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== Question == |
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It says "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." I think it should be edited to say "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver and occasional kicker for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." He did kick in a 2009 preseason game, and I'm sure he will sometime again if the kicker for Cincinnati gets hurt. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.177.190.9|76.177.190.9]] ([[User talk:76.177.190.9|talk]]) 06:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
It says "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." I think it should be edited to say "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver and occasional kicker for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." He did kick in a 2009 preseason game, and I'm sure he will sometime again if the kicker for Cincinnati gets hurt. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.177.190.9|76.177.190.9]] ([[User talk:76.177.190.9|talk]]) 06:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:[[Jim McMahon]] occasionally caught a pass for the Bears, but he's only listed as a quarterback. [[Larry Biittner]] once pitched an inning for the Cubs, but he's only listed as outfield/first base. And those were in regular season games. If 85 kicked in a preseason game, that doesn't really count. Is he listed as an alternate kicker on the official team roster? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 06:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC) |
:[[Jim McMahon]] occasionally caught a pass for the Bears, but he's only listed as a quarterback. [[Larry Biittner]] once pitched an inning for the Cubs, but he's only listed as outfield/first base. And those were in regular season games. If 85 kicked in a preseason game, that doesn't really count. Is he listed as an alternate kicker on the official team roster? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 06:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Name Change back to Johnson? == |
== Name Change back to Johnson? == |
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In a Yahoo! Sports article, Chad Ochocinco promised to change his surname back to Johnson if he was shut out by [[Darrelle Revis]]. The website is here [http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArR9bd77.KP9.sDu1nvGVuBDubYF?slug=cr-revisisland011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns], but I will post the paragraph that has this quoted. |
In a Yahoo! Sports article, Chad Ochocinco promised to change his surname back to Johnson if he was shut out by [[Darrelle Revis]]. The website is here [http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArR9bd77.KP9.sDu1nvGVuBDubYF?slug=cr-revisisland011310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns], but I will post the paragraph that has this quoted. |
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== Chad Johnson == |
== Chad Johnson == |
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Chad Ochocinco was born Chad Johnson in 1970 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.233.51.129|98.233.51.129]] ([[User talk:98.233.51.129|talk]]) 17:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Chad Ochocinco was born Chad Johnson in 1970 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.233.51.129|98.233.51.129]] ([[User talk:98.233.51.129|talk]]) 17:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Edit request from Gzanini, 6 December 2010 == |
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== Changing name back to "Johnson" == |
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Chad announced today, 1/25/11, via phone conversation on SportsCenter, that he is legally chnaging his name back to Chad Johnson as soon as he can get the paperwork done. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.110.213.148|174.110.213.148]] ([[User talk:174.110.213.148|talk]]) 21:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Chad announced today, 1/25/11, via phone conversation on SportsCenter, that he is legally chnaging his name back to Chad Johnson as soon as he can get the paperwork done. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.110.213.148|174.110.213.148]] ([[User talk:174.110.213.148|talk]]) 21:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I added it under the name change section, with a cited source. -- [[User:CollisionCourse|CollisionCourse]] ([[User talk:CollisionCourse|talk]]) 02:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC) |
:I added it under the name change section, with a cited source. -- [[User:CollisionCourse|CollisionCourse]] ([[User talk:CollisionCourse|talk]]) 02:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Name change section == |
== Name change section == |
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Since he isn't changing his name to Hachi Go, should it be in the article?[[Special:Contributions/71.142.237.133|71.142.237.133]] ([[User talk:71.142.237.133|talk]]) 03:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC) |
Since he isn't changing his name to Hachi Go, should it be in the article?[[Special:Contributions/71.142.237.133|71.142.237.133]] ([[User talk:71.142.237.133|talk]]) 03:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Soccer Trials == |
== Soccer Trials == |
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I know this is a minor issue, but I have noticed an issue with many editors changing the word "soccer" in the section chronicling Chad Ochocinco's recent tryout to "football". This is confusing to readers and not in compliance with WP:ENGVAR, which states that articles with strong national ties use that nation's version of English and colloquialisms. I would like to politely ask editors who have considered this change to please consult the guidelines and keep consistency throughout the article by not changing the wording. [[User:JakeH07|JakeH07]] ([[User talk:JakeH07|talk]]) 04:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
I know this is a minor issue, but I have noticed an issue with many editors changing the word "soccer" in the section chronicling Chad Ochocinco's recent tryout to "football". This is confusing to readers and not in compliance with WP:ENGVAR, which states that articles with strong national ties use that nation's version of English and colloquialisms. I would like to politely ask editors who have considered this change to please consult the guidelines and keep consistency throughout the article by not changing the wording. [[User:JakeH07|JakeH07]] ([[User talk:JakeH07|talk]]) 04:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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== New England Patriots == |
== New England Patriots == |
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Okay I want to make this clear. Chad Ochocinco is NOT a member of the New England Patriots YET. the fact that his infobox (as of this writing) already reads "New England Patriots - No. 85" is a MAJOR jumping of the gun. I am reverting it until official announcements have been made. any objections, please disucss below. Thanks.--[[User:Boston Burkenation|Boston Burkenation]] ([[User talk:Boston Burkenation|talk]]) 21:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
Okay I want to make this clear. Chad Ochocinco is NOT a member of the New England Patriots YET. the fact that his infobox (as of this writing) already reads "New England Patriots - No. 85" is a MAJOR jumping of the gun. I am reverting it until official announcements have been made. any objections, please disucss below. Thanks.--[[User:Boston Burkenation|Boston Burkenation]] ([[User talk:Boston Burkenation|talk]]) 21:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:Well we don't know what his number will be either as 85 is already taken. --[[Special:Contributions/151.203.222.250|151.203.222.250]] ([[User talk:151.203.222.250|talk]]) 01:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
:Well we don't know what his number will be either as 85 is already taken. --[[Special:Contributions/151.203.222.250|151.203.222.250]] ([[User talk:151.203.222.250|talk]]) 01:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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== Wonderlic == |
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Is it known what his wonderlic score was?--[[User:CnrFallon|Conor Fallon]] ([[User talk:CnrFallon|talk]]) 04:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
Is it known what his wonderlic score was?--[[User:CnrFallon|Conor Fallon]] ([[User talk:CnrFallon|talk]]) 04:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
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:Wonderlic scores are rarely released to the public, and a quick Google search of the web and newspapers brings up nothing. '''[[User:Eagles247|< |
:Wonderlic scores are rarely released to the public, and a quick Google search of the web and newspapers brings up nothing. '''[[User:Eagles247|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#003B48; font-size:small;">Eagles</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:Eagles247|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#003B48; font-size:small;">24/7</span>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Eagles247|<span style="color:#003B48; font-size:x-small;">(C)</span>]] 04:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
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== Conference Championships as a career highlight == |
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== The word "Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article. == |
== The word "Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article. == |
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"Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article (I'm not sure why, but "cinco" is found 125 times, unless I made a mistake). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.184.248.6|70.184.248.6]] ([[User talk:70.184.248.6|talk]]) 08:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
"Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article (I'm not sure why, but "cinco" is found 125 times, unless I made a mistake). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.184.248.6|70.184.248.6]] ([[User talk:70.184.248.6|talk]]) 08:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Did he really "play" for Miami? == |
== Did he really "play" for Miami? == |
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The opening of this article states he played for the Bengals, Patriots, and Dolphins. He technically never really played for the Dolphins, just tried out for the team and was cut in week two of training camp. I would suggest this be changed. [[User:Kevinmac81|Kevinmac81]] ([[User talk:Kevinmac81|talk]]) 14:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC) |
The opening of this article states he played for the Bengals, Patriots, and Dolphins. He technically never really played for the Dolphins, just tried out for the team and was cut in week two of training camp. I would suggest this be changed. [[User:Kevinmac81|Kevinmac81]] ([[User talk:Kevinmac81|talk]]) 14:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | [[:Chad Johnson (American football)]] → {{no redirect|Chad Johnson (football)}} – Well, he ''is'' under contract with a Canadian team, so its not quite ''American'' football anymore; better to be more precise than add unneeded disambiguation. <span style="border:1px solid #f57900;padding:1px;">[[User:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#8f5902;">ViperSnake151</span>]] [[User_talk:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#fff; background:#fcaf3e;"> Talk </span>]] </span> 23:34, 17 April 2014 (UTC) |
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⚫ | [[:Chad Johnson (American football)]] → {{no redirect|Chad Johnson (football)}} – Well, he ''is'' under contract with a Canadian team, so its not quite ''American'' football anymore; better to be more precise than add unneeded disambiguation. <span style="border:1px solid #f57900;padding:1px;">< |
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*'''Oppose''' Football -- association football, you probably call it "soccer" -- is the world's most popular sport, you know. Chad Johnson doesn't play football. To disambiguate Johnson in this way would be inherently ambiguous. One might suggest Chad Johnson (gridiron football), but I think the current title is fine. Johnson hasn't even played in Canada yet. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 01:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' Football -- association football, you probably call it "soccer" -- is the world's most popular sport, you know. Chad Johnson doesn't play football. To disambiguate Johnson in this way would be inherently ambiguous. One might suggest Chad Johnson (gridiron football), but I think the current title is fine. Johnson hasn't even played in Canada yet. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 01:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' but only for now. Once he plays a single down in the CFL we can maybe go with Chad Johnson gridiron football. [[User:Dbrodbeck|Dbrodbeck]] ([[User talk:Dbrodbeck|talk]]) 03:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' but only for now. Once he plays a single down in the CFL we can maybe go with Chad Johnson gridiron football. [[User:Dbrodbeck|Dbrodbeck]] ([[User talk:Dbrodbeck|talk]]) 03:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Agree''' with condition. Since there isn't a soccer player named Chad Johnson with a Wikipedia page, Chad Johnson (football) is acceptable because he can't be confused with a soccer player of the same name; however, it should be reviewable in the future should another Chad Johnson garner a Wikipedia page.[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Agree''' with condition. Since there isn't a soccer player named Chad Johnson with a Wikipedia page, Chad Johnson (football) is acceptable because he can't be confused with a soccer player of the same name; however, it should be reviewable in the future should another Chad Johnson garner a Wikipedia page.[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::That isn't really the issue. The problem is that disambiguating terms cannot be themselves ambiguous. [[Chad Johnson (football)]] creates confusion for the reader because -- if Johnson is otherwise unknown to the reader -- it isn't clear what sport Johnson plays. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 21:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
::That isn't really the issue. The problem is that disambiguating terms cannot be themselves ambiguous. [[Chad Johnson (football)]] creates confusion for the reader because -- if Johnson is otherwise unknown to the reader -- it isn't clear what sport Johnson plays. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 21:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' An ambiguous disambiguator is a poor way to disambiguate. |
*'''Oppose''' An ambiguous disambiguator is a poor way to disambiguate. <small>[[Special:Contributions/Victor_falk|<sup style="color:green;">''walk''</sup>]]</small> [[user:victor falk|<i style="color:green;">victor falk</i>]]<sup><small> [[user_talk:victor falk|<i style="color:green;">talk</i>]]</small></sup> 07:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose "(football)"''', worst possibly chjoice. '''Move to [[Chad Johnson (wide receiver)]]'''. Chad Johnson is not a football or brand of football. If you want to persist with something that looks that goofy, use [[Chad Johnson (gridiron football)]], but this lazy naming is a bad idea. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 09:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose "(football)"''', worst possibly chjoice. '''Move to [[Chad Johnson (wide receiver)]]'''. Chad Johnson is not a football or brand of football. If you want to persist with something that looks that goofy, use [[Chad Johnson (gridiron football)]], but this lazy naming is a bad idea. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 09:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC) |
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==Requested move 19 April 2014== |
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*'''Oppose'''[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose'''[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per the reasoning provided by [[User:Television fan]] below. Note that WP:RM can accept only one active move request per page at a time, so a full discussion won't begin here until the earlier move request above (still active as of now) is closed. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 21:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' per the reasoning provided by [[User:Television fan]] below. Note that WP:RM can accept only one active move request per page at a time, so a full discussion won't begin here until the earlier move request above (still active as of now) is closed. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] ([[User talk:Xoloz|talk]]) 21:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Reliable sources are all currently calling him Chad Johnson in reports, see [http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10796871/chad-johnson-signs-montreal-alouettes-cfl ESPN from last week] and [http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/chad-johnson-is-coming-to-philadelphia-but-will-he-stay/ CBS Sports from 2012] after he changed his name back from Ochocinco to Johnson. Simply put, as of right now, his common name IS Chad Johnson. It is true that for a time, his common name was Chad Ochocinco, it is not that name anymore, and since every reliable source is now using Johnson, so should we. --[[User:Jayron32|< |
*'''Oppose''' Reliable sources are all currently calling him Chad Johnson in reports, see [http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10796871/chad-johnson-signs-montreal-alouettes-cfl ESPN from last week] and [http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/chad-johnson-is-coming-to-philadelphia-but-will-he-stay/ CBS Sports from 2012] after he changed his name back from Ochocinco to Johnson. Simply put, as of right now, his common name IS Chad Johnson. It is true that for a time, his common name was Chad Ochocinco, it is not that name anymore, and since every reliable source is now using Johnson, so should we. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 00:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:He has played 7 seven years as Johnson (2001-2007), and 4 years as Ochocinco (2008-2011). Unlike Cat Stevens whose popularity is based upon his performances as Cat Stevens solely, Johnson's popularity (especially in Cincinnati) was made as Johnson, and 5 of his 6 Pro Bowl appearances were as Johnson. To be sure, Ochocinco is more memorable and marketable, but his impact on professional football has been made as Johnson.[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
:He has played 7 seven years as Johnson (2001-2007), and 4 years as Ochocinco (2008-2011). Unlike Cat Stevens whose popularity is based upon his performances as Cat Stevens solely, Johnson's popularity (especially in Cincinnati) was made as Johnson, and 5 of his 6 Pro Bowl appearances were as Johnson. To be sure, Ochocinco is more memorable and marketable, but his impact on professional football has been made as Johnson.[[User:Television fan|Television fan]] ([[User talk:Television fan|talk]]) 14:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== CFL infobox == |
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was that really necessary, looks all messed up now[[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) |
was that really necessary, looks all messed up now[[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) |
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:Of course it is necessary. He's signed to a CFL team. --[[User:Jayron32|< |
:Of course it is necessary. He's signed to a CFL team. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 01:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== "Under contract to play" v. "Plays" == |
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Johnson is under contract to play (or has signed to play for the [[Montreal Alouettes]]; currently he has not played for the team in a game. Editor Rockchalk717 equates "signing a contract" as "playing" for a team; however, in the April 18 edit at 17:42, editor Shawn in Montreal notes that "once again, he's been signed. That's all. He hasn't played a single snap in any game." |
Johnson is under contract to play (or has signed to play for the [[Montreal Alouettes]]; currently he has not played for the team in a game. Editor Rockchalk717 equates "signing a contract" as "playing" for a team; however, in the April 18 edit at 17:42, editor Shawn in Montreal notes that "once again, he's been signed. That's all. He hasn't played a single snap in any game." |
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::This user in question has made several questionable move requests such as Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary (politician) and Yogurt → Yogurt / Yoghurt etc. I see no reason to continue this.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.140.89|67.70.140.89]] ([[User talk:67.70.140.89|talk]]) 00:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
::This user in question has made several questionable move requests such as Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary (politician) and Yogurt → Yogurt / Yoghurt etc. I see no reason to continue this.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.140.89|67.70.140.89]] ([[User talk:67.70.140.89|talk]]) 00:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Speedy close''' It's not like there's been any developments since the last request. It's the same argument, so this should end in the same result. [[User:QueenFan|QueenFan]] ([[User talk:QueenFan|talk]]) 00:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Speedy close''' It's not like there's been any developments since the last request. It's the same argument, so this should end in the same result. [[User:QueenFan|QueenFan]] ([[User talk:QueenFan|talk]]) 00:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
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* '''Same vandal, different week''' - per checkuser - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family: |
* '''Same vandal, different week''' - per checkuser - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D; font-family:comic sans ms;">'''A<span style="color:#FF7C0A;">l<span style="color:#FFB550;">is</span>o</span>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 03:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
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[[:Chad Johnson (American football)]] → {{no redirect|Chad Johnson (gridiron football)}} – Hope this doesn't start trouble but now that he's played in the NFL and CFL it should be changed. See:[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)]]. <small>''Relisted''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 13:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)</small> [[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) 17:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC) |
[[:Chad Johnson (American football)]] → {{no redirect|Chad Johnson (gridiron football)}} – Hope this doesn't start trouble but now that he's played in the NFL and CFL it should be changed. See:[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)]]. <small>''Relisted''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 13:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)</small> [[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) 17:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::Actually, looking at the other articles linked at [[Chad Johnson]], I'm wondering if a PRIMARYTOPIC case couldn't be made for this one, which would mean we wouldn't need a disambig label at all. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
::Actually, looking at the other articles linked at [[Chad Johnson]], I'm wondering if a PRIMARYTOPIC case couldn't be made for this one, which would mean we wouldn't need a disambig label at all. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I just checked the page view stats. This article was viewed more than 9 times as often over the past month as the one on Chad Johnson the hockey player (28557 vs. 3116). The other's aren't close (for example, the physicist/photographer had 95). '''Propose moving to [[Chad Johnson]] instead.''' Remaining where it is, second choice. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 17:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
:::I just checked the page view stats. This article was viewed more than 9 times as often over the past month as the one on Chad Johnson the hockey player (28557 vs. 3116). The other's aren't close (for example, the physicist/photographer had 95). '''Propose moving to [[Chad Johnson]] instead.''' Remaining where it is, second choice. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 17:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' move to [[Chad Johnson]] while moving the disambiguation page there now to [[Chad Johnson (disambiguation)]]. No matter where he plays in the tail end of his career he is most notable and will probably always be most notable for playing American football. But looking over all the choices, he is by far the primary topic for this name, so just move it there. [[User:WPGA2345|< |
*'''Support''' move to [[Chad Johnson]] while moving the disambiguation page there now to [[Chad Johnson (disambiguation)]]. No matter where he plays in the tail end of his career he is most notable and will probably always be most notable for playing American football. But looking over all the choices, he is by far the primary topic for this name, so just move it there. [[User:WPGA2345|<span style="color:white;"><span style="text-shadow:gray 5px 5px 5px; background:#DC143C">''''' - WPGA2345 - '''''</span></span>]][[User talk:WPGA2345|<span style="color:black;"><big><big><span style="background:#ffffff">☛</span></big></big></span>]] 01:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*First choice is move to [[Chad Johnson]] and move the current page to the DAB. Second choice is to leave it here. That he caught a few balls once or twice in a few Canadian Football games is a footnote on his career. He is primarily known as an American Football player. If he decided to take up culinary arts and starting working in a restaurant, we wouldn't move this to [[Chad Johnson American football player and chef]]. Leaving it here is fine, but it would be better to move this to the primary target, which it is. I don't otherwise agree with the OP's rationale for the move he's proposing. --[[User:Jayron32|< |
*First choice is move to [[Chad Johnson]] and move the current page to the DAB. Second choice is to leave it here. That he caught a few balls once or twice in a few Canadian Football games is a footnote on his career. He is primarily known as an American Football player. If he decided to take up culinary arts and starting working in a restaurant, we wouldn't move this to [[Chad Johnson American football player and chef]]. Leaving it here is fine, but it would be better to move this to the primary target, which it is. I don't otherwise agree with the OP's rationale for the move he's proposing. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 02:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Gridiron football]] I was going off this. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) 02:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
::[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Gridiron football]] I was going off this. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]]) 02:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::And I was going off of [[WP:UCS]]. --[[User:Jayron32|< |
:::And I was going off of [[WP:UCS]]. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 02:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Only support [[Chad Johnson (football)]]. There is no one to confuse him with. [[User:Red Slash|< |
*'''Only support [[Chad Johnson (football)]]. There is no one to confuse him with. [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red </span>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b>]] 04:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' move to (gridiron football) as proposed per the reasons above. '''Support''' moving this to the undisambiguated Chad Johnson page as he is the primary topic for the name. I would also suggest moratorium be imposed by the closing admin given that this is the fourth move request filed since April. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#000000; font-family:serif">Calidum</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#FFD700; font-family:serif">Talk To Me</span>]]</sup>''' 21:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' move to (gridiron football) as proposed per the reasons above. '''Support''' moving this to the undisambiguated Chad Johnson page as he is the primary topic for the name. I would also suggest moratorium be imposed by the closing admin given that this is the fourth move request filed since April. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#000000; font-family:serif">Calidum</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#FFD700; font-family:serif">Talk To Me</span>]]</sup>''' 21:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per my comments in the previous move request. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 12:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' per my comments in the previous move request. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 12:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak support''', but if the NHL's Chad Johnson ever moves up to starting goalie, we should consider revisiting the issue. Cheers, [[User:Dawn Bard|Dawn Bard]] ([[User talk:Dawn Bard|talk]]) 13:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Weak support''', but if the NHL's Chad Johnson ever moves up to starting goalie, we should consider revisiting the issue. Cheers, [[User:Dawn Bard|Dawn Bard]] ([[User talk:Dawn Bard|talk]]) 13:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per my rationale in the section above. --[[User:Jayron32|< |
*'''Support''' per my rationale in the section above. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 19:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Cautious support'''. I echo my previous comments; (football) is the best disambiguator if one is needed. [[User:Red Slash|< |
*'''Cautious support'''. I echo my previous comments; (football) is the best disambiguator if one is needed. [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red </span>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b>]] 01:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:Comment: Wikipedia rules require a worldwide view of the article subject and seeing that to the rest of the world, football is [[association football|this]], not what this Chad Johnson plays, that would violate this rule.--<span style="background-color:blue;color:red;">'''Rockchalk'''</span>[[User talk:Rockchalk717|717]] 02:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC) |
:Comment: Wikipedia rules require a worldwide view of the article subject and seeing that to the rest of the world, football is [[association football|this]], not what this Chad Johnson plays, that would violate this rule.--<span style="background-color:blue;color:red;">'''Rockchalk'''</span>[[User talk:Rockchalk717|717]] 02:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per reasons in the move discussion immediately prior to this one. Hopefully this will settle the issue. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#000000; font-family:serif">Calidum</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#FFD700; font-family:serif">Talk To Me</span>]]</sup>''' 01:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' per reasons in the move discussion immediately prior to this one. Hopefully this will settle the issue. '''[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#000000; font-family:serif">Calidum</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#FFD700; font-family:serif">Talk To Me</span>]]</sup>''' 01:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Most well known Chad Johnson on Wikipedia (avg. 500 views a day vs 30, 30, 15, and 15 of the other Chad Johnson's). Most well known person of a common name deserves to have their page not have a disambiguation on it.--<span style="background-color:blue;color:red;">'''Rockchalk'''</span>[[User talk:Rockchalk717|717]] 01:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' Most well known Chad Johnson on Wikipedia (avg. 500 views a day vs 30, 30, 15, and 15 of the other Chad Johnson's). Most well known person of a common name deserves to have their page not have a disambiguation on it.--<span style="background-color:blue;color:red;">'''Rockchalk'''</span>[[User talk:Rockchalk717|717]] 01:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', as stated before. [[User:WPGA2345|< |
*'''Support''', as stated before. [[User:WPGA2345|<span style="color:white;"><span style="text-shadow:gray 5px 5px 5px; background:#DC143C">''''' - WPGA2345 - '''''</span></span>]][[User talk:WPGA2345|<span style="color:black;"><big><big><span style="background:#ffffff">☛</span></big></big></span>]] 01:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC) |
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According to both the CFL and NFL player stats, Chad Johnson was born in LA, CA. and not Miami, FL as this article states. Both of the citations mention Miami as places he grew up, and as his "hometown" but neither state that he was born there. I think the article should be amended. Opinions? --[[User:Gavers23|Gavers23]] ([[User talk:Gavers23|talk]]) 21:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC) |
According to both the CFL and NFL player stats, Chad Johnson was born in LA, CA. and not Miami, FL as this article states. Both of the citations mention Miami as places he grew up, and as his "hometown" but neither state that he was born there. I think the article should be amended. Opinions? --[[User:Gavers23|Gavers23]] ([[User talk:Gavers23|talk]]) 21:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Just wanted to get a feel for this -- is it trivial or nontrivial that Mr. Johnson witnessed the FBI's arrest of his neighbor, Roger Stone? Given that Johnson has commented upon the subject repeatedly, and numerous national and state news outlets picked up the story (including retrospectives a year after the event), I'm inclined to include it as a noteworthy part of Johnson's biography -- but clearly my opinions are not universal. It appears that the account "[[User:Roger roger 6am]]," who has not made any edits since 2019, attempted to add the event to the page when it happened and the text was removed within the day by [[User:Dermato1]]. Anyways, posting this so folks can comment. Tagging [[User:Jayron32]] out of courtesy. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 21:14, 9 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:It really is trivial. There's nothing about his biography that is impacted by living next door to another famous person. That he's mentioned it more than once doesn't really matter. He's a football player, not a professional neighbor. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:11, 10 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::Wiki mentions that [[André the Giant]] was driven to school by [[Samuel Beckett]] -- living next door to famous people, and witnessing a newsworthy / historical event involving that famous person, when you yourself are famous, seems like a clear indicator of notability. After all, he's a professional football player, but there are non-football topics mentioned in his article. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 14:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC) |
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[edit]It says "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." I think it should be edited to say "Chad Javon Ochocinco is an American football wide receiver and occasional kicker for the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League." He did kick in a 2009 preseason game, and I'm sure he will sometime again if the kicker for Cincinnati gets hurt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.190.9 (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Jim McMahon occasionally caught a pass for the Bears, but he's only listed as a quarterback. Larry Biittner once pitched an inning for the Cubs, but he's only listed as outfield/first base. And those were in regular season games. If 85 kicked in a preseason game, that doesn't really count. Is he listed as an alternate kicker on the official team roster? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Name Change back to Johnson?
[edit]In a Yahoo! Sports article, Chad Ochocinco promised to change his surname back to Johnson if he was shut out by Darrelle Revis. The website is here [1], but I will post the paragraph that has this quoted.
"And then, of course, there was Chad Ochocinco, who promised to change his surname back to “Johnson” if Revis shut him down. Two matchups later, the man soon to be formerly known as Ochocinco had collected a pitiful 28 yards in one game, and had his 120-game catch streak broken in the other."
The Bengals just lost to the Jets last week, so he may change his name to Hachi Go, or he may just ignore what he said. User:Six-thirty-three —Preceding undated comment added 15:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC).
Chad Johnson
[edit]Chad Ochocinco was born Chad Johnson in 1970 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.51.129 (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Gzanini, 6 December 2010
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Please add the following to this page.
"On November 18, 2010, Ochocinco released Mad Chad, a video game for iPhones through Rock Software. The mobile game became the #4 downloaded game on iTunes in under 24 hours and a viral hit due to buzz on Twitter."
Credible sources:
www.rocksoftware.com
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mad-chad/id399834144?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
Gzanini (talk) 23:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Partly done: Actually, neither of those are credible sources for things like sales figures, since they're both self-posted by the company itself. Second, the claim of "under 24 hours" does not appear on the page. Third, there is no way that they can know why it hit that amount--the guess that it's generated by "buzz on Twitter" is just that--a guess. Nonetheless, we can use the source to verify that the game exists, just not the sales figures. So I've added a comment saying that the game was released on that date. If you can find independent reliable sources to verify the sales figures, please make a new edit request. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Changing name back to "Johnson"
[edit]Chad announced today, 1/25/11, via phone conversation on SportsCenter, that he is legally chnaging his name back to Chad Johnson as soon as he can get the paperwork done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.110.213.148 (talk) 21:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I added it under the name change section, with a cited source. -- CollisionCourse (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Name change section
[edit]Since he isn't changing his name to Hachi Go, should it be in the article?71.142.237.133 (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Soccer Trials
[edit]I know this is a minor issue, but I have noticed an issue with many editors changing the word "soccer" in the section chronicling Chad Ochocinco's recent tryout to "football". This is confusing to readers and not in compliance with WP:ENGVAR, which states that articles with strong national ties use that nation's version of English and colloquialisms. I would like to politely ask editors who have considered this change to please consult the guidelines and keep consistency throughout the article by not changing the wording. JakeH07 (talk) 04:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
New England Patriots
[edit]Okay I want to make this clear. Chad Ochocinco is NOT a member of the New England Patriots YET. the fact that his infobox (as of this writing) already reads "New England Patriots - No. 85" is a MAJOR jumping of the gun. I am reverting it until official announcements have been made. any objections, please disucss below. Thanks.--Boston Burkenation (talk) 21:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Well we don't know what his number will be either as 85 is already taken. --151.203.222.250 (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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Wonderlic
[edit]Is it known what his wonderlic score was?--Conor Fallon (talk) 04:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- Wonderlic scores are rarely released to the public, and a quick Google search of the web and newspapers brings up nothing. Eagles 24/7 (C) 04:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Conference Championships as a career highlight
[edit]I believe they are only relevant if someone wins several (The examples given by 24.147.30.7 fall under this category) or wins one, but doesn't win a Super Bowl. I also feel since he didn't even play in the championship game it's even technically a personal accomplishment.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 19:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- As an active member of the AFC winning team I feel it qualifies as an obvious career highlight- Superbowl win or no. Another example could simply be Damon Huard - He has and I believe rightfully* Super Bowl Champion x2 under his career achievements.. 24.147.30.7 (talk) 21:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Another example of multiple championships. I don't see how a single conference championship, a game he was on the inactive list for even, is a notable highlight compared to his other accomplishments.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 19:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- No, an example of a player who did not play in said games and yet has the achievements on his career highlights hes a backup quarterback he aided his team in pratices. So how is the case any different? And I fail to see how being on a Conference Championship winning team is not a career highlight 24.147.30.7 (talk) 19:48, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
The word "Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article.
[edit]"Ochocinco" found 111 times in this short article (I'm not sure why, but "cinco" is found 125 times, unless I made a mistake). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.248.6 (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Did he really "play" for Miami?
[edit]The opening of this article states he played for the Bengals, Patriots, and Dolphins. He technically never really played for the Dolphins, just tried out for the team and was cut in week two of training camp. I would suggest this be changed. Kevinmac81 (talk) 14:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
- He did suit up and play one pre-season game for the Miami Dolphins on August 10, 2012 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Presumable, he did get paid to play.Television fan (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Move time (17 April 2014)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. As User:Xoloz points out, disambiguating terms mustn't themselves be ambiguous. We don't know what kind of 'football' would be indicated, American or association football. There was not enough support for 'gridiron football'. Someone might consider a new move proposal with one of the other alternatives such as 'wide receiver.' EdJohnston (talk) 03:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Chad Johnson (American football) → Chad Johnson (football) – Well, he is under contract with a Canadian team, so its not quite American football anymore; better to be more precise than add unneeded disambiguation. ViperSnake151 Talk 23:34, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Football -- association football, you probably call it "soccer" -- is the world's most popular sport, you know. Chad Johnson doesn't play football. To disambiguate Johnson in this way would be inherently ambiguous. One might suggest Chad Johnson (gridiron football), but I think the current title is fine. Johnson hasn't even played in Canada yet. Xoloz (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose but only for now. Once he plays a single down in the CFL we can maybe go with Chad Johnson gridiron football. Dbrodbeck (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just as Xoloz essentially stated (but not exactly), in most countries, "football" is what Americans call "soccer". Disambiguating this title as so would only make sense if the English Wikipedia were only available for viewing in America. Steel1943 (talk) 04:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Support per nom. In most of the English-speaking world "football" does not mean soccer, and only soccer partisans call it football in most of the English-speaking world. The non-English world is not material to the discussion. Most of the English-speaking world uses "soccer" to indicate soccer. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- I know we're supposed to assume good faith but this looks like trolling. Maybe you're just ignorant. Zarcadia (talk) 06:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. How about Chad Johnson (Wide receiver)? Chad Johnson (Gridiron football) works for me.Television fan (talk) 13:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Johnson has had a pretty major NFL career so far. Even if he ends up playing a year or two in the CFL, the current title still reflects his primary claim to notability and would be a more likely search term. My test would be this: years down the line, will we think of "Chad Johnson, the American football player who also played a few years in Canada" or "Chad Johnson, the gridiron football player who played in the US and Canada"? And if we're ever going to move, Chad Johnson (gridiron football) would be the usual way of doing it. Chad Johnson (wide receiver) is unnecessary unless there were another notable gridiron football player of the same name. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with condition. Since there isn't a soccer player named Chad Johnson with a Wikipedia page, Chad Johnson (football) is acceptable because he can't be confused with a soccer player of the same name; however, it should be reviewable in the future should another Chad Johnson garner a Wikipedia page.Television fan (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- That isn't really the issue. The problem is that disambiguating terms cannot be themselves ambiguous. Chad Johnson (football) creates confusion for the reader because -- if Johnson is otherwise unknown to the reader -- it isn't clear what sport Johnson plays. Xoloz (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose An ambiguous disambiguator is a poor way to disambiguate. walk victor falk talk 07:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose "(football)", worst possibly chjoice. Move to Chad Johnson (wide receiver). Chad Johnson is not a football or brand of football. If you want to persist with something that looks that goofy, use Chad Johnson (gridiron football), but this lazy naming is a bad idea. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 19 April 2014
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The result of the proposal was procedural close. Concurrent RMs should not run on the same page. Please wait for the previous request to be resolved. You are free to suggest this or any other alternatives in that discussion. --BDD (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Chad Johnson (American football) → Chad Ochocinco – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Before you start opposing this, we use Cat Stevens, not Yusuf Islam, for example, or Lilly Allen, who changed her professional name to Lilly Rose Cooper, but changed it back after a year, because it never caught on. 71.59.58.63 (talk) 00:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Oppose per the reasoning provided by User:Television fan below. Note that WP:RM can accept only one active move request per page at a time, so a full discussion won't begin here until the earlier move request above (still active as of now) is closed. Xoloz (talk) 21:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Reliable sources are all currently calling him Chad Johnson in reports, see ESPN from last week and CBS Sports from 2012 after he changed his name back from Ochocinco to Johnson. Simply put, as of right now, his common name IS Chad Johnson. It is true that for a time, his common name was Chad Ochocinco, it is not that name anymore, and since every reliable source is now using Johnson, so should we. --Jayron32 00:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
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- He has played 7 seven years as Johnson (2001-2007), and 4 years as Ochocinco (2008-2011). Unlike Cat Stevens whose popularity is based upon his performances as Cat Stevens solely, Johnson's popularity (especially in Cincinnati) was made as Johnson, and 5 of his 6 Pro Bowl appearances were as Johnson. To be sure, Ochocinco is more memorable and marketable, but his impact on professional football has been made as Johnson.Television fan (talk) 14:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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CFL infobox
[edit]was that really necessary, looks all messed up nowWikiOriginal-9 (talk)
- Of course it is necessary. He's signed to a CFL team. --Jayron32 01:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
"Under contract to play" v. "Plays"
[edit]Johnson is under contract to play (or has signed to play for the Montreal Alouettes; currently he has not played for the team in a game. Editor Rockchalk717 equates "signing a contract" as "playing" for a team; however, in the April 18 edit at 17:42, editor Shawn in Montreal notes that "once again, he's been signed. That's all. He hasn't played a single snap in any game."
Johnson hasn't played for the team, has he? He can still get hurt before a first game or get cut (like happened to him after he signed with Miami), can't he?Television fan (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think Television Fan is quite right, and Rockchalk's insistence on using "plays for" rather premature, especially in light of http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/29/chad-johnson-canada-work-permit-montreal-alouettes/. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:42, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 26 April 2014
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The result of the proposal was procedural close. The nominator was blocked for block evasion.[2] Any edits made in violation of a block should be reverted/removed. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Chad Johnson (American football) → Chad Ochocinco – Re-requesting now that the previous request is over. Per WP:COMMONNAME. Before you start opposing this, we use Cat Stevens, not Yusuf Islam, for example, or Lilly Allen, who changed her professional name to Lilly Rose Cooper, but changed it back after a year, because it never caught on. 71.59.58.63 (talk) 19:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Speedy close The nonimator is using the exact same rational (word for word) that they used when this was just unanimously rejected. Barring new info I see no reason to rearuge a clearly rejected case,--67.70.140.89 (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yup, speedy close indeed Is there a reason we are doing this again? Dbrodbeck (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- This user in question has made several questionable move requests such as Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary (politician) and Yogurt → Yogurt / Yoghurt etc. I see no reason to continue this.--67.70.140.89 (talk) 00:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Speedy close It's not like there's been any developments since the last request. It's the same argument, so this should end in the same result. QueenFan (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Same vandal, different week - per checkuser - Alison ❤ 03:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move (July 2014)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Clear consensus against using "gridiron". A reasonable amount of support for this article being the primary topic, but we would need to have a proper multi-move RM for that to have a consensus. So I'm closing this and will start a new RM immediately. Jenks24 (talk) 08:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Chad Johnson (American football) → Chad Johnson (gridiron football) – Hope this doesn't start trouble but now that he's played in the NFL and CFL it should be changed. See:Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC) WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Weak support -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment is there a reason why we can't use Chad Ochocinco (WP:NATURALDIS) ? -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 02:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment It seems to be because it's not his legal name any more, and also consensus above seems to be to stick with 'Johnson.' Dawn Bard (talk) 06:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- The consensus above shows that it was procedurally improper to request the name change at that time, not that the requested name was not usable. As for not being his legal name, that is a point for not using it. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment It seems to be because it's not his legal name any more, and also consensus above seems to be to stick with 'Johnson.' Dawn Bard (talk) 06:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment is there a reason why we can't use Chad Ochocinco (WP:NATURALDIS) ? -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 02:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Support It is now a more appropriate title and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. 72.200.151.13 (talk) 10:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Oppose.This seems premature. Johnson played in the NFL for 11 seasons. He has played in the CFL for 2 games. Changing the disambiguation label to reflect that at this point is somewhat akin to giving equal weight to Michael Jordan's baseball career in the event we ever needed a disambiguation label for him. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, looking at the other articles linked at Chad Johnson, I'm wondering if a PRIMARYTOPIC case couldn't be made for this one, which would mean we wouldn't need a disambig label at all. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- I just checked the page view stats. This article was viewed more than 9 times as often over the past month as the one on Chad Johnson the hockey player (28557 vs. 3116). The other's aren't close (for example, the physicist/photographer had 95). Propose moving to Chad Johnson instead. Remaining where it is, second choice. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, looking at the other articles linked at Chad Johnson, I'm wondering if a PRIMARYTOPIC case couldn't be made for this one, which would mean we wouldn't need a disambig label at all. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Support move to Chad Johnson while moving the disambiguation page there now to Chad Johnson (disambiguation). No matter where he plays in the tail end of his career he is most notable and will probably always be most notable for playing American football. But looking over all the choices, he is by far the primary topic for this name, so just move it there. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 01:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- First choice is move to Chad Johnson and move the current page to the DAB. Second choice is to leave it here. That he caught a few balls once or twice in a few Canadian Football games is a footnote on his career. He is primarily known as an American Football player. If he decided to take up culinary arts and starting working in a restaurant, we wouldn't move this to Chad Johnson American football player and chef. Leaving it here is fine, but it would be better to move this to the primary target, which it is. I don't otherwise agree with the OP's rationale for the move he's proposing. --Jayron32 02:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Gridiron football I was going off this. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- And I was going off of WP:UCS. --Jayron32 02:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Gridiron football I was going off this. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Only support Chad Johnson (football). There is no one to confuse him with. Red Slash 04:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose move to (gridiron football) as proposed per the reasons above. Support moving this to the undisambiguated Chad Johnson page as he is the primary topic for the name. I would also suggest moratorium be imposed by the closing admin given that this is the fourth move request filed since April. Calidum Talk To Me 21:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move (August 2014)
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The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan (talk) 20:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
– Procedural nomination, see the section directly above this one. I am neutral. Pinging editors involved in the most recent RM: WikiOriginal-9, 65.94.169.222, Dawn Bard, 72.200.151.13, Egsan Bacon, WPGA2345, Jayron32, Red Slash, Calidum. Jenks24 (talk) 08:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support per my comments in the previous move request. Egsan Bacon (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Weak support, but if the NHL's Chad Johnson ever moves up to starting goalie, we should consider revisiting the issue. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support per my rationale in the section above. --Jayron32 19:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Cautious support. I echo my previous comments; (football) is the best disambiguator if one is needed. Red Slash 01:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Wikipedia rules require a worldwide view of the article subject and seeing that to the rest of the world, football is this, not what this Chad Johnson plays, that would violate this rule.--Rockchalk717 02:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support per reasons in the move discussion immediately prior to this one. Hopefully this will settle the issue. Calidum Talk To Me 01:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support Most well known Chad Johnson on Wikipedia (avg. 500 views a day vs 30, 30, 15, and 15 of the other Chad Johnson's). Most well known person of a common name deserves to have their page not have a disambiguation on it.--Rockchalk717 01:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Support, as stated before. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 01:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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Place of birth
[edit]According to both the CFL and NFL player stats, Chad Johnson was born in LA, CA. and not Miami, FL as this article states. Both of the citations mention Miami as places he grew up, and as his "hometown" but neither state that he was born there. I think the article should be amended. Opinions? --Gavers23 (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Could you please provide the references (e.g., links) to this birthplace info?Television fan (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Listed as suspended
[edit]Here's a link to the roster:
http://en.montrealalouettes.com/roster/index/team/9/sort/last
If you scroll down towards the bottom, his name appears there.Television fan (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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Witness to Roger Stone arrest
[edit]Just wanted to get a feel for this -- is it trivial or nontrivial that Mr. Johnson witnessed the FBI's arrest of his neighbor, Roger Stone? Given that Johnson has commented upon the subject repeatedly, and numerous national and state news outlets picked up the story (including retrospectives a year after the event), I'm inclined to include it as a noteworthy part of Johnson's biography -- but clearly my opinions are not universal. It appears that the account "User:Roger roger 6am," who has not made any edits since 2019, attempted to add the event to the page when it happened and the text was removed within the day by User:Dermato1. Anyways, posting this so folks can comment. Tagging User:Jayron32 out of courtesy. RexSueciae (talk) 21:14, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- It really is trivial. There's nothing about his biography that is impacted by living next door to another famous person. That he's mentioned it more than once doesn't really matter. He's a football player, not a professional neighbor. --Jayron32 12:11, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wiki mentions that André the Giant was driven to school by Samuel Beckett -- living next door to famous people, and witnessing a newsworthy / historical event involving that famous person, when you yourself are famous, seems like a clear indicator of notability. After all, he's a professional football player, but there are non-football topics mentioned in his article. RexSueciae (talk) 14:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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