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This is the first article I have started from scratch. And it's 3:30 a.m., so go easy on me if you've got any critiques. Thanks! :) <3 Viceroyvic (talk)

Intro may need to be rewritten

The intro may need rewriting to ensure no POV, peacock words or other MOS-incompatibilities. Am tagging it to advise others and hopefully we can get this situation rectified and improve the overall quality of the article. JDanek007^Talk 05:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be some serious ownership issues with this article. Almost all changes made are reverted by User:Friendlypete2014 and IP users. Any attempts to rewrite the article (which was rife is POV/peacock phrasing and other issues) are blindly reverted. Any at::tempts to tag the article for issues that were clearly a problem have also been reverted. It doesn't matter who started this article. Once you hit "Save", the article becomes property of Wikipedia and anyone can edit it. You do not get to dictate who can edit the article. The IP users who have been reverting along with Friendlypete2014 would do well to review WP:NOTVANDAL to see what actually constitutes as real vandalism. Edits you personally do not agree with are not vandalism nor are changes that are made to make the article conform to WP:MOS and WP:NPOV. I don't know what "rules" the article supposedly met before but there were serious issues with style, sources and puffery. I have reinstated the changes I made yesterday after they were incorrectly labeled as "vandalism" by 208.54.45.145. If anyone has issue with the changes, bring your gripes to the talk page. Blind reverts and edit warring are not acceptable. If it continues, page protection will be sought. Pinkadelica ^♣ 11:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored your version and done some additional clean-up. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would just like to note, since it has always irked me but I don't edit wikipedia very much, that you said "It doesn't matter who started this article." which seems to imply that I in some way have an "issue" with wikipedia policies. However, the user in question is not me... and the IPs involved were definitely not me (never lived in NYC!). So please don't insinuate that the person who started this article (me) is the person involved with other disputes with this article. Thank you. Viceroyvic (talk) 01:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Age.

She was supposedly born in 1988 according to FMD, but sources claim she began modelling after graduating magna cum laude with a Bachelors Degree in Psychology, such as IMG Models, Joan Smalls Bio on BOF, and an interview with Net-A-Porter. Now, because she began her career in 2007, this implies she graduated in 2007 or possibly even 2006. Unless she was a genius who skipped several grades (which her article makes no mention of), there was no way she could've graduated with a 4 year Bachelor's degree at age 18-19.

Given how models such as Christie Brinkley, Heidi Klum and Rosie Huntington-Whitely have talked about ageism in the fashion industry, the idea of Joan's agency lying about her age in order to make her more "marketable", especially since she likely started modelling around age 22-23, seems plausible. Fellow model Rosie said an agent told her that "she'd be "done" by age 27". Clear Looking Glass (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+==General==
+This is the first article I have started from scratch.  And it's 3:30 a.m., so go easy on me if you've got any critiques. Thanks! :) <3 [[User:Viceroyvic|Viceroyvic]] ([[User talk:Viceroyvic|talk]])
+== Intro may need to be rewritten ==
+The intro may need rewriting to ensure no POV, peacock words or other MOS-incompatibilities. Am tagging it to advise others and hopefully we can get this situation rectified and improve the overall quality of the article. [[User:Jdanek007|<span style="color:DeepPink;">'''J'''</span><span style="color:Black;">'''Danek'''</span><span style="color:DeepPink;">'''00'''</span><span style="color:Black;">'''7'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jdanek007|<span style="color:DeepPink;">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 05:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
+:There seems to be some serious [[WP:OWN|ownership issues]] with this article. Almost all changes made are reverted by [[User:Friendlypete2014]] and IP users. Any attempts to rewrite the article (which was rife is POV/peacock phrasing and other issues) are blindly reverted. Any at::tempts [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joan_Smalls&diff=617579571&oldid=617569393 to tag] the article for issues that were clearly a problem have also been reverted. It doesn't matter who started this article. Once you hit "Save", the article becomes property of Wikipedia and ''anyone'' can edit it. You do not get to dictate who can edit the article. The IP users who have been reverting along with Friendlypete2014 would do well to review [[WP:NOTVANDAL]] to see what actually constitutes as real vandalism. Edits you personally do not agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joan_Smalls&diff=601442858&oldid=601438696 are not vandalism] nor are changes that are made to make the article conform to [[WP:MOS]] and [[WP:NPOV]]. I don't know what "rules" the article supposedly met before but there were serious issues with style, sources and puffery. I have reinstated the changes I made yesterday after they were incorrectly labeled as "vandalism" by [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joan_Smalls&diff=630362908&oldid=630320972 208.54.45.145]. If anyone has issue with the changes, bring your gripes to the talk page. Blind reverts and edit warring are not acceptable. If it continues, page protection will be sought. '''[[User:Pinkadelica|<span style="color:MediumSlateBlue; font-family:Tahoma;">Pinkadelica</span>]][[User talk:Pinkadelica|<sup style="color:black;">♣</sup>]]''' 11:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
+::I've restored your version and done some additional clean-up. -- [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 14:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
+:: I would just like to note, since it has always irked me but I don't edit wikipedia very much, that you said "It doesn't matter who started this article." which seems to imply that I in some way have an "issue" with wikipedia policies.  However, the user in question is not me... and the IPs involved were definitely not me (never lived in NYC!).  So please don't insinuate that the person who started this article (me) is the person involved with other disputes with this article. Thank you. [[User:Viceroyvic|Viceroyvic]] ([[User talk:Viceroyvic|talk]]) 01:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
+== Age.  ==
+She was supposedly born in 1988 according to [https://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/Joan_Smalls/ FMD], but sources claim she began modelling after graduating magna cum laude with a Bachelors Degree in Psychology, such as [https://www.imgmodels.com/joansmalls IMG Models], [https://www.businessoffashion.com/community/people/joan-smalls Joan Smalls Bio on BOF], and an interview with [https://www.net-a-porter.com/en-us/porter/article-db8f84d3a0caeea6/cover-stories/cover-stories/joan-smalls Net-A-Porter]. Now, because she began her career in 2007, this implies she graduated in 2007 or possibly even 2006. Unless she was a genius who skipped several grades (which her article makes no mention of), there was no way she could've graduated with a 4 year Bachelor's degree at age 18-19.
+Given how models such as [https://www.wmagazine.com/story/heidi-klum-christie-brinkley-ageism-modeling-fashion Christie Brinkley, Heidi Klum] and [https://pagesix.com/2018/10/24/why-rosie-huntington-whiteley-quit-working-with-victorias-secret/ Rosie Huntington-Whitely] have talked about ageism in the fashion industry, the idea of Joan's agency lying about her age in order to make her more "marketable", especially since she likely started modelling around age 22-23, seems plausible. Fellow model Rosie said an agent told her that "she'd be "done" by age 27". [[User:Clear Looking Glass|Clear Looking Glass]] ([[User talk:Clear Looking Glass|talk]]) 19:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)