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While all my books are home, i can confirm that only 2 914/8s were ever produced. Both were race only vehicles, and after an dominating few seasons, were retired. Both now reside at the Porsche factory museum i believe. ([[User:Radiomanlaughs|Radiomanlaughs]] 08:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)) |
While all my books are home, i can confirm that only 2 914/8s were ever produced. Both were race only vehicles, and after an dominating few seasons, were retired. Both now reside at the Porsche factory museum i believe. ([[User:Radiomanlaughs|Radiomanlaughs]] 08:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)) |
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Radioman, my information says otherwise. The red 914-8 carried a full-on 300 HP 908 motor with MFI. It was licensed for street use, and was not to my knowledge ever entered in a race. The silver car had a de-tuned 908 engine only making 260 HP, and was a street car exclusively. [[User:Dave Darling|Dave Darling]] 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC) |
Radioman, my information says otherwise. The red 914-8 carried a full-on 300 HP 908 motor with MFI. It was licensed for street use, and was not to my knowledge ever entered in a race. The silver car had a de-tuned 908 engine only making 260 HP, and was a street car exclusively. [[User:Dave Darling|Dave Darling]] 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC) |
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Someone vandalized the page by placing at its end this text (which is nothing more than an advertisment): "The starter motor for the Porsche starter has become replaceable with a mini version. Where the orginal starter weighs as much as 18 pounds, the replacement starter weighs 8.5 pounds and carries 500 Foot Pounds of torque, making it a better replacement starter. Places to purchase this starter are located at www.powerforceproducts.com. |
Someone vandalized the page by placing at its end this text (which is nothing more than an advertisment): "The starter motor for the Porsche starter has become replaceable with a mini version. Where the orginal starter weighs as much as 18 pounds, the replacement starter weighs 8.5 pounds and carries 500 Foot Pounds of torque, making it a better replacement starter. Places to purchase this starter are located at <ref>[www.powerforceproducts.com]</ref>. I imagine that folks should probably inspect other Porsche pages for this sort vandalism. |
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Perhaps a mention of the starter is appropriate? The ad currently at the bottom of the article (for Auto Atlanta and GT Performance, and the 9014 body kit) probably should be removed as well... [[User:Dave Darling|Dave Darling]] 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC) |
Perhaps a mention of the starter is appropriate? The ad currently at the bottom of the article (for Auto Atlanta and GT Performance, and the 9014 body kit) probably should be removed as well... [[User:Dave Darling|Dave Darling]] 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC) |
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Well, it says VERY FIRMLY AND IN ALL CAPS not to add more links to this article, so I won't. But I thought the Voltsporsche kit might warrant a mention, since the 914 is one of the most stylish cars from which to start an electric conversion. But oh no, I won't link it. Not from here. |
Well, it says VERY FIRMLY AND IN ALL CAPS not to add more links to this article, so I won't. But I thought the Voltsporsche kit might warrant a mention, since the 914 is one of the most stylish cars from which to start an electric conversion. But oh no, I won't link it. Not from here. |
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== Entry level== |
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Shouldn't this go in the "entry level" bracket instead of the "sport" bracket. The 914, though a neat little car, is hardly a sport car compared to other Porsches like the 944 or even the 924. |
Shouldn't this go in the "entry level" bracket instead of the "sport" bracket. The 914, though a neat little car, is hardly a sport car compared to other Porsches like the 944 or even the 924. |
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*I think you'll find the bracket is "entry level sports car." <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.102.146.100|128.102.146.100]] ([[User talk:128.102.146.100|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*Porsche's official line is the entry-level Porsche is a pre-owned Porsche." <ref>[http://members.rennlist.com/944sandmore/history.htm]</ref> |
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[[User:-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-|-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-]] ([[User talk:-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-|talk]]) 10:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC) |
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==Sports cars== |
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The 914, though a neat little car, is hardly a sport car compared to other Porsches like the 944 or even the 924. |
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*The definition of "[[sports car]]" is open to a whole lot of interpretation, and the 914 is no less appropriate for that category than the (also entry-level) 924 and 944. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.102.146.100|128.102.146.100]] ([[User talk:128.102.146.100|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*A [[Rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout|mid-engined design]] is closer to competition sports car designs of today, than front engined cars. Anywhere handling, braking and balance cannot be compromised the mid-engined design will be found. [[Karl Ludvigsen]] wrote: A mid-engine design .. would put "[[Porsche]] in the position of being able to draw direct marketing parallels between the successes of its mid-engined racing cars...and the attributes of production cars.” <ref>[http://auto.howstuffworks.com/porsche-914-history.htm]</ref> |
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*In most automobiles, and in sports cars especially, ideal car handling requires balanced traction between the front and rear wheels when cornering in order to maximize the possible speed around curves without sliding out. <ref>[http://www.wheelsofitaly.com/wiki/index.php/Mid-engine_design]</ref> The mid-engined layout is commonly found only in sports cars—the motor is centre-mounted in the chassis, and powers only the rear wheels. <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car#Layout]</ref> Because of successes in racing, the [[rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout]] platform as used on the 914, has been popular for road-going sports cars. The [[Porsche 924|924]] and [[Porsche 944|944]] are not on the list for either [[RMR]], [[FMR]], [[MF]], or [[FMA]] layouts used by normal sports cars built today. <ref>[http://www.wheelsofitaly.com/wiki/index.php/Mid-engine_design]</ref> |
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*The point is that the [[Mid-engine design|mid-engine layout]] as used on the [[Porsche 356/1|first Porsche]], the James Dean [[Porsche 550]] the neat little [[Porsche 914|914]], and the current [[Porsche Boxster|Boxster]]'s, and [[Porsche Cayman|Cayman]]'s, make these cars more pure sports cars than the big [[front-engine design|front-engined]] 924, 944, [[Porsche 928|928]], [[Porsche Cayenne|Cayenne]], and [[Porsche Panamera|Panamera]], or the soon to be extinct from all but [[vintage car]] racing, the [[rear-engine design|rear-engined]] [[Porsche 911 GT3|911]]. <ref>[http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/07/rumormill-next-gen-porsche-gt3-to-ditch-manual-transmission-re/3</ref> |
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*Suggested link: 914 Buyer's Guide: [http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/porsche-914/] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.81.105.213|75.81.105.213]] ([[User talk:75.81.105.213|talk]]) 15:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== See Also == |
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Removed "See Also" for the Honda Del Sol. The two cars have only a passing similarity. The MR2 more closely resembles the 914 in details, design, and overall character. Regardless, if we include every car that is "similar" we will soon be linking every car to every other car.[[Special:Contributions/63.111.32.66|63.111.32.66]] ([[User talk:63.111.32.66|talk]]) 21:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Fuel Capacity == |
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I've corrected the fuel capacity from 59L to 62L. All of my reference material (including several period magazine reprints and the Haynes workshop manual) indicates that the capacity is 16.4 U.S. gallons or 62 liters. None of them have the 59 liter figure. [[User:AtxApril|AtxApril]] ([[User talk:AtxApril|talk]]) 18:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Design evolution? == |
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Something is not right here. Either the translation in English is off, or these two cars are the same car. Why does it say "and the actual test car," what kind of language is that? |
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So what, it was given away? |
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What does that have to do with design evolution? |
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This motor trend link says nothing about Le Mans. |
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http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/c12_0601_1970_porsche_914/index.html |
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The 914 was [[Motor Trend]]'s [[Import Car of the Year]] for 1970<ref>{{cite web| url=http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/c12_0601_1970_porsche_914/index.html | title=1970 Porsche 914 - Motor Trend Import Car of the Year - Motor Trend Classic | year=2007 | publisher=Motor Trend | accessdate=2007-03-25}}</ref> and the actual test car that was eventually given away via a drawing at the New York Auto Show. A 914/6 piloted by Frenchmen [[Claude Ballot-Lena]] and [[Guy Chasseuil]] won the GTS class and finished sixth overall at the [[1970 24 Hours of Le Mans]].<ref>{{cite web | url=http://histoire.lemans.org/ACO/Year/searchclassfin.php3?lg=eng&s=d&recherche=1970 | title=Le Mans 24 Hours 1970 - Final Standings | year=2007 | publisher= | accessdate=2007-03-25}}</ref> |
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[[User:-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-|-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-]] ([[User talk:-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo-|talk]]) 03:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC) |
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== Ambiguity regarding "verbal agreement" == |
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Article mentions a "verbal agreement" being broken by the new VW chairman during the initial development of the 914. What verbal agreement? In addition, a "verbal agreement" is an agreement based on words, either written or oral, while "oral agreement" is an agreement just spoken and not written - does the article really mean "oral agreement"? Again, if so, what "oral agreement"? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.11.85.188|96.11.85.188]] ([[User talk:96.11.85.188|talk]]) 18:37, 20 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Different photo needed == |
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At least one pic is needed showing the headlights in the raised position, as a) this drastically changes the appearance of the car, and b) this feature was insanely influential (this wasn't the ONLY car of the era to have it yet, but certainly one of the best known and most seen). — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span> 15:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:I changed one image accordingly, I hope you like it. And for that kind of edit (logical, not [[WP:OR]] or anything), you should feel free to just go ahead and do it yourself. Cheers, <span style="background:#007FFF;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">''' Mr.choppers | '''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎ </span>]]</span> 06:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC) |
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Have 2 iPhone pictures of the silver Porsche 914/8 at the Porsche Museum but don't see how to add them -- any help? KSVW <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Veedub51|Veedub51]] ([[User talk:Veedub51|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Veedub51|contribs]]) 14:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== "Self-supporting" body? == |
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Isn't a "self-supporting steel body" the same thing as a "[[unit body]]", and shouldn't there be a link to that article or something? (Seems like a lot of unlinked topics in these Porsche articles...I just read through a few, and one doesn't even link to [[Boxer engine]] although it talks about it. I never understood why someone would go through all the work of writing an article and then not take a couple minutes to add a few links to topics mentioned in the text.) I refer to the line in the info box comparing the different models. I would just change it, but I'm not 100% sure that "self-supporting" actually means "unit body", although I suspect it does. I've certainly never heard that term used before, in any case.[[User:.45Colt|.45Colt]] 04:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC) |
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914/8
[edit]Is there any verification that there were 3 914/8s made? A 914 specific site says that only two were...[1]
While all my books are home, i can confirm that only 2 914/8s were ever produced. Both were race only vehicles, and after an dominating few seasons, were retired. Both now reside at the Porsche factory museum i believe. (Radiomanlaughs 08:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC))
Radioman, my information says otherwise. The red 914-8 carried a full-on 300 HP 908 motor with MFI. It was licensed for street use, and was not to my knowledge ever entered in a race. The silver car had a de-tuned 908 engine only making 260 HP, and was a street car exclusively. Dave Darling 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Advertisments
[edit]Someone vandalized the page by placing at its end this text (which is nothing more than an advertisment): "The starter motor for the Porsche starter has become replaceable with a mini version. Where the orginal starter weighs as much as 18 pounds, the replacement starter weighs 8.5 pounds and carries 500 Foot Pounds of torque, making it a better replacement starter. Places to purchase this starter are located at [1]. I imagine that folks should probably inspect other Porsche pages for this sort vandalism.
Perhaps a mention of the starter is appropriate? The ad currently at the bottom of the article (for Auto Atlanta and GT Performance, and the 9014 body kit) probably should be removed as well... Dave Darling 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
At one point, there was a category of commercial links. A Wikipedia monitor requested they be removed. Lawrence914 06:28, 8 February 2007 (CST)
Well, it says VERY FIRMLY AND IN ALL CAPS not to add more links to this article, so I won't. But I thought the Voltsporsche kit might warrant a mention, since the 914 is one of the most stylish cars from which to start an electric conversion. But oh no, I won't link it. Not from here.
References
- ^ [www.powerforceproducts.com]
Entry level
[edit]Shouldn't this go in the "entry level" bracket instead of the "sport" bracket. The 914, though a neat little car, is hardly a sport car compared to other Porsches like the 944 or even the 924.
- I think you'll find the bracket is "entry level sports car." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.102.146.100 (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Porsche's official line is the entry-level Porsche is a pre-owned Porsche." [1]
-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 10:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Sports cars
[edit]The 914, though a neat little car, is hardly a sport car compared to other Porsches like the 944 or even the 924.
- The definition of "sports car" is open to a whole lot of interpretation, and the 914 is no less appropriate for that category than the (also entry-level) 924 and 944. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.102.146.100 (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- A mid-engined design is closer to competition sports car designs of today, than front engined cars. Anywhere handling, braking and balance cannot be compromised the mid-engined design will be found. Karl Ludvigsen wrote: A mid-engine design .. would put "Porsche in the position of being able to draw direct marketing parallels between the successes of its mid-engined racing cars...and the attributes of production cars.” [1]
- In most automobiles, and in sports cars especially, ideal car handling requires balanced traction between the front and rear wheels when cornering in order to maximize the possible speed around curves without sliding out. [2] The mid-engined layout is commonly found only in sports cars—the motor is centre-mounted in the chassis, and powers only the rear wheels. [3] Because of successes in racing, the rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout platform as used on the 914, has been popular for road-going sports cars. The 924 and 944 are not on the list for either RMR, FMR, MF, or FMA layouts used by normal sports cars built today. [4]
- The point is that the mid-engine layout as used on the first Porsche, the James Dean Porsche 550 the neat little 914, and the current Boxster's, and Cayman's, make these cars more pure sports cars than the big front-engined 924, 944, 928, Cayenne, and Panamera, or the soon to be extinct from all but vintage car racing, the rear-engined 911. [5]
-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 10:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- Suggested link: 914 Buyer's Guide: [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.105.213 (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
References
See Also
[edit]Removed "See Also" for the Honda Del Sol. The two cars have only a passing similarity. The MR2 more closely resembles the 914 in details, design, and overall character. Regardless, if we include every car that is "similar" we will soon be linking every car to every other car.63.111.32.66 (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Fuel Capacity
[edit]I've corrected the fuel capacity from 59L to 62L. All of my reference material (including several period magazine reprints and the Haynes workshop manual) indicates that the capacity is 16.4 U.S. gallons or 62 liters. None of them have the 59 liter figure. AtxApril (talk) 18:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Design evolution?
[edit]Something is not right here. Either the translation in English is off, or these two cars are the same car. Why does it say "and the actual test car," what kind of language is that?
So what, it was given away?
What does that have to do with design evolution?
This motor trend link says nothing about Le Mans. http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/c12_0601_1970_porsche_914/index.html
The 914 was Motor Trend's Import Car of the Year for 1970[1] and the actual test car that was eventually given away via a drawing at the New York Auto Show. A 914/6 piloted by Frenchmen Claude Ballot-Lena and Guy Chasseuil won the GTS class and finished sixth overall at the 1970 24 Hours of Le Mans.[2]
-oo0(GoldTrader)0oo- (talk) 03:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
References
- ^ "1970 Porsche 914 - Motor Trend Import Car of the Year - Motor Trend Classic". Motor Trend. 2007. Retrieved 2007-03-25.
- ^ "Le Mans 24 Hours 1970 - Final Standings". 2007. Retrieved 2007-03-25.
Ambiguity regarding "verbal agreement"
[edit]Article mentions a "verbal agreement" being broken by the new VW chairman during the initial development of the 914. What verbal agreement? In addition, a "verbal agreement" is an agreement based on words, either written or oral, while "oral agreement" is an agreement just spoken and not written - does the article really mean "oral agreement"? Again, if so, what "oral agreement"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.85.188 (talk) 18:37, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Different photo needed
[edit]At least one pic is needed showing the headlights in the raised position, as a) this drastically changes the appearance of the car, and b) this feature was insanely influential (this wasn't the ONLY car of the era to have it yet, but certainly one of the best known and most seen). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 15:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
- I changed one image accordingly, I hope you like it. And for that kind of edit (logical, not WP:OR or anything), you should feel free to just go ahead and do it yourself. Cheers, Mr.choppers | ✎ 06:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Have 2 iPhone pictures of the silver Porsche 914/8 at the Porsche Museum but don't see how to add them -- any help? KSVW — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veedub51 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
"Self-supporting" body?
[edit]Isn't a "self-supporting steel body" the same thing as a "unit body", and shouldn't there be a link to that article or something? (Seems like a lot of unlinked topics in these Porsche articles...I just read through a few, and one doesn't even link to Boxer engine although it talks about it. I never understood why someone would go through all the work of writing an article and then not take a couple minutes to add a few links to topics mentioned in the text.) I refer to the line in the info box comparing the different models. I would just change it, but I'm not 100% sure that "self-supporting" actually means "unit body", although I suspect it does. I've certainly never heard that term used before, in any case..45Colt 04:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)