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Hahaha typical biased

t alif (ألف). Arabic script at the time tended to not write out the silent alif.for non arabic speakers to read easier Allah hu Akbar you can stop Islam 82.20.80.153 (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the contents

The contents are important. This manuscript contains what is possibly the earliest attestation of full basmala. What do the sections talk about? Simply referring to ayat doesn’t help because of the need to go to non-Wikipedia sources to find out.74.96.7.2 (talk) 23:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need to understand dating

This article states, “They determined the radiocarbon date of the parchment to be 1465±21 years BP (before 1950), which corresponds with 95.4% confidence to the calendar years CE 568–645 when calibrated.”

Im quite a bit confused here and would appreciate clarification. If the radiocarbon is dating parchment to 1465 years BP (before 1950, + or - 21 years), that would give the parchment a date of 485CE (1950-1465 = 485CE, NOT 568), + or - 21 years.

Could someone help me out? What am I missing?? D2west26 (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@D2west26: The "radiocarbon date" is determined solely by the carbon isotope ratio in the sample. In order to determine an actual range of years, it has to be adjusted by the known variations in the atmospheric isotope ratio in past years. This is explained at Radiocarbon calibration. Zero^talk 04:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Radiocarbon date ==
+== Hahaha typical biased ==
+t alif (ألف). Arabic script at the time tended to not write out the silent alif.for non arabic speakers to read easier Allah hu Akbar you can stop Islam [[Special:Contributions/82.20.80.153|82.20.80.153]] ([[User talk:82.20.80.153|talk]]) 18:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
-"which corresponds with 95.4% confidence to the calendar years CE 568–645 when calibrated". I just want to note that the new calibration curve INTCAL20 released this year changes the range a little: CE 577–646. The most likely ranges (in total 68.3%) are 597–611 and 616–641.  I'm not adding this as it can be considered OR until it is published. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 01:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
+== Where are the contents  ==
-:Let me figure a way to add this. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 13:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
+The contents are important. This manuscript contains what is possibly the earliest attestation of full basmala. What do the sections talk about? Simply referring to ayat doesn’t help because of the need to go to non-Wikipedia sources to find out.[[Special:Contributions/74.96.7.2|74.96.7.2]] ([[User talk:74.96.7.2|talk]]) 23:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
-== Oldest? ==
+== Need to understand dating ==
-Dating only to 568, how is this the oldest in the world? The [[Dead Sea Scrolls]] are at least 500 years older. [[User:Rosengarten Zu Worms|Rosengarten Zu Worms]] ([[User talk:Rosengarten Zu Worms|talk]]) 11:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
-: You have the [[Quran]] confused with the [[Bible]]. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 11:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
+This article states, “They determined the radiocarbon date of the parchment to be 1465±21 years BP (before 1950), which corresponds with 95.4% confidence to the calendar years CE 568–645 when calibrated.”
-== Hahaha typical biased ==
+Im quite a bit confused here and would appreciate clarification.  If the radiocarbon is dating parchment to 1465 years BP (before 1950, + or - 21 years), that would give the parchment a date of 485CE (1950-1465 = 485CE, NOT 568), + or - 21 years.
-t alif (ألف). Arabic script at the time tended to not write out the silent alif.for non arabic speakers to read easier Allah hu Akbar you can stop Islam [[Special:Contributions/82.20.80.153|82.20.80.153]] ([[User talk:82.20.80.153|talk]]) 18:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
+Could someone help me out? What am I missing?? [[User:D2west26|D2west26]] ([[User talk:D2west26|talk]]) 00:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
-== Where are the contents  ==
+: {{Re|D2west26}} The "radiocarbon date" is determined solely by the carbon isotope ratio in the sample. In order to determine an actual range of years, it has to be adjusted by the known variations in the atmospheric isotope ratio in past years. This is explained at [[Radiocarbon calibration]]. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 04:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
-The contents are important. This manuscript contains what is possibly the earliest attestation of full basmala. What do the sections talk about? Simply referring to ayat doesn’t help because of the need to go to non-Wikipedia sources to find out.[[Special:Contributions/74.96.7.2|74.96.7.2]] ([[User talk:74.96.7.2|talk]]) 23:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)