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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 01:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rain (American band)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Washington, D.C.. GSS ^💬 15:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This band was signed to Dischord Records, a label that has had substantial independent coverage, and had a member who later formed Girls Against Boys. It's rather plausible that, given those circumstances, this band would have received retrospective attention. I don't have them on hand, but these sources should probably be consulted in the event they have significant coverage of the band:
Andersen, Mark; Jenkins, Mark (2009). Dance of Days: Two Decades of Punk in the Nation's Capital. New York: Akashic Books.
Azerrad, Michael (2001). Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes from the American Indie Underground, 1981–1991. Boston: Little, Brown, and Company.
Blush, Steven (2001). American Hardcore: A Tribal History. Los Angeles: Feral House.

-- Chubbles (talk) 15:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a tricky subject to find sources for - due to both the generic band name, and the age since they were active. I have added 4 citations to non-trivial independent coverage, all from reliable sources. I am leaning keep as a result; they may have have been short-lived but their music does appear to have significance, and sustained impact - with independent commentary such as "La Vache Qui Rit is both aesthetically and historically valuable" ([1]), and "Songs like “Worlds at War” and “That Time of Year” stood alongside the best of their peers" ([2]). It's nearly 40 years since this band was active, so on current evidence we should be able to presume notability - as there was likely greater coverage in the 1980s we cannot access. (Note - I have not managed to access the books above mentioned by Chubbles). ResonantDis_tortion 16:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Sourcing found. There is evidence that more should be presumed to exist offline. Likely meets WP:NBAND. ~Kvng (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the work of the subsequent !voters, I will move to keep the article. Chubbles (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Lack of notability [[User:Revirvlkodlaku|Revirvlkodlaku]] ([[User talk:Revirvlkodlaku|talk]]) 14:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
+*<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|Bands and musicians]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Washington, D.C.|Washington, D.C.]]. [[User:GSS|<span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS</span>]]&#x202F;[[User talk:GSS|<sup>&#128172;</sup>]] 15:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Comment''' This band was signed to [[Dischord Records]], a label that has had substantial independent coverage, and had a member who later formed [[Girls Against Boys]]. It's rather plausible that, given those circumstances, this band would have received retrospective attention. I don't have them on hand, but these sources should probably be consulted in the event they have significant coverage of the band:
+* {{cite book |last1=Andersen |first1=Mark |last2=Jenkins |first2=Mark |title=Dance of Days: Two Decades of Punk in the Nation's Capital |date=2009 |publisher=Akashic Books |location=New York}}
+* {{cite book |last1=Azerrad |first1=Michael |title=Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes from the American Indie Underground, 1981–1991 |date=2001 |publisher=Little, Brown, and Company |location=Boston}}
+* {{cite book |last1=Blush |first1=Steven |title=American Hardcore: A Tribal History |date=2001 |publisher=Feral House |location=Los Angeles}}
+-- [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] ([[User talk:Chubbles|talk]]) 15:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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+* '''Keep''' This is a tricky subject to find sources for - due to both the generic band name, and the age since they were active.  I have added 4 citations to non-trivial independent coverage, all from reliable sources.  I am leaning keep as a result; they may have have been short-lived but their music does appear to have significance, and sustained impact - with independent commentary such as "''La Vache Qui Rit is both aesthetically and historically valuable''" ([https://exclaim.ca/music/article/rain-la_vache_qui_rit]), and "''Songs like “Worlds at War” and “That Time of Year” stood alongside the best of their peers''" ([https://exhibitions.lib.umd.edu/dc-punk/year/1987]).  It's nearly 40 years since this band was active, so on current evidence we should be able to presume notability - as there was likely greater coverage in the 1980s we cannot access.   (Note - I have not managed to access the books above mentioned by {{u|Chubbles}}).  ''Resonant[[User_talk:ResonantDistortion|Dis''<sub>tor</sub>''tion]]'' 16:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Keep''' - Sourcing found. There is evidence that more should be presumed to exist offline. Likely meets [[WP:NBAND]]. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 18:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
+*Based on the work of the subsequent !voters, I will move to '''keep''' the article. [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] ([[User talk:Chubbles|talk]]) 00:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
+{{clear}}
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