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taariikhda soomaaliyeed iyo luuqadeedaba ( MUKHTAAR JAAMAC BOORDAAN) OO IDINLA SOCOD SIINAYA TAARIIQDA AFKA SOMALIGA AH IYO WELIBA TAARIIKHDA SOOMAALIWAYN |
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somali landuages waa luuqad aad u wacan marka loo eego luuqadaha lagaga hadlo east africa in kastoo loogaga hadlo luuqada somaliga laba wadan too too ah iyo laba wadan oo haaf haaf lagaga hadlo balse maxay tahay luuqada somaliga ahi ? wa aluuqad aad u badan ereyadeedu halka kuwa kale ee africa ama aduunka qaar ay ku yar yihiin erayada oo ay isku soo laban laabmaan oo hal kelmad loogu istici maalayo dhoowr erey ama dhoowr kalmadood balse soomaaligu sidaa maaha ee waa luuqad aad u badan halkii kalmad ayaa iyada ah shan kalmadood amma ah kalmadii ayaa shan nooc loo yaqaan taana waxaa cadaynaysa inuu luuqada soomaaliga ahi uu aad u badan tahay balse soomaaliga afkiisa caadiga ah ee qorma waxaa loogaga hadlla gobalada dhexe gaar ahaan marka la eego mudug iyo sool labadaa gobal ayaa soo dhowayn kara ammaba ah ka la qoro iyagoo ku hadla labada gobol ee kala ah sool iyo sanaag iga hadii gaar ahaan loo eego waa labada gobel ee u dhexeeya koonfur soomaaliya iyo waqooyiga soomaaliya iyagoo labadaba fahmaye balse iyaga luuqadooda la qoraya ayaa hadana mid walba ay la dhaqmi karaan halka gobalada kale ay yihiin kuwa is fahan la aantoodu ay yartahay hadaan yara qooraan sado anoo ah mukhtaar jaamac boordaan xaagaa iyo koonfur koonfur waa meesha ugu qanisan soomaaliya lakiin waxaa ka jira afaf badan oo lagaga hadlo afafkaa oo ay ku hadlaan beelaha yar yar balse koonfur waa meesha soomaaliya ugu qani san gaar ahaan gobolada beeraha leh marka loo eego waqooyiga waa dhul aan beero lahayn wabina lahayn balse waa dad isku dhaqan ah soomaalidu ahna dad isku diin ahna dad wada dhashay balse waxaa muhiim ah oo ay wada og yihiin inay yihiin dad soomaaliwayn ah marka aan eego xagaa iyo ogaadeeniya waa gobal aad u wacan oo shidaal leh lagagana hadlo soomaaliga ahna dadku dad soomaaliya luuqada soomaaliga see baa loogaga hadlaa ama looga qoraa balse luuqada qoraalkeedu waa mid o ee o dhaahda ayaa kala duwan oo deegaan walba ay leeyihiin lahjad u gaar ah balse ogaadeeniya waa meesha dareensan soomaalinimada ah na dad habayn iyo dharaar ugu heelan sidii ay ugu soo laaban lahaayeen amma ay uga soo noqon laahaayeen cadowgooda oo ay gooni iskugu istaagi lahaayeen ee aan soomaaliga ilaawin marka loo eego xagaa iyo nfd marka loo eego soomaalida ku dhaqan keenya waa soomaali aad mooday so inay ka guurayso soomaali nimada oo aan qorina aana hadal kiisa si wacan u saxayn maxaa keenay taa se maxaa u sabab ah inay taasi dhacdo waxaa u sabab ah soomaali nimada ayaa ku yar lama o dhan karo soomaaliduna way fogaysay lama odhan karo ee sababta maxay tahay soomaaligu uua guurayo dadka ku dhaqan xaagaa iyo keenya ? taas waxaa la odhan karaa waa mid ay yagu isku gaysteen balse waxaa muhiim ah inay yihiin dad soomaaliya oo aad dadkoode kale u jecel yihiin hadana waa dad muwaadiniin uun ah balse soomaaliga la qoro waxaa laga yaaba ammba ay tahay inaysan qori karin waayo way ku yartahay iskuulada lagu bartaa soomaaliga halkaana marka aan ka talaabo aan u gudbo jabuuti jabuuti waa jasiirad aad u jecel wadani nimada ammaba walaaladooda soomaali wayn meel kasta hakaga noolaate soomaali wayn waa mid balse gumaystihii ayaa ka kala dhigay dhowr balse jabuuti maxay u haysaa soomaali nimo ? waxa ay u haysaa waa jabuuti waa muwaadiniin soomaaliyeed oo hadh iyo habeen ugu heelan soomaali nimada marka aynu sii raacno mowduuceenii ku sahabsanaa ee ahaa afka soomaaliga jabuuti waxaa laga bilaabay luuqada soomaaliga qorosteeda mudo aan aan sii dheerayn uu hada ah intii uu haystay ismaaciil cumar geele kasoo soo dad waynaha reer jabuuti dareen siiya soomaali wayn amaba tusa looqadooda hooyo ee soomaaliga inay tahay ayna anfacayso ayna ku dhigtaan si kalsooni ah taa waa mid qusaysa ahna mid muwaadiiniinta reer soomaaliwayn ay tahay inay xusaan looqadooda hooyo soomaaligu waa luuqad aad u wacan ahna luuqad aad u cajiib ah ahna luuqad dhinac walba laga fahmi karo balse see ayay ku tahay dadka doonaya inay bartaan luuqada soomaaliga ? luuqada soomaaligu waa luuqad aad u adag sababtoo ahna waxaa adkeeyey amaba ay luuqadaha kale uga adag tahay hal erey ayaa loogu yeedhayaa shan kalmadood oo wuu badan yahay taa ayaa la odhan karaa waa adag yahay luuqada soomaaliga ahi balse maxay tahay sababta shacab waynaha reer soomaali yeed ay u xusi wayaan halyayadii soo maray ee taariiqda ku lahaa ? taa waxaa la odhan karaa waxa weeye waxaa soomaali lagu yaqaan na beel beel beesha kale yagoo ka cabanaya beesha kale ayay halyaygii muwadinka ahaa beel ahaan u cadaadinayaan taana waa sharaf dhac soomaali nimada qusaysa marka loo eego umadaha kale basle waynu ka duwanahay marka aan soo qaado daraawiishti soomaaliyee ee ahaa dadka kasoo jeeda gobalka sool waa maxay dadkaasi amaba |
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degaankaa dagan maxay tahay sababta ay ugu dagalama yeen soomaali nimada ? waxa ay tahay sayid cabdi laha xasan ayaa kasoo dagay dakada berbara ee ku taala waqooyiga soomaaliya isagoo arkay wiil aad u da yar isagoona waydiiyey magaciisa wiilki dada ''yaraa ayaa igu jawaabay magacaygu waa johny wadaadka ayaa aad u muraara dillaacay isagoo ah markaa dadka soomaali ugu maskaxda badan anmaba ugu aqoonta badan isagoo soomaali wayn oo dhan soo maray oo inta safarkiisu ahaa mid indha indhayna oo yaa dagaal geli kara dadkana badbaadin kara kabacdi wuxuu yimi dhulka loo yaqaano amaba africa ugu taariikhda dheer ee ahha meeshii africa lagu weeraro diyaaradaha wax rusheeya tasoo ahayd gobalka sool balse dadkaa ayaa raacay ninkaa oo uu isna isaga iyo muwaadiniin u dhashay darwishland waa maxan aan dhex galee darwishland darwishland waa dhulkii daraawiishta illaa hadana waxay ay xusaan dhaqanka soomaaliwayn amaba iyo wadani nimada balse waxay soo galeen waqti aad u adag iyo jahaado aad u badan igoo la dagalamayay gumaystayaashi jiray markaa amaba gaar ahaan ingiriiskii taasi waxa ay cadaynaysaa in ay ahaayeen dad muwaadiniin ahaa ta marka aan ka gudbo waxaa ka jiray koonfurta soomaalia gumayste gumaystahaa oo ahaa taliyaani balse rag ayaa ka hor tagay ragaasi na mahayn rag aad u leh xifrad amaba u da waynamaba xoog ay ku kiciyaan gumaystahaa maxaa la odhan karaa waxa aa la odhan karaa waxaa u halyay ahaa ururkii la odhan jiray SYL oo ahaa urur aad u mudan in laxuso markasta waayo maxa loo xusayaa waa urur kii ku guulasytay inuu ka kiciyo soomaali balse waxaa loo ilaaway ammaba loo tuuray dhulka soomaaliwayn intii u waynayd ayaa luntay marka loo eego OGAADEENIYA IYO N F D IYO JABUUTO kuwaa oo illaa hada ka maqan soomalidii kale balse halkay ku danbeeyeen waxa ay ku danbeeyeen meel la wada ogayahay oo qolaba qolada kale ay ku ilooween oo ay noqotay gooni socod ee afsomaaligu ogoow inuu yahay luuqadaada hooyo ahna luuqadaha ugu quruxda badan amaba ugu wacan luuqadaha lagaga hadalo africa gaar ahaan east africa intaa ayay inoogu joogaysaa taariiqda aynu kusoo qadanay afka soomaaliga iyo weeliba tariikhda kale ee ah soomaali waynta oo ahayd dagaan dagaan waxaana idin soo gudbiyey anoo ah MUKHTAAR JAAMAC BOORDAAN anoo ku nool wadanka taliyaaniga waxaan idin kaga tagayaa WA BILLAAHI TOW FIIQ''''' |
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== Proposed merge with [[Somalia's Italian language]] == |
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Lots of duplicate information, but the loanwords section could be useful. '''—[[User talk:Cnzx|<span style="color: black;">cnzx</span>]]''' 23:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC) |
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* I totally '''DISAGREE'''. I have changed some of the duplicate information. Anyway, the loanloards section is related only to Italian words used in the Somali language and has nothing to do with the article about languages of Somalia. Then there are the paragraphs referenced to Siad Barre and to writer Cristina Ali Farah that are in the article about Somalia's Italian language, while are not cited in the article about Somalia languages. IMHO we should ''write additionally'' new articles about Somalia's Arab language & Somalia's English language and ''do not reduce'' the Wikipedia articles like proposed with this illogical merge. Wikipedia needs to grow (not the contrary)...--[[User:103tir|103tir]] ([[User talk:103tir|talk]]) 03:41, 22 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:* {{ping|103tir}} thank you for contributing to the new article. Judging from your response, I'm not sure you understand what merging is -- please take time to familiarize yourself with [[WP:MERGE]]. I like the content in the new article and think that it should stay, but also I'm concerned about the title, which is part of why I nominated it for merging (I don't like the possessive "Somalia's" which I think is unusual). There is also this issue of whether we should take content out of [[Languages of Somalia]] and move it into the article that you created, which may be more logical, or the other way around. Please feel free to share your suggested alternative. '''—[[User:Cnzx|<span style="color: black;">cnzx</span>]] ([[User talk:Cnzx|<span style="color: black;">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cnzx|<span style="color: black;">contribs</span>]])''' 23:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' - I don't see how use of standard Italian in Somalia should be standalone from Languages of Somalia or Italian - and a merge to here makes sense.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC) |
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* I '''DISAGREE'''. Same reasons of 103tir. Additionally IMHO I want to pinpoint that Siad Barre huge use of Italian is the main reason of the latin script in the Somalian language and this fact should be more enhanced in the article, while no word is found of this important fact in the article on Somalia language: clearly are needed two different articles here or the "simplification" will reduce the encyclopedia objectives.--[[User:Wrightip|Wrightip]] ([[User talk:Wrightip|talk]]) 01:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC) |
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*:{{ping|Cnzx}} 0inner and 103tir were sockpuppets of Brunodam's, a long-term abuser. --[[User:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[User talk:Vituzzu|talk]]) 19:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Sourced == |
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My edits were sourced and each of them is verifiable. Is there any specifics you have in mind? [[Special:Contributions/92.10.239.87|92.10.239.87]] ([[User talk:92.10.239.87|talk]]) 19:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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== proposal for deleting "Arabophobic sentence" == |
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What relevance does the opinions of a European traveller from 2 centuries ago have in describing the social attitudes of Somalis today or even then, as he was recounting this experience his years later while he also was traveling through numerous other nations at the same time which could result in him overemphasizeing certain positions he encountered. |
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Regardless of whether his opinion was accurate for the early 1800s, it still is irrelevant unless this page was about social attitudes during the time, and nowhere else in this page list social attitudes about the other speakers of the languages listed. [[Special:Contributions/92.236.211.53|92.236.211.53]] ([[User talk:92.236.211.53|talk]]) 00:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:I will be removing the Arabophobia section again, as I attempted to reach out and get Skiitash (editor who has saved this section twice now) to discuss it's merits in this talk page. The request was deleted and I'm assuming accused of being a a sockpuppet, so I will not try again and if anyone has an issue with this, PLEASE discuss. [[Special:Contributions/92.236.211.53|92.236.211.53]] ([[User talk:92.236.211.53|talk]]) 01:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Proposed merge with Somalia's Italian language
[edit]Lots of duplicate information, but the loanwords section could be useful. —cnzx 23:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
- I totally DISAGREE. I have changed some of the duplicate information. Anyway, the loanloards section is related only to Italian words used in the Somali language and has nothing to do with the article about languages of Somalia. Then there are the paragraphs referenced to Siad Barre and to writer Cristina Ali Farah that are in the article about Somalia's Italian language, while are not cited in the article about Somalia languages. IMHO we should write additionally new articles about Somalia's Arab language & Somalia's English language and do not reduce the Wikipedia articles like proposed with this illogical merge. Wikipedia needs to grow (not the contrary)...--103tir (talk) 03:41, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- @103tir: thank you for contributing to the new article. Judging from your response, I'm not sure you understand what merging is -- please take time to familiarize yourself with WP:MERGE. I like the content in the new article and think that it should stay, but also I'm concerned about the title, which is part of why I nominated it for merging (I don't like the possessive "Somalia's" which I think is unusual). There is also this issue of whether we should take content out of Languages of Somalia and move it into the article that you created, which may be more logical, or the other way around. Please feel free to share your suggested alternative. —cnzx (talk • contribs) 23:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support - I don't see how use of standard Italian in Somalia should be standalone from Languages of Somalia or Italian - and a merge to here makes sense.Icewhiz (talk) 12:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- I DISAGREE. Same reasons of 103tir. Additionally IMHO I want to pinpoint that Siad Barre huge use of Italian is the main reason of the latin script in the Somalian language and this fact should be more enhanced in the article, while no word is found of this important fact in the article on Somalia language: clearly are needed two different articles here or the "simplification" will reduce the encyclopedia objectives.--Wrightip (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Cnzx: 0inner and 103tir were sockpuppets of Brunodam's, a long-term abuser. --Vituzzu (talk) 19:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Sourced
[edit]My edits were sourced and each of them is verifiable. Is there any specifics you have in mind? 92.10.239.87 (talk) 19:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
proposal for deleting "Arabophobic sentence"
[edit]What relevance does the opinions of a European traveller from 2 centuries ago have in describing the social attitudes of Somalis today or even then, as he was recounting this experience his years later while he also was traveling through numerous other nations at the same time which could result in him overemphasizeing certain positions he encountered.
Regardless of whether his opinion was accurate for the early 1800s, it still is irrelevant unless this page was about social attitudes during the time, and nowhere else in this page list social attitudes about the other speakers of the languages listed. 92.236.211.53 (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I will be removing the Arabophobia section again, as I attempted to reach out and get Skiitash (editor who has saved this section twice now) to discuss it's merits in this talk page. The request was deleted and I'm assuming accused of being a a sockpuppet, so I will not try again and if anyone has an issue with this, PLEASE discuss. 92.236.211.53 (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)