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==ein lied==
==Merger?==
Well whoever put this up for merging didn't make a discussion here. So yeah, '''merge''' [[Reise, Reise Vol.2]] into [[Rosenrot]]. The info there is relevant to the creation of [[Rosenrot]]. - [[User:Vicer|Vicer]] 09:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
i think ein lied has just bass and no acoustic guitars, oh and if they play a rosenrot tour maybe schneider go out in the rubber boat 'cause at least he won't play in the song.
:'''no merge''', two seperate things, one was a proposed album, one is a different album, with some 'leftover' songs from the proposed album [[User:Fethroesforia|Fethroesforia]] 20:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


i agree with [[User:Vicer|Vicer]] for a '''merge''' - [[User:Dark Devil|Ella]] 03:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
==It's Rose-Red (or Rose Red), not red rose==


I think the merge thing should be removed since there's no such thing as [[Reise, Reise Vol.2]] anymore [[User:Iaberis|Iaberis]] 14:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The [[Grimm]] tale is called ''"[[Snow-White and Rose-Red|Schneeweißchen und Rosenrot]]"'' in [[German language|German]].


P.S. I removed it! [[User:Iaberis|Iaberis]] 14:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
"red rose" is just "rote Rose".


== Contradiction ==
It was mistaken on the [[Rammstein]] page too.


Some of the song descriptions contain a few oddities (and, sadly, no references). For instance, the article about "[[Mann gegen Mann]]" states that "''The song is critical of societies' close minded attitudes towards homosexuality and contains many metaphors about homosexuality.''", whereas in this article one can read "''The song is simply about the subject of homosexuality and seems to avoid taking sides''". These statements are obviously totally contradictory, which means that one of them is incorrect and needs to be rectified. After taking a quick look at a translation, it appears that the song ''does'' take sides (e.g.: "''My family calls me a traitor/I am the nightmare of all fathers''"). [[User:IronChris|'''Iron''']][[User:IronChris/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">'''C'''</span>]][[User:IronChris|'''hris''']] | [[User talk:IronChris|(talk)]] 02:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
::Yea, sorry about that little error. I was in a rush. --[[User:Der Sporkmeister|Der Sporkmeister]] 00:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


==Interviews copyright==
== Bonus DVD ==
*You really can't just take 3 entire reviews and paste them in here. I think its a copyvio and should be removed, what do others think? [[User:Wickethewok|Wickethewok]] 01:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
*Done. [[User:Wickethewok|Wickethewok]] 00:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
==Fair use rationale for Image:Rosenrot.jpg==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
'''[[:Image:Rosenrot.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].


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1/Nimes,france 2/Kangawa,japan 3/London,uk
(It was mistaken.Not Kangawa but Kanagawa.And Kanagawa is not tokyo.)


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== Track Listing ==


==Inaccuracies==
Is there actually a source avaliable for the track listing that was placed on this article? If one is not provided, I am removing it. --[[User:Der Sporkmeister|Der Sporkmeister]] 00:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Catalina Lavric is a real person and rather younger than Khira Li Lindemann, quite apart from the two looking absolutely nothing alike, so I am removing that odd claim. I already removed it from the single page (the video description there seems to be nearly completely taken from this article).[[User:NadjaCS|NadjaCS]] 21:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:Weel, seems like [http://herzeleid.com] features a playlist posted in [http://universal.dk/artist_selected.asp?artist=Rammstein]. However this cannot be treated as official in any way and should be labeled as rumor. -[[User:KeyStorm|KeyStorm]] 01:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


== Album art, anyone? ==
There's an official tracklist found on Rammstein's website. [http://rammstein.com/Band/Discography/Albums/Rosenrot/ende]


Hi, I think there should be some info on the album art. Does anybody have info on the ice breaker vessel seen on the packaging. And I noticed Neuschwanstein Castle on it too. [[User:Lzandman|Stingray]] 21:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
-[[User:Broodwich| Broodwich]] 4:52 PM, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


==Fair use rationale for Image:Benzin.PNG==
::I know that. You're a bit late. --[[User:Der Sporkmeister|Der Sporkmeister]] 18:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
'''[[:Image:Benzin.PNG]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].


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== Feuer und Wasser grammar ==


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Well, the article says that "''Feuer und Wasser '''kommt''' nicht zusammen''" is wrongly written, while I think it's not. I understand ''kommt'' is imperative, so Till would be telling fire and water not to come together. Despite in the next lines, Till refers to them in 3rd person. However, interpreted, he and the woman are fire and water themselves, so it's not a big deal swapping verb persons. -[[User:KeyStorm|KeyStorm]] 16:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 04:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not imperative. I believe that would be "kommen Sie nicht zusammen." German has sentence structures that are more attuned to Middle English, not modern English. It seems to me that the grammatical error is intentional, as it creates a paradoxical sentence: if fire and water are not together, then they should not be a singular verb but Till sings as if they are, implying that he wants them to be as one, although they are not. I suppose that I should not mix poetry with grammar. --[[User:Blutpanzer|Blutpanzer]] 08:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


== Spring ==
== Track description ==


Who deleted the track descriptions? It was far more informative and interesting before. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.13.70.12|74.13.70.12]] ([[User talk:74.13.70.12|talk]]) 20:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
doesn't the narrator go on the bridge and push the man down, rather than the man jumping of his own accord?
:They were removed because they were all unreliably sourced or not sourced at all, or they were original research. This is against Wikipedia's policies. Some information could be added back in time, but it will take diligent effort. --[[User:Notjake13|Jacob]] <sup>''[[User talk:Notjake13|Talk]]''</sup> 21:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

-Yep.

There is a massive flaw in your review of the song. It says the man wants to commit suicide, but he doesn't! Till sings "Ich wollte nur zur Aussicht gehen" (I just wanted to take a sight), so he didn't want to commit suicide at all!

-TRA

:TRA, as I understand the lyrics of 'Spring', the entire scene depicts a desperate man's cry for attention and help. He gets on that bridge only to discover that he's not going to get any support from his fellow men, he panics, changes his mind and starts making excuses ("I only wanted to see the view"). Note the man's hesitation even before the crowd gathers and also the tone used by Till for his part - It seems to me that the redemption he requests is in a broader sense than just letting him off the bridge. --[[User:Red Plague|Red Plague]] 20:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

== Carmen Zapata & age of songs ==

"It has been rumoured that Till is currently dating Carmen Zapata" Carmen Zapata is 78 years old, i'm sure they're not dating, so I removed that.
Secondly, what's the sources for that five songs would be new and six songs old?
I know for a fact that is wrong since Mann Gegen Mann is originally from the Mutter sessions, but I don't know what the right number would be so I'll let that stay... /[[User:Hugoflug|Hugoflug]] 19:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Genre ==

Rammstein is not Tanz-Metal. More like Industrial Metal.

:Well, Rammstein described themselves as Tanz-Metal, so... &#126;[[User:Mdd4696 |MDD]][[User_talk:Mdd4696 |46]][[Special:Contributions/Mdd4696 |96]] 04:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

But that is stupid, exuse me,
they still play industrial metal, there is nothing "tanzy" about it. -BugsyAbsolute

:Not in your jurisdiction, Bugsy. The band call themselves Tanz Metall; we call them Tanz Metall. [[User:Blutpanzer|Blutpanzer]] 08:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== U.S. RELEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!!!??!!!!!!? ==
DOSE ANY1 NO WHEN THEY R GOING TO RELASE THIS MOTHER IN THE FRIGGEN US OF A??!?!!?! MY GOD ITS LIKE WE DONT EVEN EXIST OVER HERE. THERES NO MENTION ANYWHAR OF A US REALASE AND NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE. NO. NOBODY CARES. NOBODY CARES ABOUT ME AND SO IM GONNA GO HOME AND CRY ABOUT IT
:(Maybe it's already been released in the US, since Germany is a part of [[Amerika (single)|Amerika]] according to the band...) [[User:Shawnc|Shawnc]] 02:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL, that was awsome
[[User:Everything Inane|Everything Inane]] 06:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

- From herzeleid.com, March the 28th. Typing in capitals with such terrible spelling isn't cool...my retinas are bleeding. [[User:Ry4n|b0red]] 08:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

== whore/bitch ==

Because I don't speak English good and of some edits (like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rosenrot&diff=43769647&oldid=43598881 this one]) I want to know the difference between whore and bitch. This might sounds funny, but I don't know the difference. --[[User:Athalis|Athalis]] 20:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

- A whore is a prostitute. A bitch is an unkind/unfriendly female. [[User:Ry4n|b0red]] 08:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

== Link to the video ==
I found a link to the video on [[google video]][http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7037471555348149719]. If this link isn't allowed, feel free to remove it. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:86.130.74.104|86.130.74.104]] ([[User talk:86.130.74.104|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/86.130.74.104|contribs]]) 21:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned2] -->

== Mann gegen Mann video ==
Flake confirmed in online interviews that the band was indeed naked in the MGM video, the transcripts of which can be found at herzeleid.com among other places. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:68.111.183.63|68.111.183.63]] ([[User talk:68.111.183.63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.111.183.63|contribs]]) 18:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned2] -->

== About the song Benzin ==

The band has said Benzin is their tribute to their sort of "pyromania", as in how much pyro work they use during their live shows (I distinctly remember Ollie mentioning that somewhere sometime), there is however much speculation over whether Benzin really does refer to high gas prices...Paul has said on more than one occasion that they're not really a political band.

:The denial of being a political band is more to defend against accusations of National Socialism. [[User:Blutpanzer|Blutpanzer]] 08:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== iTunes ==

I just bought this album on iTunes today and it had 12 tracks. The 12th track sounds like it might be a remix of Benzin, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any information on this 12th track? Thanks! -- '''[[User:Toksyuryel|Toksyuryel]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Toksyuryel|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Toksyuryel|contrib]]</sup> [[Image:Toksyuryel_wikipedia_sig_img.jpg|avatar]] 03:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:apparently it is Benzin (Smallstars Remix by Ad Rock) [[User:Stolenbyme|stolenbyme]] 17:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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Merger?

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Well whoever put this up for merging didn't make a discussion here. So yeah, merge Reise, Reise Vol.2 into Rosenrot. The info there is relevant to the creation of Rosenrot. - Vicer 09:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no merge, two seperate things, one was a proposed album, one is a different album, with some 'leftover' songs from the proposed album Fethroesforia 20:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i agree with Vicer for a merge - Ella 03:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the merge thing should be removed since there's no such thing as Reise, Reise Vol.2 anymore Iaberis 14:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I removed it! Iaberis 14:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

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Some of the song descriptions contain a few oddities (and, sadly, no references). For instance, the article about "Mann gegen Mann" states that "The song is critical of societies' close minded attitudes towards homosexuality and contains many metaphors about homosexuality.", whereas in this article one can read "The song is simply about the subject of homosexuality and seems to avoid taking sides". These statements are obviously totally contradictory, which means that one of them is incorrect and needs to be rectified. After taking a quick look at a translation, it appears that the song does take sides (e.g.: "My family calls me a traitor/I am the nightmare of all fathers"). IronChris | (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Rosenrot.jpg

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Image:Rosenrot.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Inaccuracies

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Catalina Lavric is a real person and rather younger than Khira Li Lindemann, quite apart from the two looking absolutely nothing alike, so I am removing that odd claim. I already removed it from the single page (the video description there seems to be nearly completely taken from this article).NadjaCS 21:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album art, anyone?

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Hi, I think there should be some info on the album art. Does anybody have info on the ice breaker vessel seen on the packaging. And I noticed Neuschwanstein Castle on it too. Stingray 21:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Benzin.PNG

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Image:Benzin.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Track description

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Who deleted the track descriptions? It was far more informative and interesting before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.70.12 (talk) 20:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They were removed because they were all unreliably sourced or not sourced at all, or they were original research. This is against Wikipedia's policies. Some information could be added back in time, but it will take diligent effort. --Jacob Talk 21:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]