 16:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Copyright and advertising issues
[edit]Apart from a spelling fix (dependant -> dependent) and the removal of paragraph breaks, the sections about the History of the company and Composers published by the company appear to be word-for-word copies from History of G. Schirmer—which clearly displays the note "Copyright © 2006 G. Schirmer, Inc. and Associated Music Publishers, Inc." Since this could be a copyright violation, and one which I don't have time to fix right now, I'm bringing it to the attention of those with an interest in the article. A tag was recently added because of concerns about point of view and advertising style, so some expeditious rewriting should help to address all of these issues. —Error -128 (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- No response, so I'm reverting the edits concerned. Please feel free to reintroduce any material, suitably rewritten to address the above issues. Thanks. Error -128 (talk) 01:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Requested move 15 August 2016
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Moved with rough consensus. The oppose rationale was countered, and the request was supported after relisting. (note the existence of Nike, Inc., just FYI) (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 23:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
G. Schirmer Inc. → G. Schirmer, Inc. – The way it appears in their corporate logo Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 02:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:CONSISTENCY with Apple Inc., Alphabet Inc., Dell Inc., etc. Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 01:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Those are legal entities that have chosen to remove their commas at their official websites. We wouldn't change "X Co." to "X Co" or to "X Company"; or "X Bros." to "X Brothers" for consistency, because it is not their legal name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support - Per nom. Meatsgains (talk) 02:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support, makes sense, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Female Composers Published by G. Schirmer, Inc.
[edit]G. Schirmer, Inc. published the following female composers, whose names have been removed from the article:
- Geni Sadero (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=7iwhAQAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=RA2-PA170&dq=Geni+Sadero&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Geni )
- Cora Decker Sargent (source: Stewart-Green, Miriam (1980). Women composers: A checklist of works for the solo voice. A reference publication in women's studies. Boston, Mass: Hall. p. 63. ISBN 978-0-8161-8498-9.)
- Harriet P. Sawyer (source: Stewart-Green, Miriam (1980). Women composers: A checklist of works for the solo voice. A reference publication in women's studies. Boston, Mass: Hall. p. 64. ISBN 978-0-8161-8498-9.)
- Margaret Vance Shelley (source: https://www.esm.rochester.edu/sibley/search/?cx=017635508489857654250:f_j2n8ddilk&cof=FORID:11&q=margaret+shelley+vance)
- Fannie Morris Spencer (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=TG0zAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA174&dq=fannie+morris+spencer+schirmer&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjd5ZmxzJiAAxVQEVkFHfpbCJAQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=fannie&f=false)
- Mabel Madison Watson (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=hQA8AQAAMAAJ&q=mabel+madison+watson&pg=PA300#v=snippet&q=mabel) p. 378
- Mary Wiggins (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=tlEhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA570&dq=mary+wiggins+schirmer&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy0aqQ0ZiAAxXmMlkFHSW7BBgQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=mary%20wiggins%20schirmer&f=false)
T. E. Meeks (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- This article is not a list of the composers published under the company. The current individuals named are a small representative group of prominent names (which I've just trimmed further). Prominent female composers such as Frank, Tower and Du Yun already appear here. Aza24 (talk) 16:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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