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I have copied the sections "Historical Background" and "Yandaboo Accord" from the [[Yandaboo Accord]] article, which was mostly written by me. This portion, however, needs improvements. I'll contribute whatever more I can. [[User:Psneog|Prabhakar]] 05:44, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
I have copied the sections "Historical Background" and "Yandaboo Accord" from the [[Yandaboo Accord]] article, which was mostly written by me. This portion, however, needs improvements. I'll contribute whatever more I can. [[User:Psneog|Prabhakar]] 05:44, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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Thanks for pointing out. It is possible. Will you please add |
Thanks for pointing out. It is possible. Will you please add relevant material or provide me some links (or whatever material) so that I can accommodate a Burmese perspective also? [[User:Psneog|Prabhakar]] 05:17, 6 May 2005 (UTC) |
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- According to the Burmese accounts, the first Anglo-Burmese war was not started by the Burmese attack on the British launched from Assam. It was started by the territorial dispute over Shinma Phyu island in Rakhine (Arakan) state, which is near also to Assam. However, it is true that Anglo-Burmese relation became deteriorated because of the Assam affair before the start of war. |
- According to the Burmese accounts, the first Anglo-Burmese war was not started by the Burmese attack on the British launched from Assam. It was started by the territorial dispute over Shinma Phyu island in Rakhine (Arakan) state, which is near also to Assam. However, it is true that Anglo-Burmese relation became deteriorated because of the Assam affair before the start of the war. |
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- Secondly, the so-called "Assam Massacre" was not in the Burmese |
- Secondly, the so-called "Assam Massacre" was not in the Burmese historical accounts (naturally). :-) We may need other historical evidences to confirm it. |
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- As I am not a historian, I cannot cite the sources. Sorry. The above points are from what I've learnt from my high school history books. |
- As I am not a historian, I cannot cite the sources. Sorry. The above points are from what I've learnt from my high school history books. |
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- The text of the treaty itself seems to be correct. I have no objection on it. |
- The text of the treaty itself seems to be correct. I have no objection on it. |
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- I am not a historian, too. But anyway, I am trying my best to learn whatever happened during that period from whatever sources I get - so that I can produce a more authentic and factual article. You are right in the sense that only Assam was not the cause of the Anglo-Burmese war. |
- I am not a historian, too. But anyway, I am trying my best to learn whatever happened during that period from whatever sources I get - so that I can produce a more authentic and factual article. You are right in the sense that only Assam was not the cause of the Anglo-Burmese war. |
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Furthermore, as far as Assam Massacre is concerned, it is true that some form of massacre happened. The stories from that period are passed from generation to generation in Assam (even some accounts claim that one in every three Assamese was killed). However, it didn't get much publicity because of a number of reasons - Assam was a backward |
Furthermore, as far as Assam Massacre is concerned, it is true that some form of massacre happened. The stories from that period are passed from generation to generation in Assam (even some accounts claim that one in every three Assamese was killed). However, it didn't get much publicity because of a number of reasons - Assam was a backward region at that time, the community is small etc. But I understand that stories can't be used as proofs especially on such a sensitive matter. So I am trying to gather some authentic literature - which is very difficult for me as history is not my subject. |
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Please note that surprisingly the Burmese are not held responsible in Assam for the massacre and rather the then political |
Please note that surprisingly the Burmese are not held responsible in Assam for the massacre and rather the then political leadership in Assam is held responsible (especially Badan Chandra Barphukan) for the event by the people and historians in Assam. Nor any ill feeling for Burma is held in the minds of Assamese people. You'll be surprised to know that around 2000 people from the Burmese army settled in Assam even after the Burmese army went away and they are taken in the Assamese society as brothers. The villages of their descendants are still available in Assam and these people are now considered as Assamese. What's more, some Assamese people were captured and taken away (most probably as slaves) by the Burmese army at that time (1826) still live in Burma today following Assamese customs & traditions. |
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You might be interested in reading a story based on history written by a famous Assamese author. The English translation is available at [http://www.assam.org/assam/language/story/lakhminath-bezbarua.html]. |
You might be interested in reading a story based on history written by a famous Assamese author. The English translation is available at [http://www.assam.org/assam/language/story/lakhminath-bezbarua.html]. |
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- I have collected the following |
- I have collected the following references from the web regarding the Assamese massacre by the Burmese army during 1820 - 1826: |
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* http://www.assam.nic.in/introduction/ataglance.asp |
* http://www.assam.nic.in/introduction/ataglance.asp |
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* http://www.koi-hai.com/DerekPerry.html |
* http://www.koi-hai.com/DerekPerry.html |
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* http://www.vedanti.com/News/hotnews.htm |
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* http://www.assamdubai.org/pdf/Introducing Assam_to_Our_Young_Readers.pdf |
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* http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h38-br.html |
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[[User:Psneog|Prabhakar]] 06:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
[[User:Psneog|Prabhakar]] 06:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC) |
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== Useless article that should be totally rewritten == |
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This isn't an article on the treaty, its an article on the treaty as it relates to the history of Assam. The entire article should be junked and rewritten. |
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== Yandaboo? == |
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Is this the correct name? because other scources mentioned Yadavo or Yandabo... And what means it ? Was he a person or was it justa place... |
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: It is Yandabo not Yandaboo. [[User:Wagaung|Wagaung]] 19:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: I am thinking can it be Burmese version of "Rendezvous". Frech word "Rendezvous" was commonly used in Mandalay during those era. --[[Special:Contributions/210.24.174.90|210.24.174.90]] ([[User talk:210.24.174.90|talk]]) 04:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::Spelling "Yandaboo" is correct in Britain of the period. I found this article after reading a British Asiatic Journal of the 1830s, using this spelling as the search parameter. - [[User:Yamara|<b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b>]] [[User_talk:Yamara|<span style="color:#FF3300; font-size:smaller;">✉</span>]] 14:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC) |
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===Redirection to Treaty of Yandabo=== |
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I rewrote the entire article because this article was about Assam, not about the treaty. And I also redirected to Treaty of Yandabo, with the correct spelling.[[User:Hybernator|Hybernator]] ([[User talk:Hybernator|talk]]) 01:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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[edit]I have copied the sections "Historical Background" and "Yandaboo Accord" from the Yandaboo Accord article, which was mostly written by me. This portion, however, needs improvements. I'll contribute whatever more I can. Prabhakar 05:44, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The points in the article are the views of the British and the Assam people. They are different from Burmese historical accounts. Zeyar Aung
Thanks for pointing out. It is possible. Will you please add relevant material or provide me some links (or whatever material) so that I can accommodate a Burmese perspective also? Prabhakar 05:17, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
- According to the Burmese accounts, the first Anglo-Burmese war was not started by the Burmese attack on the British launched from Assam. It was started by the territorial dispute over Shinma Phyu island in Rakhine (Arakan) state, which is near also to Assam. However, it is true that Anglo-Burmese relation became deteriorated because of the Assam affair before the start of the war. - Secondly, the so-called "Assam Massacre" was not in the Burmese historical accounts (naturally). :-) We may need other historical evidences to confirm it. - As I am not a historian, I cannot cite the sources. Sorry. The above points are from what I've learnt from my high school history books. - The text of the treaty itself seems to be correct. I have no objection on it. Zeyar Aung
- I am not a historian, too. But anyway, I am trying my best to learn whatever happened during that period from whatever sources I get - so that I can produce a more authentic and factual article. You are right in the sense that only Assam was not the cause of the Anglo-Burmese war.
Furthermore, as far as Assam Massacre is concerned, it is true that some form of massacre happened. The stories from that period are passed from generation to generation in Assam (even some accounts claim that one in every three Assamese was killed). However, it didn't get much publicity because of a number of reasons - Assam was a backward region at that time, the community is small etc. But I understand that stories can't be used as proofs especially on such a sensitive matter. So I am trying to gather some authentic literature - which is very difficult for me as history is not my subject.
Please note that surprisingly the Burmese are not held responsible in Assam for the massacre and rather the then political leadership in Assam is held responsible (especially Badan Chandra Barphukan) for the event by the people and historians in Assam. Nor any ill feeling for Burma is held in the minds of Assamese people. You'll be surprised to know that around 2000 people from the Burmese army settled in Assam even after the Burmese army went away and they are taken in the Assamese society as brothers. The villages of their descendants are still available in Assam and these people are now considered as Assamese. What's more, some Assamese people were captured and taken away (most probably as slaves) by the Burmese army at that time (1826) still live in Burma today following Assamese customs & traditions.
You might be interested in reading a story based on history written by a famous Assamese author. The English translation is available at [1].
Prabhakar 06:25, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
- I have collected the following references from the web regarding the Assamese massacre by the Burmese army during 1820 - 1826:
- http://www.assam.nic.in/introduction/ataglance.asp
- http://www.koi-hai.com/DerekPerry.html
- http://www.vedanti.com/News/hotnews.htm
- http://www.assamdubai.org/pdf/Introducing Assam_to_Our_Young_Readers.pdf
- http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h38-br.html
Prabhakar 06:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Useless article that should be totally rewritten
[edit]This isn't an article on the treaty, its an article on the treaty as it relates to the history of Assam. The entire article should be junked and rewritten.
Yandaboo?
[edit]Is this the correct name? because other scources mentioned Yadavo or Yandabo... And what means it ? Was he a person or was it justa place...
- It is Yandabo not Yandaboo. Wagaung 19:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am thinking can it be Burmese version of "Rendezvous". Frech word "Rendezvous" was commonly used in Mandalay during those era. --210.24.174.90 (talk) 04:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Spelling "Yandaboo" is correct in Britain of the period. I found this article after reading a British Asiatic Journal of the 1830s, using this spelling as the search parameter. - Yamara ✉ 14:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Redirection to Treaty of Yandabo
[edit]I rewrote the entire article because this article was about Assam, not about the treaty. And I also redirected to Treaty of Yandabo, with the correct spelling.Hybernator (talk) 01:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
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