Jump to content

Talk:Maria-sama ga Miteru: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Browse history interactively
← Previous edit
Content deleted Content added
VisualWikitext
Cewbot (talk | contribs)
Bots
7,634,197 edits
m Maintain {{WPBS}}: 6 WikiProject templates. Keep majority rating "GA" in {{WPBS}}. Remove 6 same ratings as {{WPBS}} in {{WikiProject Anime and manga}}, {{WikiProject LGBT studies}}, {{WikiProject Novels}}, {{WikiProject Catholicism}}, {{WikiProject Women writers}}, {{WikiProject Women artists}}.
 
(37 intermediate revisions by 18 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{GA|15:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)|topic=Language and literature|oldid=566814117|page=1}}
{{Translated article|es|Maria-sama ga Miteru}}
{{WikiProject Anime and manga|class=B|b1=y|b2=y|b3=y|b4=y|b5=y|b6=y|importance=mid}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=GA|1=
{{WikiProject Anime and manga|importance=Mid|light-novel-task-force=yes}}
{{LGBTProject | class=B}}
{{WikiProject LGBT studies}}
{{WikiProject Novels|importance=Low}}
{{WikiProject Catholicism|importance=Low}}
{{WikiProject Women writers |importance=Low}}
{{WikiProject Women artists }}
}}
<!--For the illustrations-->
{{copied
|from = List of Maria-sama ga Miteru internet radio shows
|to = Maria-sama ga Miteru
|diff = http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maria-sama_ga_Miteru&diff=291758161
|date = 05:18, 23 May 2009
}}


{{Archive box|auto=yes}}
== Is Yumi really ''"new" first-year student''? ==
At the start of the story, around 5 or 6 monthes have passed since her entrance to Lillian high school. Moreover she has been in Lillian academy since her kindergarten year.--[[User:132.179.39.36|132.179.39.36]]


{{Talk:Maria-sama ga Miteru/GA1}}
== Lily ==
the use of lilies reinforces this in subtext, as do the names of the student council and of the school itself.
It's disputable. Lily seems to be used as the symbol of Virgin Mary.--[[User:132.179.39.36|132.179.39.36]]


==Amount sold==
Perhaps it should be logged at a potential double entendre, then?--[[User:Aebliss|Art is life and life is an art.]] 06:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
"Over 5.4 million copies of the light novels have been published." --- pardon me if I'm mistaken, but don't you usually say "sold"? It sounds like there are 5.4 million separate published works surrounding the light novels. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/222.10.3.173|222.10.3.173]] ([[User talk:222.10.3.173|talk]]) 09:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:They're not exactly the same. I know there are some statistics surrounding the sale numbers of books on [[Oricon]], but the [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-26/live-action-maria-sama-ga-miteru-main-cast-presented reference cited] for that statement says "Shueisha has published 5.4 million copies of the original light novels", so that's the language used in the article. Just because Shueisha had published that many doesn't mean that many were sold at the time, although considering the print runs for these books, the total sales number was probably close to that number, but again, that's not what the reference says.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<span style="color:black;">十</span>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<span style="color:red;">八</span>''']]</span> 11:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


== External links modified ==
IMHO... No. See "To Yuri, or Not to Yuri" below. --[[User:Stahlwolf|Stahlwolf]] 18:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I agree with the previous comments about the lily references being disputable. I'll even go as far as to say that perhaps it's not as Yuri as everyone thinks with the one exception. I think the difference falls between homosexual and homosocial relationships and the audiences lack of ability to decipher the two, hence it's automatically labeled Yuri. On top of that, I could be wrong, but the flowers look like roses to me, as in rosary, not lilies.


I have just modified 5 external links on [[Maria-sama ga Miteru]]. Please take a moment to review [[special:diff/820876827|my edit]]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes:
== Soeurs vs. S&oelig;urs ==
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090113180511/http://cobalt.shueisha.co.jp/osusume/yumenomiya/index2.html to http://cobalt.shueisha.co.jp/osusume/yumenomiya/index2.html
I'm not a speaker of French, but it seems like this French website spells it as Soeurs. [http://mariamite.free.fr/maria_ecole.htm] -- [[User:69.212.100.83|69.212.100.83]]
*Added archive https://archive.is/20130717085801/http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/jW8RGI5c9h4RrSV-GV/browse/item/95124/4/0/0 to http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/jW8RGI5c9h4RrSV-GV/browse/item/95124/4/0/0
:Same thing. oe (single letters) functions the same as the œ combined character. Same thing with ae and æ.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 00:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/yPR7bYzyj=qRDCiiII/browse/item/78901/4/0/0
*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/yPR7bYzyj=qRDCiiII/browse/item/78902/4/0/0
*Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/yPR7bYzyj=qRDCiiII/browse/item/87232/4/0/0
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080730061346/http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-season-1-collection_article_80231.html to http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-season-1-collection_article_80231.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080801225051/http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-episode-1-sampler_article_80359.html to http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-episode-1-sampler_article_80359.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100405201353/http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-season-4-collection_article_121575.html to http://www.mania.com/maria-watches-over-season-4-collection_article_121575.html


When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
== Lillian ==


{{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}}
Hello, I haven't seen the TV series, but as far as on novels, Lilian is not a boarding school. Every students referred in works live with their family.


Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 03:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
:... now that you mention it, that sounds right. Didn't Yumi live at home? I'm reluctant to change the article on my memory alone, though. --[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel]] 06:12, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)

:: Yumi and the rest do have homes to go to after school. Lillian is not a boarding school. It is a large campus comprised of many schools from kindergarten to college. There are, however, college dorms, as indicated in the third novel when Sei mentions Shiori living there. And a convent. So, while living 'on campus' is possible, just not plausible during prepatory studies. --[[User:Stahlwolf|Stahlwolf]] 05:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

== Voice actors ==

The following may be useful once the second season can be written about...

- From http://forums.animesuki.com/archive/index.php/t-16881.html:

* Matsudaira Touko is voiced by Kugimiya Rie (Rizel in "Rizelmine" and Alphonse Elric in "Fullmetal Alchemist")

* Nijou Noriko is voiced by Shimizu Kaori (Iwakura Lain in "serial experiments lain" and Miyashita Touka in "Boogiepop Phantom")

Kugimiya Rie: &#37336;&#23470;&#29702;&#24693;
&nbsp;
Shimizu Kaori: &#28165;&#27700;&#39321;&#37324; (official HP: http://www.kaoryclub.com/)

I haven't verified any of this, mind. But, once blurbs can be written for them, these seiyuu will also need articles...

(Please remove this section from the Talk: once it's included in the article proper.)

--[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel]] 06:12, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)

== Things removed ==

Removed: TV series being based on the manga. The novels came first (1988), followed by the anime (Jan 2004), the manga (Feb 2004) and the Drama CD series. The anime series has very little to do with the manga and vice-versa, being made almost simultaneously, with no co-ordination. -- [[User:219.93.174.100|219.93.174.100]]

: Actually the manga version first appeared in a sem-monthly [[shojo]] manga magazine ''Margaret'' in 2003 before the anime. Volume 1 of the [[tankōbon]] was later sold in 2004. --[[User:Tokek|Tokek]] 03:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
: Also, multiple sources say the first volume of the novel came out in 1998, not 1988. --[[User:Tokek|Tokek]] 04:18, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

: ''Even before the animated series was produced, the Marimite novels and manga had - and still have - an enormous yuri fandom as well.'' needs correction too. --[[User:132.179.39.36|132.179.39.36]]

Removed: "At the TV series release, reportedly half of all yuri fanwork distributed in Japan, such as on [[2chan]], was based on ''Marimite''." Reported by whom? And honestly, I just checked 2chan's yuri board -- the first thing I saw was a picture of cats gathered around a mouse or hamster cage with the caption 'Tasukete onee-sama~' followed by a picture of [[Alf]] captioned something like 'Tasukete yarou!' Is this really encyclopedic? --[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel]] 17:33, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

:Also removed, after copyediting:
:* ''Marimite'' has also popularized the phrase &#12372;&#12365;&#12370;&#12435;&#12424;&#12358; (''gokigen'y&#333;'', an [[Politeness and respect (Japanese language)|honorific]] (''teinei'') phrase used both as a greeting and as a parting) among both [[Japan]]ese and [[Anglophone]] [[fan (aficionado)|fan]]s of the show.
:It's not really encyclopedic yet; right now it's just ephemera. If it's still in use a year or two after the series ends, ''then'' it'll be encyclopedic. --[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel ]] [[User_talk:Aponar Kestrel|(talk)]] 01:32, 2004 Sep 15 (UTC)

==Third season==

The DVD releases for the third season OVA are now listed on http://www.animate-shop.jp (and no doubt other sites will follow). I've added what detail I can from them, but one unknown is the episode count - I suspect it should be 10, since I'm sure I've seen the figure 50min/DVD somewhere, but in the absence of a reference I've listed 5 (one per DVD).
[[User:SimonB NZ|SimonB NZ]] 06:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:http://www.animate.tv/nf/detail.php?id=0000000769 states the DVDs will be 50 minutes each, so I feel safe bumping the episode count up to 10 now [[User:SimonB NZ|SimonB NZ]] 08:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== Replacing pictures ==

Just took down the copyright-ambiguous pictures that had been removed earlier (and someone subsequently had put back in). I'm thinking at this point these pictures should proabably be removed outright and replaced with something known to be okay, like a screenshot or something.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 00:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

== External links ==

According to [[WP:EL]] there should only be one fansite listed per article. Do we need a French, Spanish and three Japanese fansites in the EL? --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 07:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

:Ordinarily I don't care enough to enforce that, but yeah, this was ... excessive. I've cut pretty much all of them out. (I left [[Hime-chan no Ribbon|Yumi-chan's Ribbon]] solely because it amused me, and shan't complain if it gets removed too.) &nbsp;&ndash;[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel]] [[User_talk:Aponar Kestrel|(talk)]] 06:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

== Time Paradox? ==

Hey, just finished watching episode 11 of the first season and... Why did Christmas came after Valentine's Day...?
I was wondering if the episodes were arranged like Suzumiya Haruhi, but it's the first time I noticed this not so coherent order of events. It's also weird that I can't seem to find any metion about this, here or on any other page. So, did I missed something or is it really an error? Thanks. [[User:ShinjiPG|ShinjiPG]] 19:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:Artistic license in depicting the order of events? Personally I just assumed that the episodes weren't arranged in strict chronological order and left it at that. I don't think it's terribly notable. &nbsp;&ndash;[[User:Aponar Kestrel|Aponar Kestrel]] [[User_talk:Aponar Kestrel|(talk)]] 14:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

::My point is, why did they suddenly changed the order of events if, so far, it was following a correct chronological order. Made no sense to me, artistically or not. There's something called "to be coherent". [[User:ShinjiPG|ShinjiPG]] 10:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::The Valentine's Day episode aired before the Christmas episode to coincide with the air date being near Valentine's Day 2004. --[[User:Stahlwolf|Stahlwolf]] 05:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

== To yuri, or Not to yuri.... ==

With all this talk about Marimite being yuri, it really isn't when you step back and take a good look. It's about students growing up in high school. It just happens to be an all-girls school. There are relationships, crushes, and a romance, but it's not at all ''graphic'' as yuri is said to be. Shoujo ai is more commonplace in this series, and all the references to yuri doujinshi and the like seems to tarnish the luster of this drama. This story is not fantsy-based. There are no magic users or robots. No inuendoes of pulling swords in and out of peoples bodies. The background to Marimite is that of real-life.... or reality. That's why there are no bright colors. No weird hair styles. No talking animals. It is my opinion that the term 'yuri' for Marimite should be filtered and paragraph in '''Story and Setting''' reference edited. --[[User:Stahlwolf|Stahlwolf]] 06:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

::You use the word "yuri" wrong. Yuri refers to all relationships between females with romantic undertones. Shoujo-ai is a term coined by confused westerners, and has little relevance. Further, yuri does not have much to do with a series being fantasy-based or not. The term yuri is thus highly appropriate. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/80.136.135.218|80.136.135.218]] ([[User talk:80.136.135.218|talk]]) 22:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

I agree with Stahlwolf on this one, not Yuri. Anonymous poster above is mistaken. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.82.114.23|68.82.114.23]] ([[User talk:68.82.114.23|talk]]) 22:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No, 80.136.135.218 was right. If you read the [[Yuri (term)]] article, it says that the loan term ''shōjo-ai'' was invented by westerners to differentiate between yuri (which is thought to be more explicit) and shōjo-ai (which is thought to be more implicit). However, this term is not only incorrectly used, but has no basis in the Japanese culture. In Japan, the term ''yuri'' is used for al female-female relationships regardless of severity, so this series is indeed yuri.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 22:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
::This is definitely yuri, no doubt about it. Not only does it comply with every definition of what yuri is, but you'd have to be stupid not to notice it. Anyone who thinks this isn't yuri is totally in denial.--[[Special:Contributions/mahq|mahq]] ([[User talk:mahq|talk]]) 16:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

=="Questionable art quality"==

Seems like an intrusion of opinion into what should be a factual article. [[User:DavidJohns|DavidJohns]] 02:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:If it's been noted in reviews etc. then it's part of the critical reception of the series. - [[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] 04:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Shouldn't those reviews be cited, then? There is one review ([http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=667]) linked at the bottom of the article, and it doesn't contain anything about questionable art quality. In fact, it it very positive about the art. "questionable art quality" sounds very much like opinion. It doesn't belong in the section of the article it's currently in (having nothing to do with the story or setting), it belongs in a "reception" section, and it doesn't belong in the article at all unless it can be backed up with some reviews. Right now it's pretty much weasel-wording. [[User:24.69.167.159|24.69.167.159]] 19:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm guessing this was a typo. I suspect the original author meant to type "unquestionable." It makes much more sense in the context of the sentence/paragraph, which immediately goes on to discuss artistic choices, etc. [[User:K8inorbit|K8inorbit]] 15:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: From that interview: "While the animation itself isn't particularly spectacular (and Studio Deen's work apparently fluctuates in later episodes), the artwork is very appealing,..." - [[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] 00:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Wheres the info?==

All thats in the article is a brief description of the premise, and of the characters involved. There is next to no info on how the story develops, or anything other than what is in the anime series......there is no info on the manga or novel version for example. Where is it? -- [[Question2]]

:Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a [[wiki]], so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the '''Edit this page''' link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to [[Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|be bold in updating pages]]. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out [[Wikipedia:how to edit a page|''how to edit a page'']], or use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] to try out your editing skills. [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|New contributors are always welcome]]. You don't even need to [[Special:Userlogin|log in]] (although there are [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|many reasons why you might want to]]). There is a Spanish FA that you could translate. Please put new questions on the bottom of the page. - [[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Is Kashiwagi really gay? ==

One section under the character description of Kashiwagi says he's "gay and in love with Yumi's brother, Yuuki". That's... questionable. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/169.229.80.180|169.229.80.180]] ([[User talk:169.229.80.180|talk]]) 09:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Acording to the manga, yes, he is gay (Though it seems they didn't make it so explicit nor clear in the anime), and considering that Kashiwagi and Yuuki are often seen close, it's quite posible (It might be official in the manga too, but I still haven't read the whole of it) ([[User:Alexlayer|Alexlayer]] 01:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

::Yeah, he's gay. As for him crushing on Yuuki, maybe it's more of a novel thing? (or the manga/anime just hasn't caught up yet. - [[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

''"When I entered high school, what do you think Suguru-san said when he came to my high school entrance party? 'I can see myself in you, so if we got married, it would surely turn out well. We each could live as we pleased, let's stay out of each other's hair.' When I asked 'What do you mean?' he confessed 'You might not like this, but for sex partners, I only like men.' So if I want to have children, I have to take a lover from outside the marriage. It looks like he would accept my children in the family, and they could inherit the Ogasawara group. He said since they'll be more or less connected by blood, he'll still love them. What in the world is he thinking? He thinks I'm a fool."'' [http://ziggr.com/mariasama/]
==Fair use rationale for Image:Sei&Shimako.jpg==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
'''[[:Image:Sei&Shimako.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].

Please go to [[:Image:Sei&Shimako.jpg|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->

[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 02:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
==Fair use rationale for Image:Sei & Shiori.jpg==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
'''[[:Image:Sei & Shiori.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].

Please go to [[:Image:Sei & Shiori.jpg|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->

[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 02:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Attention: Translation website to be removed on all Marimite articles ==

Due to copyright concerns outlined at [[WP:COPYRIGHT]], the English language translation project, linked on some (if not all) Marimite articles, [http://ziggr.com/mariasama/ http://ziggr.com/mariasama/], will be removed without question due to copyright infringment and the unauthorized creation of a derivitive work from the novels. This is a notice to anyone who wishes to know why the website got removed. At [[WP:COPYRIGHT#Linking to copyrighted works]], it states:

''However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of [[contributory infringement]] in the United States ([http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/cjoyce/copyright/release10/IntRes.html ''Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry'']). Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors.''--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 03:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:I will be inserting [http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/http://ziggr.com/mariasama/ this], then, which is not a copyright infringement. StumbleUpon does not carry an author's work - it links to a file/parts of a file which is/are hosted elsewhere. So links to the StumbleUpon are just as valid here on WIkipedia as links to Google are (like [http://www.google.com/search?q=ziggr.com%2Fmariasama&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a this]). Note: part of this comment is ''not'' mine, but rather copied over from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Pirate_Bay#Removing_links_to_The_Pirate_Bay here]. Regards, [[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 13:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::Guess I'm going to have to make it more clear then: '''Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States.''' The site in question still holds a link to the translation site, which is contributory infringement on their part, and yours; removing again on this basis.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 13:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This comment was not made by me, but rather by someone else [[Talk:The_Pirate_Bay#Removing_links_to_The_Pirate_Bay|here]]. [http://www.netvouz.com/Nietzsche This] doesn't violate copyright. No copyrighted material is found on their servers. Regards, [[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 14:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:The_Pirate_Bay#Removing_links_to_The_Pirate_Bay|Please click here for something important, and click on this link before responding to this message.]] You missed the key element with your bolding: "if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, '''do not link to that copy of the work'''". [http://www.netvouz.com/Nietzsche This], is not a link to any work, but to another website or nothing that is copyright violation, and it is perfectly clear that in Wikipedia we can link to it. It doesn't matter if the site or organisation doings are legal or not. (Like homepages of Al-qaida, Hells angels, Kavkaz Center, CIA, etc etc,,,). Regards, [[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 22:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::::While I still think you're trying to cut corners, I guess you're technically right. I still don't like it though.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 01:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::A partially irrelevant comment: It's just that I saw that surely one could link to The Pirate Bay, so I felt a need to somehow make it consistent one way or another, and this is by trying to see how your argument fails by presenting it to those at The Pirate Bay, and getting the answers from them. Regards, [[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 01:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::What are you talking about? I'm not involved with [[The Pirate Bay]] article.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 02:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I know, I just copied your comments over to The Pirate Bay talk page. That's all. Regrads, [[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 17:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

==Marimite promoting Pizza Hut?==
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-19/marimite-pizza-hut-japan-campaign-fan-disk-announced - it seems that the Yamayurikai will be promoting Pizza Hut in the near future... is this pertinent to the article? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 12:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think it would be okay to add it into Reception; I mean just how many anime series out there promote fast-food chains?--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 01:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Characters Section ==

Considering there's already an article about the characters of the anime, shouldn't we delete the whole Character section in the main article leaving only the "Main article: List of Maria-sama ga Miteru characters" right under the Yamayurikai heading? Otherwise, it's all repeated information.

Just a thought. --[[User:Alexlayer|Alexlayer]] ([[User talk:Alexlayer|talk]]) 21:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

: Actually, per [[WP:SS]] there should be a short summary here. In practice, for anime/manga series, this usually translates to quick blurb for each of the most important characters. In other words, more or less what we have now. Possibly this pages' entries could be trimmed a little more, but it's a decent ballance as it stands. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 22:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

==Avemarian==
Shouldn't somebody at least mention it?[[Special:Contributions/72.138.245.178|72.138.245.178]] ([[User talk:72.138.245.178|talk]]) 02:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anime license / article name==
Well, the name given to the English release of the anime by The Right Stuf Internationale is ''[[Maria Watches Over Us]]''. Still, I don't think we should move the article to that name. English-speaking readers commonly recognize this franchise by its native title, so per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use English words]] I suggest to leave the article as it is now. [[User:Kazu-kun|Kazu-kun]] ([[User talk:Kazu-kun|talk]]) 20:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

: I concur, at least for now. It may in the future become better known by that translation, but until then ''Maria-sama ga Miteru'' is the best-known title. (Heh. Just noticed that Right Stuf's url for the announcement uses "maria-sama".) —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 22:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::The Right Stuf even used ''Maria-sama ga Miteru'' as a subtitle on the [http://maria-sama.rightstuf.com/ website], so I also agree that the article should retain the title ''Maria-sama ga Miteru''. If, perhaps, a separate anime article is created in the future, it can be properly named ''Maria Watches Over Us''.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="0066cc">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="ff66cc">八</font>''']]</span> 23:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Am just wondering if we should standardise mentions of the Lillian school to be "Lillian Girls' Academy", as that's what they seem to be translating "Shiritsu Ririan Jogakuen" as. Does anyone know how they handled this in the Animax dub? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 04:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

==Just wondering...==
Hairston's article describes a few of the setting mechanisms - would it be appropriate to use him as a citation for that, or should we just leave it as it is? (with the implicit assumption that you can pick up any of it by watching the series.) -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 22:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:We must source as much as possible. So, yes, it is appropriate to use that article as reference. [[User:Kazu-kun|Kazu-kun]] ([[User talk:Kazu-kun|talk]]) 03:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

:: Just wondering -- what article by Hairston? Do you mean his review of [[Maria-sama ga miteru]] in Mechademia volume 1? [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 01:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes, that's precisely the one I mean. I've used it in the reception section a bit, but I was also querying whether we could also use his discussion of the series concepts, like the council and the soeur system, or if it could just be cited to the series itself. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 23:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it'd be an excellent source for discussing the council and soeur system. Mechademia is a genuinely scholarly journal so it's fine for what you want to do. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 14:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

==[[WP:PROD|proposed deletion]] of [[Maribato]]==
I've proposed the deletion of the article [[Maribato]] as I'm not sure that it's [[WP:N|notable]]. Just thought I should put a quick note about it here. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 10:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== Season 4? ==

I think it would be nice to have a section stating the status of season 4. I would start it but I don't have access to much info about it. Maybe someone here does? Thanks for your time! [[User:Bluetd|Bluetd]] ([[User talk:Bluetd|talk]]) 16:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It's already mentioned in the second paragraph of the anime sub-section; it doesn't need it's own section. And, as of now, I believe all the information known about the fourth season is in the article.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 03:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

::Does [http://moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html this] count as a RS? Apparently Season 4 will air in January 2009, but there's some kind of asterisked proviso that I can't read. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 00:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure. There's something about the asterisk at the top, but I couldn't figure out what it meant other than perhaps the ones asterisked are subject to change. In any case, I'd rather wait for a better source.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 04:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Season 4 is done now. Probably need to change the text for that now. Any word on a 5th season? [[User:Bluetd|Bluetd]] ([[User talk:Bluetd|talk]]) 15:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:Discussed right now among amateurs of this series. We will update when will have anything official so no room for speculations however discussion consensus is that there is enough material for an OVA or 5th seasons. so wait and see. --[[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] 21:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== I just removed some linkspam ==

The link connected to a large image from someone named "Zodiac" who was raving and ranting about something. I removed the link. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 16:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:Uh, what? You removed the [[Anime News Network]] link which is not spam, or appreciated.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 20:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::I've seen this before - the Zodiac person edits a template as can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Ann_anime&oldid=233347499 in this diff] and it stuffs up all the pages that have the template on it. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 21:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 21:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:::: Thanks, Malkinann. Yes, that's the crud I removed. Maybe, Juhachi, you should be a trace more willing to assume good faith than you are. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 22:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::Considering this all could have been avoided if you had just reverted the vandalism on the template first, I wouldn't have had to assume anything.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 01:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Sigh... I did not know know where the spam was entering. What template? The one that Malkinann mentioned? How does one edit it? If we click on the "template" link in the stuff Malkinann linked to, no explanation is given for how to modify it or how to remove garbage from it -- that link just tells you how to use the Ann_anime template. So I don't know where the spam is coming from nor how to remove it. If you think that's the source of the problem, why don't you edit the tenplate yourself, since you know how? [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 03:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, I see what's going on. You're right in that the vandalism diff linked by Malkinann is a little difficult to edit for the typical user as there is no "edit" link. However, even if you can't see the edit link, realizing that the history of any page can be see by taking the history url from one page (say [[Maria-sama ga Miteru]]) and removing the "Maria-sama_ga_Miteru" text, and replacing it with "Template:Ann_anime", which is the template in question that was vandalized ({{tl|ann anime}}), and then reverting the vandalism by clicking the "undo" link next to the vandalized edit. That's what a user could do, even though it's laborious. I have double-click editing enabled, so even if an edit link isn't visible I can still edit (and it's quicker since I don't have to worry about finding the nearest "edit" link).

:And I know you're not stupid. You realized the ANN link was the problem, and removed it. However, knowing that the ANN link is rendered by a template ({{tl|ann anime}}), and knowing how to revert the vandalism in cases like these would be a good thing to know since it wouldn't cause unnecessary misunderstandings like this. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. If you need help, please ask an administrator, or go to the [[WP:Help desk|help desk]].--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 06:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::And when I say, ever-so-coolly, that "I've seen this before", I mean "I've seen this before, and I ran crying all the way to [[WP:AIV]], where I listed the vandalism and said 'I don't know what to dooo!' and they fixed it for me." Because that's what happened. You did better than I did to isolate the offending template, Tim. I'm glad youse have sorted this out with the extra information I was able to provide about the vandal. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 08:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::: OK, so we're laboriously getting this together. Juhachi, thanks for the detailed info about fixing this -- it's useful information. I've inserted a good many ANN refs in various articles, but this is the first time I've ever heard there was an ANN template. I may use it in the future but if it risks waking up Zodiac again, maybe I won't -- <grin>. Identifying that template -- it was the crucial evidence, Malkinann, the '''crucial evidence''' against this malefactor! OK, back to more patrolling and reverting and adding new, but spam-free stuff. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 13:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

==Yume no Miya==
On Cobalt's website, I found [http://cobalt.shueisha.co.jp/osusume/yumenomiya/index2.html this site] for Yume no Miya 夢の宮 which is Konno's prior work. Can anyone see anything on that website which refers to the prizes/awards Yume no Miya recieved? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 01:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:There's nothing about prize or awards. It's just talking about the story, premise, characters, setting, and book list.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 02:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::Aw. :( Is Yume no Miya on hiatus, or has it concluded? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 03:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:::It doesn't say but it was being published regularly until late 2001, and then it went on hiatus and the next (and last) one came out in September 2005, so I guess it's still possible the author will write more.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 10:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm just trying to think of how to reword that she was already an established author with Yume no Miya (1994-2001, 2005) and remove the unverifiable stuff about the prize. Any ideas?-[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 11:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I see. But something is off since the article states she won a prize in 1993, but the first book in ''Yume no Miya'' came out in 1994...--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 22:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::Maybe the novel was serialised in the magazine through 1993, won the award and was published in "tankobon format" in '94? I don't know. I wonder if it even works that way... I've removed the mention of the prizes for now, and had a whack at rewording the allusion to Yume no Miya. -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 00:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Added Reference to Protoculture Article ==

I just added a reference for the overall content and style of ''Marimite'' from the current (print) issue of ''Protoculture'' (issue #97). Nothing about prizes, though...just a good article that deals, in part, with the ''yuri'' themes of the story. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] ([[User talk:Timothy Perper|talk]]) 17:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:Cool! Thank you, Tim! I hear tell that the final issue of [[PiQ]] had an article on Marimite too... Does anyone have access to a copy? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 21:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another ANN review ==

You guys are probably all over it already, but there's a second review of S1 at [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/shelf-life/2008-08-25 ANN]. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 02:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Cool, thanks! :) I've found [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=66176 this], in which it says that Konno Oyuki didn't base Lillian on any specific school, but it's posted in the forums as part of a convention report. ;-; Can we use it? -[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 03:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

::Wait just a second. Considering how she answered the question, it seems she's talking about the soeur system being her own creation, not about the school's design itself, which is what is stated in this article's settings and themes section. If we can find a source, I believe we'll find that she used [[Musashino Joshi Gakuin]] as a basis for the campus, and then (as she stated in the questionnaire) she created the concept of the soeur system. And no, we can't use it since it's a forum post.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 07:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Um, I find it hard to read "I didn't use any real world school" as meaning anything but exactly that, rather than a modifier of the following clause. But as Juhachi says, we can't directly use that as entirely reliable. It ''is'' enough, though, to make the claim she had a model debateable, and appropriately tagged with {{tl|fact}}. (If it can be shown to be a translation of one of the subpages at http://www.ccpa.org.tw/comic/ however, then it'd be a good transcript.) —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Considering that she did say the following clause "although I did use some personal experiences in all-girls high school and college", I do not think she would have said that had she not intended the first part of the sentence, "I didn't use any real world school" to draw context from the following clause. Plus, she brings up the soeur system, saying that it's a pity it doesn't exist. Why would she say that if she was intending to answer a question on the campus design, and not the school system? That is because I believe she took the question as "were there any real-world schools that had a similar school system", and she answered accordingly; that is not the same as "did you base Lillian off of any real-world schools that had a similar campus and/or were catholic schools", so you can't take her answer as answering for both the soeur system, and the campus design.--<span style="background:white;color:">[[User:Juhachi|'''<font color="black">十</font>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<font color="red">八</font>''']]</span> 00:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

And ANN has [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/maria-watches-over-us/dvd-season-2 reviewed season 2]. More material! —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 22:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Not ANN and not a full review, but an [http://uk.dvd.ign.com/articles/933/933047p1.html IGN review] of ''[[Aria (manga)|Aria]]'' compares the two series, which is fruitful commentary. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 20:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== About Animate fair warning ==

Just to inform people working on that article to prepare plan B when Animate will decide to close the Maria-sama ga Miteru web radio.
That happened for Aria (manga) so that's not a legend. I recommend you to start looking for alternate references & sources for when that will happen. [[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] 21:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:Geez as usual i end up finding the solution myself :(
:[http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animate.tv%2Fdigital%2Fweb_radio%2Fdetail_068.html&date=2009-02-09 Web citation archive: Maria-sama ga Miteru on Animate]

== Second season title ==

For the editors who wonder why the second season title is Printemps.<BR/>
The Japanese title is Haru meaning Spring in English. Nozomi the US licensor made the choice to use the French translation so Printemps.<BR/>
The choice is to stick with US release title. Thanks --[[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] 21:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

== 2 seasons of internet radio? ==

In [[:ja:Webラジオ マリア様がみてる]], the Japanese wiki page about the internet radio, they seem to treat it as being two seasons? --[[User:Malkinann|Malkinann]] ([[User talk:Malkinann|talk]]) 19:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 00:27, 19 February 2024

GA Review

[edit]
GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:Maria-sama ga Miteru/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SL93 (talk · contribs) 15:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent expansion and covers everything that is needed without going into too much detail. While I can pass this as it is, I am going to include a summary of what I did for this review for others to look over.
Well-written -
a. The prose is well written with no copyright violations.
b. WP:MOS has been followed.
Verifiable with no original research -
a. The citation format is consistent throughout the article.
b. Everything is reliably referenced except for information that has to do with the plot, but that does not need to be referenced.
c. The plot isn't referenced, but the reference for that is the manga itself.
Broad in its coverage -
a. The manga and all of its adaptations have plenty of information.
b. There is no unnecessary detail.
Neutral -
The article is neutral.
Stable:
The article is stable.
Images -
1. The images are correctly tagged as fair use.
2. Both of the images are relevant to the article.

Amount sold

[edit]

"Over 5.4 million copies of the light novels have been published." --- pardon me if I'm mistaken, but don't you usually say "sold"? It sounds like there are 5.4 million separate published works surrounding the light novels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.10.3.173 (talk) 09:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They're not exactly the same. I know there are some statistics surrounding the sale numbers of books on Oricon, but the reference cited for that statement says "Shueisha has published 5.4 million copies of the original light novels", so that's the language used in the article. Just because Shueisha had published that many doesn't mean that many were sold at the time, although considering the print runs for these books, the total sales number was probably close to that number, but again, that's not what the reference says.--十八 11:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Maria-sama ga Miteru. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Maria-sama_ga_Miteru&oldid=1208801828"