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==Reason for creation== |
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I created this article as the player achieves [[WP:GNG]] (significant coverage), he has been called up to the full Wales squad and could become their youngest ever international player, as a result I considered that he is notable. [[User:TheBigJagielka|TheBigJagielka]] ([[User talk:TheBigJagielka|talk]]) 21:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
I created this article as the player achieves [[WP:GNG]] (significant coverage), he has been called up to the full Wales squad and could become their youngest ever international player, as a result I considered that he is notable. [[User:TheBigJagielka|TheBigJagielka]] ([[User talk:TheBigJagielka|talk]]) 21:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== Requested move |
== Requested move 8 October 2021 == |
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|current1=Harry Wilson (footballer, born 1997)|new1=Harry Kirby|current2=Matt Lawton|new2=Jonathan Field (baseballer)|current3=Jack Sock|new3=Jack Sock (lion tamer)|current4=Jack Cork|new4=Jack Cork (lion tamer)|current5=Joe Hart|new5=Joe Hart (infielder)|current6=Joe Hart (politician)|new6=Joe Hart (soccer)|current7=Matthew Lowton|new7=Jonathan Field (footballer)|current8=Jai Rodriguez|new8=Noah Waters|current9=Jay Rodriguez|new9=Noah Watters|current10=Graham Potter|new10=Harry Potter (footballer)|current11=Kepa Arrizabalaga|new11=Kepa Arrizabalaga (manager)|current12=James Tarkowski|new12=Jay Bridgeman|current13=Phil Bardsley|new13=Phil Dixon|current14=Tanya Bardsley|new14=Alida Watters|current15=Karen Bardsley|new15=Karen Field|current16=Scott Brown (footballer, born June 1985)|new16=Scott Brown (lego muncher)|current17=Matt Lawton (journalist)|new17=Jonathan Field (journalist)|current18=Josh Brownhill|new18=Rory Bridgeman||help=off}} |
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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus.''' Both YOB and nationality are valid disambiguators per [[WP:NCSP]]. The argument for YOB is [[WP:CONSISTENCY]], the argument for nationality seems to be that it is a more natural disambiguation. Given equally valid arguments and about equal number !votes of votes, there is no consensus at this time. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 01:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Matt Lawton]] → {{no redirect|Jonathan Field (baseballer)}} |
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* [[:Jack Sock]] → {{no redirect|Jack Sock (lion tamer)}} |
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[[:Harry Wilson (footballer, born 1997)]] → {{no redirect|Harry Wilson (Welsh footballer)}} – Out of the other Harry Wilsons who are footballers, only this one is Welsh and people are likely to identify his nationality better than the year of birth. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 21:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Jack Cork]] → {{no redirect|Jack Cork (lion tamer)}} |
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:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related page moves. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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* [[:Joe Hart]] → {{no redirect|Joe Hart (infielder)}} |
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*'''Oppose''' - renaming this to nationality whilst all the other are YOB would be confusing & not assist with navigation. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Joe Hart (politician)]] → {{no redirect|Joe Hart (soccer)}} |
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:There is a [[Harry Wilson (Scottish footballer)]] page however, unlike all others, the YOB on that page is unknown. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 15:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Matthew Lowton]] → {{no redirect|Jonathan Field (footballer)}} |
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*'''Support''' per [[WP:NCSP#Association football (soccer)|WP:NCSP]]. Most conclusive and easiest to identify disambiguation given there is one Irish, one Welsh, one Scottish and two English footballers with the name Harry Wilson would be to use nationality as the primary disambiguation. [[User:Stevie fae Scotland|Stevie fae Scotland]] ([[User talk:Stevie fae Scotland|talk]]) 10:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Jai Rodriguez]] → {{no redirect|Noah Waters}} |
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*'''Support''' I would probably have opposed this 5 years ago as his nationality wasn't common knowledge but he's established in the national side now so I have no problems with this one. [[User:REDMAN 2019|<span style="color:#daa520">REDMAN 2019</span>]] ([[User talk:REDMAN 2019|<span style="color:#c0c0c0">talk</span>]]) 16:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Jay Rodriguez]] → {{no redirect|Noah Watters}} |
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*'''Comment''' whether this is moved or not, there should be [[WP:CONSISTENCY]]. Either use the nationality or the year of birth. [[User:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:#0099ff">cookie monster</span>]] [[User talk:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:Orange"><small>755</small></span>]] 17:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Graham Potter]] → {{no redirect|Harry Potter (footballer)}} |
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*'''Oppose'''. We disambiguate footballers by year of birth. No point making an exception to this standard for one individual. Especially since he plays his club football in England. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 13:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Kepa Arrizabalaga]] → {{no redirect|Kepa Arrizabalaga (manager)}} |
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:*If anyone recalls the first RM discussion on [[Talk:Jota (Spanish footballer)]], Struway2 pointed out that nationality would be "more conclusive disambiguator" - also from the [[WP:NCSP#Association football (soccer)|relevant naming convension]], the first point, point a), suggests that is the first way to decide the outcome. I also agree with REDMAN 2019 re "established in the national side" as well. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 21:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:James Tarkowski]] → {{no redirect|Jay Bridgeman}} |
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::* I actually find that really annoying what was done there. I have to search "Jota Peleteiro" to find him. Peleteiro is the most important part of his name and it's not even in the title. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 11:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Phil Bardsley]] → {{no redirect|Phil Dixon}} |
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:::* It appears in that case "Jota" is the common name in the English media though the Spanish media calls him "Jota Peleteiro". [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 21:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Tanya Bardsley]] → {{no redirect|Alida Watters}} |
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*'''Oppose''' No need to go messing with the norm naming convention. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 11:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Karen Bardsley]] → {{no redirect|Karen Field}} |
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*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 13:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Scott Brown (footballer, born June 1985)]] → {{no redirect|Scott Brown (lego muncher)}} |
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*'''Comment''': it looks like from what I've seen here for the first time in a few days that we have a balanced view of the title staying as it is or moving it to nationality DAB. The [[WP:NCSP#Association football (soccer)|relevant naming convension]] could be the factor if we move the article this year or another. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 21:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:Matt Lawton (journalist)]] → {{no redirect|Jonathan Field (journalist)}} |
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* [[:Josh Brownhill]] → {{no redirect|Rory Bridgeman}} |
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– They have all changed their names from their old names to the new ones in this discussion or they have other professional occupation. This time, every pages listed (old or new) '''must''' be moved without delay because I can't do it myself at the moment because I do not have a move tab on the top of my Wikipedia page tab. Initially, someone changed [[Matthew Lowton]] to [[Jonathan Field]] ([[User:Mike2Matthews17]]) however, since there are two similarly named people, the occupation is necessary. Thank you and participate. [[User:Mark2Simmons07|Mark2Simmons07]] ([[User talk:Mark2Simmons07|talk]]) 10:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022 == |
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Harry Wilson is not on loan from Liverpool, he is at Fulham on a permanent deal until 2026. Change his club from Liverpool to Fulham. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7E:2A58:300:E888:C925:B45A:9D44|2A02:C7E:2A58:300:E888:C925:B45A:9D44]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7E:2A58:300:E888:C925:B45A:9D44|talk]]) 11:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2022 == |
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Remove all text which implies that he is on loan from Liverpool, as this is false information. [[Special:Contributions/2.221.248.214|2.221.248.214]] ([[User talk:2.221.248.214|talk]]) 17:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC) |
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Shocking this page is wrong fit so long. Change it |
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On 8 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Harry Wilson (Welsh footballer). The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
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[edit]I created this article as the player achieves WP:GNG (significant coverage), he has been called up to the full Wales squad and could become their youngest ever international player, as a result I considered that he is notable. TheBigJagielka (talk) 21:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 8 October 2021
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Both YOB and nationality are valid disambiguators per WP:NCSP. The argument for YOB is WP:CONSISTENCY, the argument for nationality seems to be that it is a more natural disambiguation. Given equally valid arguments and about equal number !votes of votes, there is no consensus at this time. (non-admin closure) VR talk 01:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Harry Wilson (footballer, born 1997) → Harry Wilson (Welsh footballer) – Out of the other Harry Wilsons who are footballers, only this one is Welsh and people are likely to identify his nationality better than the year of birth. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 13:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - renaming this to nationality whilst all the other are YOB would be confusing & not assist with navigation. GiantSnowman 13:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- There is a Harry Wilson (Scottish footballer) page however, unlike all others, the YOB on that page is unknown. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NCSP. Most conclusive and easiest to identify disambiguation given there is one Irish, one Welsh, one Scottish and two English footballers with the name Harry Wilson would be to use nationality as the primary disambiguation. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support I would probably have opposed this 5 years ago as his nationality wasn't common knowledge but he's established in the national side now so I have no problems with this one. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment whether this is moved or not, there should be WP:CONSISTENCY. Either use the nationality or the year of birth. cookie monster 755 17:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. We disambiguate footballers by year of birth. No point making an exception to this standard for one individual. Especially since he plays his club football in England. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- If anyone recalls the first RM discussion on Talk:Jota (Spanish footballer), Struway2 pointed out that nationality would be "more conclusive disambiguator" - also from the relevant naming convension, the first point, point a), suggests that is the first way to decide the outcome. I also agree with REDMAN 2019 re "established in the national side" as well. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- I actually find that really annoying what was done there. I have to search "Jota Peleteiro" to find him. Peleteiro is the most important part of his name and it's not even in the title. Govvy (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- It appears in that case "Jota" is the common name in the English media though the Spanish media calls him "Jota Peleteiro". Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose No need to go messing with the norm naming convention. Govvy (talk) 11:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: it looks like from what I've seen here for the first time in a few days that we have a balanced view of the title staying as it is or moving it to nationality DAB. The relevant naming convension could be the factor if we move the article this year or another. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Harry Wilson is not on loan from Liverpool, he is at Fulham on a permanent deal until 2026. Change his club from Liverpool to Fulham. 2A02:C7E:2A58:300:E888:C925:B45A:9D44 (talk) 11:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 11:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Remove all text which implies that he is on loan from Liverpool, as this is false information. 2.221.248.214 (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Shocking this page is wrong fit so long. Change it
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