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Does anyone have a suggestion for a book-length reference that pays particular attention to the Royal Americans prior to 1776?
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== 'universal in the British Army some 150 years later' ==

"a Swiss citizen, whose ideas on tactics, training and man-management (including the unofficial introduction of the rifle and more practical clothing suited to bush-fighting) would become universal in the British Army some 150 years later.'

This generalisation, which manages to be at once both unhelpfully vague and dense, risks overstating the case and needs to be unpicked. It reads like a regimental boast that does not stand up to scrutiny.

What are we saying took place, or was achieved by circa 1905? (1755+150)

The rifled musket had become general issue in the 1840s. At the same date all infantry regiments began to practice open order fighting drills and the distinction between line, light infantry and rifle regiments became matters of style rather than substance.. While experiments with looser clothing of subdued colour (other than rifle green- which became progressively less subdued) had been taking place since the 1850s, khaki became universal in India in the 1880s, for all foreign service in 1896 and universally in 1902. While attitudes to training and discipline of soldiers would become more enlightened by stages, the successive rifle regiments, down to the present 'Rifles,' would claim that their ethos still differs from other regiments. The gap has however narrowed considerably.

I have amended the sentence to make it less of a hostage to fortune. There may be a better way of putting it but I believe it is an improvement

"a Swiss citizen, whose forward-thinking ideas on tactics, training and man-management (including the unofficial introduction of the rifle and more practical clothing suited to bush-fighting) would come to be accepted as standard in the British Army many years in the future.'

== 'mastery of forest warfare' ==

"The new regiment at first lost several outlying garrisons such as Fort Michilimackinac, but finally proved its mastery of forest warfare under Bouquet's leadership at the victory of Bushy Run in August 1763"

Since Bouquet refers to 16 or 17 men of the 60th Royal Americans being with his column, and describes the decisive action at Bushy Run being a ruse executed by the contingent of Highlanders from the 42nd and 77th Regiments, this seems to be an exaggeration found in various versions of the regimental history.
[[User:JF42|JF42]] ([[User talk:JF42|talk]]) 19:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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'universal in the British Army some 150 years later'

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"a Swiss citizen, whose ideas on tactics, training and man-management (including the unofficial introduction of the rifle and more practical clothing suited to bush-fighting) would become universal in the British Army some 150 years later.'

This generalisation, which manages to be at once both unhelpfully vague and dense, risks overstating the case and needs to be unpicked. It reads like a regimental boast that does not stand up to scrutiny.

What are we saying took place, or was achieved by circa 1905? (1755+150)

The rifled musket had become general issue in the 1840s. At the same date all infantry regiments began to practice open order fighting drills and the distinction between line, light infantry and rifle regiments became matters of style rather than substance.. While experiments with looser clothing of subdued colour (other than rifle green- which became progressively less subdued) had been taking place since the 1850s, khaki became universal in India in the 1880s, for all foreign service in 1896 and universally in 1902. While attitudes to training and discipline of soldiers would become more enlightened by stages, the successive rifle regiments, down to the present 'Rifles,' would claim that their ethos still differs from other regiments. The gap has however narrowed considerably.

I have amended the sentence to make it less of a hostage to fortune. There may be a better way of putting it but I believe it is an improvement

"a Swiss citizen, whose forward-thinking ideas on tactics, training and man-management (including the unofficial introduction of the rifle and more practical clothing suited to bush-fighting) would come to be accepted as standard in the British Army many years in the future.'

'mastery of forest warfare'

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"The new regiment at first lost several outlying garrisons such as Fort Michilimackinac, but finally proved its mastery of forest warfare under Bouquet's leadership at the victory of Bushy Run in August 1763"

Since Bouquet refers to 16 or 17 men of the 60th Royal Americans being with his column, and describes the decisive action at Bushy Run being a ruse executed by the contingent of Highlanders from the 42nd and 77th Regiments, this seems to be an exaggeration found in various versions of the regimental history. JF42 (talk) 19:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]