Talk:Lincoln High School, New Zealand

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Need to get some decent history about the school from a teacher, I'd do it but i'm too lazy - PyroTom 10:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved at Lincoln High School, New Zealand. (non-admin closure) Sheldybett (talk) 06:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Lincoln High School (New Zealand) → Lincoln High School, Selwyn – According to our naming conventions, we use a comma rather than ellipses for disambiguation, and we use the city or town that the school is located in rather than "New Zealand". The school is located in Lincoln, New Zealand and it doesn't seem quite right to use "Lincoln" as a dab as there are dozens of American schools of this name that commemorate the American president Abraham Lincoln. There are a number of options here and I tend to favour the use of the district name as that is closest (as it were) to our convention of using the town's name: "Selwyn". Schwede66 17:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisted. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  20:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support Per WP:COMMADIS but wouldn't just Lincoln High School, New Zealand do? Indeed if it had a different name, it would presumably be disambiguated with "Lincoln" but that's not possible due to being tautological and there being multiple high schools with this name in other Lincolns. However I'm not that familiar with NZ's NC so I'll take whatever others think is best. An example is Newark Castle, Nottinghamshire, WP:UKPLACE specifies that places usually go under "Place, County" if ambiguous, but those located within a larger settlement get "Place, Larger settlement" but for the same reason Lincoln, England using the country, not county if the feature and settlement have variations of the same name, then we fall back on "Place, County", which would appear to be the case here (since NZ uses "Place, Country" by default to disambiguate). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

  Also we kept Category:People educated at Kelso High School, Scotland here, instead of Category:People educated at Kelso High School, Scottish Borders (with the article at Kelso High School, Scotland), even though the article on the town is at Kelso, Scottish Borders. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:COMMADIS is about place names not institution names and WP:NCNZ is similarly place name focused. Comma disambiguation gives a misleading impression that something is actually called that, comma and suffix et al. The current disambiguation works far better but no objection to moving to Lincoln High School (Selwyn). Timrollpickering 19:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Timrollpickering: you might want to have another look at WP:NCNZ as item 4 specifically mentions schools. I know that the New Zealand conventions are different to other conventions but we are discussing the naming of a NZ school; this is not the place to discuss the NZ conventions in general. Schwede66 19:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • The UK version also is to use commas for schools, like most geographical features, see Category:Schools in Suffolk. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. “Selwyn” does not even have a mention in the article. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Good point. Have amended the article (well, it's as skinny an article as it gets) and it now mentions the district. Schwede66 05:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support Lincoln High School, New Zealand. Yes, we use comma disambiguation for locations and buildings in most Commonwealth countries (NZ included). We usually use the town, but since it has the same name as the town... -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Prefer Lincoln High School, New Zealand. Obviously, yes, change parenthetical place disambiguation to comma, as is the dominant Wikipedia and real world style, but far from convinced to change to Selwyn. Choosing Selwyn seems pretty random, it is not much used, wasn't used in the article, is internationally ambiguous, and even nationally it is not unambiguous (village, electorate or district?). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Comma disambiguation is for place names only. A school is not a place. This is just flat-out inconsistent with the guidelines. Schwede66 is correct. --Bsherr (talk) 00:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • To emphasize this, I refer to the disambiguation page Lincoln High School at which every other entry uses parenthetical disambiguation as opposed to comma disambiguation. This would be the one outlier? --Bsherr (talk) 00:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
    • That's because all the others are in America, where parenthetical disambiguation is the norm. However, for Commonwealth countries (except Canada), comma disambiguation is the norm, for buildings as well as places. See Category:Schools in Wellington City for examples, and also the result of Talk:Wellington High School, New Zealand#Requested move 13 November 2018, which is an identical case to this one, as well as the already cited WP:NCNZ. The vast majority of non-Canadian Commonwealth buildings use comma disambiguation and those that don't already should. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
      • I’ve perused the Bs of the Commonwealth alphabet to check this. The Bahamas and Barbados use parentheses, Bangladesh uses comma, Belize uses a mix. Correct me if I am wrong, but this still contravenes the guideline, does it not? It seems like a right mess. Bsherr (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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