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== Night of the Long Knives ==
== [[Night of the Long Knives]] ==


Consider this sentence: "The events of June 30, 1934 – the Night of the Long Knives – further solidified von Kleist-Schmenzin's opposition to the Nazi régime." My opinion that the phrasing, "further solidified his opposition," '''obscures the fact that he was roughly twelve years old when the Night of the Long Knives occurred.''' What is the nature of a twelve year old's opposition to a dictatorship? (Admittedly, Anne Frank was 13 when she began her famous diary, but need we assume that von Kleist-Schmenzin, a child of the aristocracy, was that politically aware at 12?) Rephrase? [[User:Mnentro|Mnentro]] 00:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Consider this sentence: "The events of June 30, 1934 – the Night of the Long Knives – further solidified von Kleist-Schmenzin's opposition to the Nazi régime." My opinion that the phrasing, "further solidified his opposition," '''obscures the fact that he was roughly twelve years old when the Night of the Long Knives occurred.''' What is the nature of a twelve year old's opposition to a dictatorship? (Admittedly, Anne Frank was 13 when she began her famous diary, but need we assume that von Kleist-Schmenzin, a child of the aristocracy, was that politically aware at 12?) Rephrase? [[User:Mnentro|Mnentro]] 00:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:12 years is old enough to dislike killers like Hitler and his henchmen, especially when his parents explain him the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:Matthead|Matthead]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Matthead|<span style="color:#ffff00; background:#0000cc;"><small>&nbsp;Discuß&nbsp;</small></span>]]&nbsp; 00:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the sentence is misleading, but I want to add that we have to assume that being a aristocrat would have made him more likely to be politically aware. Please consider that this was an age in which still only a small part of society would aquire sufficient education to fully judge about political processes and as a aristocrat in a politicized family that was oppossed to the rumblings of the time, I think it is highly likely that this would have been discussed. You also have to see it in the light of all the educational propaganda he would have been subjected to and the counterweight his family would have tried to be.... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.2.241.99|134.2.241.99]] ([[User talk:134.2.241.99|talk]]) 10:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Did not die in Oct 2007 ==
Just a hint: He is not dead, as I've talked with him some days ago. See the german wikipedia, where his dead is missing also. Please erase this passage. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.143.165.139|62.143.165.139]] ([[User talk:62.143.165.139|talk]]) 18:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Fixed that vandalsim, and added link to the Speech by Ewald-Heinrich von Kleist-Schmenzin, held on 15 November 2007, Stauffenberg 100th anniversary. --&nbsp;[[User:Matthead|Matthead]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Matthead|<span style="color:#ffff00; background:#0000cc;"><small>&nbsp;Discuß&nbsp;</small></span>]]&nbsp; 00:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Wikidata and Chinese Wikipedia ==

There's a problem on [[Ewald-Heinrich_von_Kleist-Schmenzin|this article]]. It doesn't seem to link up with [[zh:埃瓦爾德-海因里希·馮·克萊斯特-舒曼森|Chinese Wikipedia article]] over [[Wikidata]].<br>--''[[User:OnionBulb|OnionBulb]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:OnionBulb|Talk]]&nbsp;&frasl;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/OnionBulb|Contributions]]</sup>.- 05:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

== Political views ==

Was he like his father, a supporter of DNVP and annexation of territory from neighboring countries(like Stauffenberg wanted as well(? More information on his motivation would be welcomed. Not all resistance members were democrats or supporters of peaceful relations in Europe, despite their desire to remove Hitler.
--[[User:MyMoloboaccount|MyMoloboaccount]] ([[User talk:MyMoloboaccount|talk]]) 10:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Not quite the youngest ==

See:

See: https://www.gdw-berlin.de/en/recess/biographies/index_of_persons/biographie/view-bio/georg-sigismund-von-oppen/?no_cache=1 [[User:Maxmagno|Maxmagno]] ([[User talk:Maxmagno|talk]]) 18:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:55, 16 February 2024

Night of the Long Knives

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Consider this sentence: "The events of June 30, 1934 – the Night of the Long Knives – further solidified von Kleist-Schmenzin's opposition to the Nazi régime." My opinion that the phrasing, "further solidified his opposition," obscures the fact that he was roughly twelve years old when the Night of the Long Knives occurred. What is the nature of a twelve year old's opposition to a dictatorship? (Admittedly, Anne Frank was 13 when she began her famous diary, but need we assume that von Kleist-Schmenzin, a child of the aristocracy, was that politically aware at 12?) Rephrase? Mnentro 00:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

12 years is old enough to dislike killers like Hitler and his henchmen, especially when his parents explain him the situation. -- Matthead  Discuß   00:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the sentence is misleading, but I want to add that we have to assume that being a aristocrat would have made him more likely to be politically aware. Please consider that this was an age in which still only a small part of society would aquire sufficient education to fully judge about political processes and as a aristocrat in a politicized family that was oppossed to the rumblings of the time, I think it is highly likely that this would have been discussed. You also have to see it in the light of all the educational propaganda he would have been subjected to and the counterweight his family would have tried to be.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.241.99 (talk) 10:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did not die in Oct 2007

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Just a hint: He is not dead, as I've talked with him some days ago. See the german wikipedia, where his dead is missing also. Please erase this passage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.143.165.139 (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed that vandalsim, and added link to the Speech by Ewald-Heinrich von Kleist-Schmenzin, held on 15 November 2007, Stauffenberg 100th anniversary. -- Matthead  Discuß   00:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata and Chinese Wikipedia

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There's a problem on this article. It doesn't seem to link up with Chinese Wikipedia article over Wikidata.
--OnionBulb Talk ⁄ Contributions.- 05:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Political views

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Was he like his father, a supporter of DNVP and annexation of territory from neighboring countries(like Stauffenberg wanted as well(? More information on his motivation would be welcomed. Not all resistance members were democrats or supporters of peaceful relations in Europe, despite their desire to remove Hitler. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite the youngest

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See:

See: https://www.gdw-berlin.de/en/recess/biographies/index_of_persons/biographie/view-bio/georg-sigismund-von-oppen/?no_cache=1 Maxmagno (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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