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Extensively added to on Nov. 23, 2005 by user Fishhead64.
Extensively added to on Nov. 23, 2005 by user Fishhead64.


I know the Dictionary of Canadian Biography calls it Fort Mcleod (and this article says the same, almost word for word, something I plan on changing) but the only fort of that name I'm familiar with is ''East'' of the Rockies in South-West Alberta (Just South of Calgary). Could a more knowledgable Wikipedian enlighten me about this supposed other Fort Mcleod? --[[User:Zytsef|Zytsef]] 08:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I know the Dictionary of Canadian Biography calls it Fort Mcleod (and this article says the same, almost word for word, something I plan on changing) but the only fort of that name I'm familiar with is ''East'' of the Rockies in South-West Alberta (Just South of Calgary). Could a more knowledgable Wikipedian enlighten me about this supposed other Fort Mcleod? --[[User:Zytsef|Zytsef]] 08:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nevermind, it appears that Fraser did indeed found Trout Lake Fort which was later renamed Fort McLeod. By Jove, if it's good enough for Encyclopædia Britannica: http://cache.britannica.com/ebc/article-9013128 --[[User:Zytsef|Zytsef]] 09:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

==More on McLeod Lake==
Is McLeod Lake ''really'' "the first permanent European settlement west of the Rockies in present-day Canada"? I thought Hudson's Hope was west of the Rockies, and Fraser founded it a couple of months earlier. [[User:Fishhead64|Fishhead64]] 07:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
==Small correction==
The Quebec region is Candiac not Cadillac! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.86.192.112|24.86.192.112]] ([[User talk:24.86.192.112|talk]]) 06:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Agreed! Cadillac Quebec did not exist until 1901. Was also puzzled why the Fraser family would have moved so deep into Northwestern Quebec!
Mitch Gingras, Val-d'or, QC. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.157.23.100|69.157.23.100]] ([[User talk:69.157.23.100|talk]]) 23:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Serious Error. Please edit section on later life and marriage.==

Simon Fraser is stated in the current wikipedia page to have been married in 1810 to a prostitute. I have seen no reference to this anywhere else, however he is well documented (e.g. Dictionary of Canadian Biography online: http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=38559 ) to have been married to Catherine Macdonell on June 7, 1820. Her father, Captain Allan Macdonell was a prominent neighbour. The information that his wife died the day after him is accurate suggesting someone has tampered with the page. He and Catherine also had nine children together (eight of whom survived to adulthood).[[User:Robopp|Robopp]] ([[User talk:Robopp|talk]]) 16:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Robopp|Robopp]] ([[User talk:Robopp|talk]]) 16:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Robopp|Robopp]] ([[User talk:Robopp|talk]]) 17:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

==other legacy==
Not sure how to word this - from what I recall, [[William Fraser Tolmie]] chose the name Simon for his son [[Simon Fraser Tolmie]], later BC Premier, in honour of Simon Fraser; conveniently "using" the family/clan-middle name. Don't know where I read this so posting it here.

==49th Parallel==
That wording in the opening isn't right; Fraser's journey wasn't hte only factor in the 49th Parallel decision and it's not as if his journey was the clincher in what remained British in the Northwest; no time to consider rewording it but it's a bit simplistic and also misleading.....[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 18:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Middle Name ==

There is no record of him having any middle name, let alone Thomas. The inclusion of Thomas as his middle name here seems little more than a way of being able to call Simon Fraser University "STFU" instead of the usual "SFU". Unless something in them public records can prove otherwise, Simon Fraser has no middle name and it should remain that way on this page. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.180.142.37|108.180.142.37]] ([[User talk:108.180.142.37|talk]]) 01:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Further more, it appears the addition of "Thomas" was first made April 1st, 2014 so it was clearly an April Fools joke. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.180.142.37|108.180.142.37]] ([[User talk:108.180.142.37|talk]]) 10:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Large Statue==
A large statue of Fraser is part of the recently finished condo/transit project in Vancouver called Marine Gateway. The statue is on the second story facing the Fraser River. And yes, the feet look as big as they do in the picture. I took this picture, but anyone is free to use it. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zPZaf_wAEBo/Vpr8k_gjp5I/AAAAAAAAO8o/mTmp0gGStSo/w390-h693-no/20160115_092636.jpg [[User:31jetjet|31jetjet]] ([[User talk:31jetjet|talk]]) 02:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)31jetjet

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Extensively added to on Nov. 23, 2005 by user Fishhead64.

I know the Dictionary of Canadian Biography calls it Fort Mcleod (and this article says the same, almost word for word, something I plan on changing) but the only fort of that name I'm familiar with is East of the Rockies in South-West Alberta (Just South of Calgary). Could a more knowledgable Wikipedian enlighten me about this supposed other Fort Mcleod? --Zytsef 08:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, it appears that Fraser did indeed found Trout Lake Fort which was later renamed Fort McLeod. By Jove, if it's good enough for Encyclopædia Britannica: http://cache.britannica.com/ebc/article-9013128 --Zytsef 09:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More on McLeod Lake

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Is McLeod Lake really "the first permanent European settlement west of the Rockies in present-day Canada"? I thought Hudson's Hope was west of the Rockies, and Fraser founded it a couple of months earlier. Fishhead64 07:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Small correction

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The Quebec region is Candiac not Cadillac! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.192.112 (talk) 06:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Agreed! Cadillac Quebec did not exist until 1901. Was also puzzled why the Fraser family would have moved so deep into Northwestern Quebec! Mitch Gingras, Val-d'or, QC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.23.100 (talk) 23:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Serious Error. Please edit section on later life and marriage.

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Simon Fraser is stated in the current wikipedia page to have been married in 1810 to a prostitute. I have seen no reference to this anywhere else, however he is well documented (e.g. Dictionary of Canadian Biography online: http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=38559 ) to have been married to Catherine Macdonell on June 7, 1820. Her father, Captain Allan Macdonell was a prominent neighbour. The information that his wife died the day after him is accurate suggesting someone has tampered with the page. He and Catherine also had nine children together (eight of whom survived to adulthood).Robopp (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)Robopp (talk) 16:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)Robopp (talk) 17:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

other legacy

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Not sure how to word this - from what I recall, William Fraser Tolmie chose the name Simon for his son Simon Fraser Tolmie, later BC Premier, in honour of Simon Fraser; conveniently "using" the family/clan-middle name. Don't know where I read this so posting it here.

49th Parallel

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That wording in the opening isn't right; Fraser's journey wasn't hte only factor in the 49th Parallel decision and it's not as if his journey was the clincher in what remained British in the Northwest; no time to consider rewording it but it's a bit simplistic and also misleading.....Skookum1 (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Name

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There is no record of him having any middle name, let alone Thomas. The inclusion of Thomas as his middle name here seems little more than a way of being able to call Simon Fraser University "STFU" instead of the usual "SFU". Unless something in them public records can prove otherwise, Simon Fraser has no middle name and it should remain that way on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.142.37 (talk) 01:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further more, it appears the addition of "Thomas" was first made April 1st, 2014 so it was clearly an April Fools joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.142.37 (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Large Statue

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A large statue of Fraser is part of the recently finished condo/transit project in Vancouver called Marine Gateway. The statue is on the second story facing the Fraser River. And yes, the feet look as big as they do in the picture. I took this picture, but anyone is free to use it. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zPZaf_wAEBo/Vpr8k_gjp5I/AAAAAAAAO8o/mTmp0gGStSo/w390-h693-no/20160115_092636.jpg 31jetjet (talk) 02:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)31jetjet[reply]

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