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Interesting war

Interesting War. Oddly though, the indigenous pop. put up a larger fight than generally thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.128.59.164 (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Biased article

This is one of the most biased articles I've ever seen; one can almost envision the author foaming at the mouth as he wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wouldn'tyouliketoknow (talk • contribs) 03:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting

Someone removed a gigantic chunk of this article with no discussion. I'm reverting back to the previous version, but will reinstate the constructive edits made after his vandalism. Kafziel 16:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. I regret not having noticed the vandalism before making minor changes. On the plus side, the article's listing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America can be upgraded; the short version was barely a stub, but now it's B-class at least. rewinn 18:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Links

This article has too many links. Example: Pequot is linked 56 times, every single time they are mentioned. Isn't it enough with a few times? Its actually frustrating to read... Shauni 20:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Holy cow! It sure does! I've started a cleanup in stages, and it should be looking much better in a little while. Kafziel 20:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The new version of AWB seems to be having problems. I'm quitting for now, but I've made a lot of changes and I'll make more later. Kafziel 21:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Phew! Done! Wow, that had an insane amount of overlinking. It still needs a good copyedit for grammar and content, but at least the blue links aren't overwhelming anymore. Kafziel 14:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good job. Much better. :) The article needs a cleenup, though, as it numerous times repeats itself (How made times do we need to know that it is the colony Massachusetts Bay?) I'm not sure why the etymology is included... I left it out of the norwegian translation I'm working on. Shauni 13:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"total war"...

"This was the first instance wherein Algonquian peoples of what is now southern New England encountered European-style warfare. The idea and reality of total war was essentially new to them."

I don't think using the term "total war" in this context is appropriate. The concept of "total war" in Europe is a 20th century idea, although it has some roots in the French Rev. wars of the 1790s with the first mass conscription. Traditionally, massacring noncombatants was NOT considered appropriate behavior in European warfare (and in Europe, this included most males as well as women and children, since only specialists like nobles and mercenaries fought). It still happened, especially when mercenaries ran out of control (ie sack of Antwerp, Magdeburg, sack of Rome in 1527), but it was considered shocking behavior at the time. Nor was massacring noncombatants unknown among Native Americans, although I'm not sure what the evidence is in the New England area. Cody Jarret 21:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the wording is not to the best interests of the article. I would not find it totally acurate to state that it was total war, which would seem more reminiscent of Sherman-style warfare in the Carolinas, not neccessarily the Pequot War. ForgottenHistory (talk) 00:12, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed vandalisms and addded cite check

I removed a few hidden vandalisms, fixed a couple of typos, and added a cite check banner. I think the A. Cave reference under #5 is bogus, but this needs to be confirmed. Other parts of ref #5 seem suspect. Ethan a dawe (talk) 04:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another vandalism - look at the years now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.85.241.6 (talk) 00:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any idea on the origin of the Depiction?

Does anyone have any idea where the depiction in the Article is from? It could improve a description of it. ForgottenHistory (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

This article should be tweaked

The sentence

"After the Pequot War, the native were too scared to rise up against the colonists"

Is not scholarly and depicts the Indians of New England has scared of the Puritans, but this is highly debatable and is an opinion, not a fact. It makes the Indians sound weak and subservient which many of them were not at that time. Also There needs to be some mention of the aftermath of how the English actually put the Pequot survivors under their protection and how the Pequots helped the Colonists in King Philips war. Without this information the article is very one sided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.141.137.18 (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree; "too scared" is inappropriate. Sentence rewritten. Not sure whether mention of the role of the Pequot in King Philip's War is appropriate here. Needs references, in any case. Chcurtis (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dempsey and Wagner

I think their book is 2003. Also, there should be more detail than just "they took issue with events". What were their conclusions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.72.120 (talk) 21:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

wording unclear

"the English colonists of the Massachusetts Bay, Plymouth, Saybrook colonies"

You're missing an "and" before "Saybrook." I'm going to go ahead and add it. Rosekelleher (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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The Pequot and their traditional enemies, the Mohegan, were at one time a single socio-political entity. Anthropologists and historians contend that sometime before contact with the Puritan English, the Pequot were split into the two warring groups, with the split resulting over profit sharing and market rights to gaming casinos.[4] I this statement for real...market rights to gaming casinos as part of the origins of the Pequot. This is twisted history.

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Number of casualties

This article was recently edited, so it describes the number of casualties as greater than 5 million. Is this statement accurate? Jarble (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was vandalism. Another editor has reverted it. —Dilidor (talk) 19:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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-Interesting War. Oddly though, the indigenous pop. put up a larger fight than generally thought.
+This is one of the most biased articles I've ever seen; one can almost envision the author foaming at the mouth as he wrote it. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wouldn'tyouliketoknow|Wouldn'tyouliketoknow]] ([[User talk:Wouldn'tyouliketoknow#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wouldn'tyouliketoknow|contribs]]) 03:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)</small>
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-This is one of the most biased articles I've ever seen; one can almost envision the author foaming at the mouth as he wrote it.
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 == Reverting ==
 Someone removed a gigantic chunk of this article with no discussion. I'm reverting back to the previous version, but will reinstate the constructive edits made after his vandalism. [[User:Kafziel|Kafziel]] 16:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 :''Excellent''. I regret not having noticed the vandalism before making minor changes. On the plus side, the article's listing at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America]] can be upgraded; the short version was barely a stub, but now it's B-class at least. [[User:Rewinn|rewinn]] 18:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 == Links ==
 This article has too many links. Example: Pequot is linked 56 times, every single time they are mentioned. Isn't it enough with a few times? Its actually frustrating to read... [[User:Shauni|Shauni]] 20:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 :Holy cow! It sure does! I've started a cleanup in stages, and it should be looking much better in a little while. [[User:Kafziel|Kafziel]] 20:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 :The new version of AWB seems to be having problems. I'm quitting for now, but I've made a lot of changes and I'll make more later. [[User:Kafziel|Kafziel]] 21:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 :Phew! Done! Wow, that had an insane amount of overlinking. It still needs a good copyedit for grammar and content, but at least the blue links aren't overwhelming anymore. [[User:Kafziel|Kafziel]] 14:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 ::Good job. Much better. :) The article needs a cleenup, though, as it numerous times repeats itself (How made times do we need to know that it is the '''colony''' Massachusetts Bay?) I'm not sure why the etymology is included... I left it out of the norwegian translation I'm working on. [[User:Shauni|Shauni]] 13:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 == "total war"... ==
 "This was the first instance wherein Algonquian peoples of what is now southern New England encountered European-style warfare. The idea and reality of total war was essentially new to them."
-I don't think using the term "total war" in this context is appropriate.  The concept of "total war" in Europe is a 20th century idea, although it has some roots in the French Rev. wars of the 1790s with the first mass conscription. Traditionally, massacring noncombatants was NOT considered appropriate behavior in European warfare (and in Europe, this included most males as well as women and children, since only specialists like nobles and mercenaries fought). It still happened, especially when mercenaries ran out of control (ie sack of Antwerp, Magdeburg, sack of Rome in 1527), but it was considered shocking behavior at the time.  Nor was massacring noncombatants unknown among Native Americans, although I'm not sure what the evidence is in the New England area.
+I don't think using the term "total war" in this context is appropriate.  The concept of "total war" in Europe is a 20th century idea, although it has some roots in the French Rev. wars of the 1790s with the first mass conscription. Traditionally, massacring noncombatants was NOT considered appropriate behavior in European warfare (and in Europe, this included most males as well as women and children, since only specialists like nobles and mercenaries fought). It still happened, especially when mercenaries ran out of control (ie sack of Antwerp, Magdeburg, sack of Rome in 1527), but it was considered shocking behavior at the time.  Nor was massacring noncombatants unknown among Native Americans, although I'm not sure what the evidence is in the New England area. [[User:Cody Jarret|Cody Jarret]] 21:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-[[User:Cody Jarret|Cody Jarret]] 21:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
+: I agree, the wording is not to the best interests of the article. I would not find it totally acurate to state that it was total war, which would seem more reminiscent of Sherman-style warfare in the Carolinas, not neccessarily the Pequot War. [[User:ForgottenHistory|ForgottenHistory]] ([[User talk:ForgottenHistory|talk]]) 00:12, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Removed vandalisms and addded cite check ==
+I removed a few hidden vandalisms, fixed a couple of typos, and added a cite check banner. I think the A. Cave reference under #5 is bogus, but this needs to be confirmed. Other parts of ref #5 seem suspect. [[User:Ethan a dawe|Ethan a dawe]] ([[User talk:Ethan a dawe|talk]]) 04:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
+:Another vandalism - look at the years now.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.85.241.6|173.85.241.6]] ([[User talk:173.85.241.6|talk]]) 00:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Any idea on the origin of the Depiction? ==
+Does anyone have any idea where the depiction in the Article is from? It could improve a description of it. [[User:ForgottenHistory|ForgottenHistory]] ([[User talk:ForgottenHistory|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 04:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== This article should be tweaked ==
+The sentence
+ "After the Pequot War, the native were too scared to rise up against the colonists"
+Is not scholarly and depicts the Indians of New England has scared of the Puritans, but this is highly debatable and is an opinion, not a fact. It makes the Indians sound weak and subservient which many of them were not at that time. Also There needs to be some mention of the aftermath of how the English actually put the Pequot survivors under their protection and how the Pequots helped the Colonists in King Philips war. Without this information the article is very one sided.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/137.141.137.18|137.141.137.18]] ([[User talk:137.141.137.18|talk]]) 21:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Agree; "too scared" is inappropriate. Sentence rewritten. Not sure whether mention of the role of the Pequot in King Philip's War is appropriate here. Needs references, in any case. [[User:Chcurtis|Chcurtis]] ([[User talk:Chcurtis|talk]]) 18:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
+== Dempsey and Wagner ==
+I think their book is 2003. Also, there should be more detail than just "they took issue with events". What were their conclusions?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.239.72.120|99.239.72.120]] ([[User talk:99.239.72.120|talk]]) 21:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== wording unclear ==
+"the English colonists of the Massachusetts Bay, Plymouth, Saybrook colonies"
+You're missing an "and" before "Saybrook." I'm going to go ahead and add it. [[User:Rosekelleher|Rosekelleher]] ([[User talk:Rosekelleher|talk]]) 19:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
+==Assessment comment==
+{{Substituted comment|length=460|lastedit=20070613191118|comment=The Pequot and their traditional enemies, the Mohegan, were at one time a single socio-political entity. Anthropologists and historians contend that sometime before contact with the Puritan English, the Pequot were split into the two warring groups, with the split resulting over profit sharing and market rights to gaming casinos.[4]   I this statement for real...market rights to gaming casinos as part of the origins of the Pequot.  This is twisted history.}}
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+This article was recently edited, so it describes the number of casualties as [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pequot_War&diff=prev&oldid=943748721 greater than 5 million]. Is this statement accurate? [[User:Jarble|Jarble]] ([[User talk:Jarble|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
+:No, it was vandalism. Another editor has reverted it.  —[[User:Dilidor|Dilidor]] ([[User talk:Dilidor|talk]]) 19:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)