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Apart from a vandal who came and went. She has formed the political party PRAJA http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-afspa-is-a-political-issue-not-human-rights-will-fight-it-politically-irom-sharmila-2265569 google is your friend. If anyone wants to update the page feel free or not.

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Request edit 21 March 2016 The date of the rearrest now accepted by wiki is 28 March 2016. Not sure how that has been verified since today is only the 21 March 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.183.96 (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2nd request

Second request to edit in paragraph 3 of the fast and its responses you claim that under Indian Law anyone charged with IPC 309 "attempts to commit suicide ... shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year [or with fine, or with both] <redact> If anyone has an interest in updating please do so. I actually understand the case better than anyone else feel free to ask me what is going on or not. <redact> Desmond Coutinho83.71.21.137 (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not completely sure what your point is here. I removed the bit of content identifying the law, is it was just just tacked on by someone and cited only the Indian code - there was no source saying this is the section of the code under which she was arrested or tried. As to the rest of what you write, if you want to propose changes to the content, with sources, please do so. I have redacted the part of your post that is just venting about her case or about Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a go here but in the past even if i post stuff here somebody tries to get me barred. http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=12..230216.feb16 This is the statement from the new Magistrate dealing with Sharmila's trial based on an arrest on 23 January 2015 This is a link to sectioin 436 CrPC which he quotes from adding 40 days to a putative maximum sentence. http://indiankanoon.org/doc/770661/

It doesn't make any sense. She has never been given bail. But I have sent two letters to the Metropolitan Magistrate in Delhi using my power of attorney form to dismiss vakalatnama of the HRLN lawyers defending her there and requesting the Magistrate take action against the illegal detention now of Irom Sharmila and obstruction of the course of justice by the Police there. http://www.india.com/news/india/irom-sharmila-unlikely-to-appear-before-delhi-court-903570/ Above is the Police statement asking again for another suitable date from the Metropolitan Magistrate but at that time they had no legal right to hold Sharmila.

This is the section that deals with IPC 309 for which the FIR was made on 23 January 2015 http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1501595/

This is the full judgement of the District & Sessions Court of 19th August 2015. https://humanrightsmanipur.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/judgement-and-order-releasing-irom-chanu-sharmila/ If you read the full judgement or seek advice from any lawyer not involved in this case you will see that he does not make any ruling regarding the illegality of rearrest. The simplest way of explaining it is that he allows the motion to dismiss on the grounds that the police provided absolutely no evidence at all. The Manipur Government then appealed the decision to the High Court of Manipur which stayed the ruling of the District & Sessions court. However it being a third world country I can't find a press report about that by simple searches. I did find the following report that the Government was intending to appeal to the High Court but the actual press report about the High Court's staying of the original verdict has been removed from archives. The press is controlled in Manipur by the police. http://ifp.co.in/page/items/22755/state-to-challenge-sharmilas-release-order-source It's more complicated than this but your report is not accurate. It leads people to believe that the courts have repeatedly ruled that Sharmila cannot be charged with IPC 309 which would mean an end to force feeding and her death. Or as it is sometimes put she is given her democratic right to protest.

This is a link to a twenty minute video diary by Irom Sharmila which quite plainly states she has never campaigned for the repeal of IPC 309. She seeks only the repeal of the AFSPA and she condemns those groups which have tried to shift her campaign away from the AFSPA to the repeal of IPC 309 http://www.minoritiesofindia.org/15-year-hunger-striker-irom-sharmila-repeal-indias-afspa-or-i-die-of-starvation/

This is difficult. I am not a lawyer. I am her only friend and if the truth matters let a lawyer read the above and try to make sense of it. For the past fifteen years Sharmila has been detained for one year stretches you can read the justification for that in the District & Sessions Court Judgement. There have been successful appeals to the Indian Judiciary in her case removing for example one of the isolation orders for about a year but it has come back. The legal case has become very twisted. If you don't understand it then leave the comments here. In the past everything I write about the legal case has been removed by experts here might even have been you. You may or may not be surprised that since trying to find out actual legal judgements in a third world country where it's now effectively a police state run by police death squads most lazy scribes merely repeat what you say here and it is misleading.

The police should not be able to detain someone indefinitely because the low level magistrates are too afraid to say no to them. All they had to do was to release her and rearrest and it would become difficult to prove they had done anything wrong. So I am saying if you read the above you will see that they have moved on now. There are reasons for the haste. There are reasons for the attempt to cover up. But you have not understood that there are now still two or three trials concurrent and if the police had released and rearrested her we would be up to four trials concurrent. And that fact has been glossed over by this article.

I can provide a full account of how the first isolation order was removed in 2013 and how it is has been restored via the back door. But if you keep offering to accept evidence and then delete it I'll leave it to those who understand how to use google and are prepared to make the effort to find out for themselves. Oh yeah wiki's wonderful and you are cool you can delete that but leave the actual references to the trial maybe archive them in case they get deleted thanks Desmond Coutinho 86.46.223.0 (talk) 10:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

it is not clear what changes you would like to see made in the article. Jytdog (talk) 18:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What your article says for now is:

"In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide.[30] The prosecution's case was closed in June 2015 and Sharmila was scheduled to testify in August 2015"

I am not going to give you any more references because Google is your friend. But I suggest that the above is below the standard of an encylclopedia given that it contracts a very complex set of trials and detentions without trial into two sentence non-sequiturs. It's your encyclopedia you ban me if I try to post anything and sometimes you try to ban me from posting anything even on talk. But you asked so assuming goodwill I answer.

The March 2013 is in reference to the arrest referred to earlier in that section "On 6 October, she was re-arrested by the Delhi police for attempting suicide..."

tldr, no sourcing

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

In India when an officer makes an arrest he files an FIR or first information report which he has to present before a magistrate within 24 hours. The Magistrate then determines whether there are grounds for an arrest if so the arrestee can be detained for up to 14 days (in Indian English every fifteenth day so 15 days but in US and English English we usually say fortnightly) on either police or judicial remand. Most of India's detainees in prison are on this kind of pretrial detention. I know this is complicated and if you have little or no legal training you may get bored. But this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. So if it's too difficult leave it for someone else please don't delete.

They detained Sharmila at two Delhi hospitals for around six months. And then in September 2012 this FIR came to trial ie a Charge Sheet was framed by the Police agreed to by the Court Prosecutor and then the trial in Delhi officially starts. Without giving you too many details this is the trial you refer to by the nonsequitur "In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide."

Again would imply that she had been put on trial before. But that is not true. In Imphal what the police were doing were making FIRs annually. But they never followed through with an actual Charge Sheet so no trial actually began. A trial under Indian Law begins when the Charge Sheet is filed before a Judge or Magistrate which includes the FIR but also has prosecution witnesses and all the documents and things used as Evidence (Exhibit etc A if you watch TV law dramas)

What they did in Imphal and continued until the trial started in Delhi at the court of the Metropolitan Magistrate was hold her for 365 days and then release her then file another FIR a day or so later. It is complicated but you haven't understood it.

So from September 2012 till present there has been a trial in Delhi at the court of the Metropolitan Magistrate based on the FIR of 6 October 2006. And from time to time other trials began and were stopped in Imphal.

This is for background information I am not supplying google references because you find it too difficult to follow. The first set of trials began around May 2013 in Imphal led by a new lawyer who turned up Mr Khaidem Mani he is cited in the references above as appealing to the High Court in Imphal. His policy was to have the trials dimissed on the grounds that a political hunger strike is not an attempt to commit suicide, he cited double jeopardy and various Supreme court directives. He took the argument to the judicial magistrate first class Imphal East who refused to allow the motion to dismiss. He then appealed to the Chief Judicial Magistrate Imphal East who also stated that there were grounds for trial. Finally he took the case to the District & Sessions Court which in August ruled that he wasn't going to look at the legal arguments because in the charge sheet filed by the police no evidence had been supplied. He did rule out double jeopardy though. Then you weren't the only people to become confused. The Government of Manipur appealed to the High Court because they wished to rearrest Sharmila and were not sure if the District & Sessions Court Judgement actually prevented that. The High Court of Manipur stayed the verdict of the District & Sessions Court and awaits deliberations of counsels prosecution and defence.

Sharmila was then rearrested in August when I turned up in Imphal and using my power of attorney form met with Sharmila weekly till Xmas 2013 fighting the Defence Counsel's strategy because unconditional release would end force feeding and Sharmila would be allowed to die within 20 days (also in the opinion of the District & Sessions Court Judge) and I did not want her to die. I was beaten up by the SP of the Jail while presenting my last court order to meet with Sharmila, but I was actually arrested for being beaten up by Police sponsored mobs though when and where is still disputed. That trial never took place either but I was detained for 77 days concurrently with Sharmila.

The Judicial Magistrate 1 Class released Sharmila on 22 January 2015 in response to the motion to dismiss again on the grounds that the Police hadn't brought any evidence to bear in their charge sheet of the latest arrest.

The final case if I am boring you please don't delete has gone through four presiding magistrates. First the CJM Imphal West because the arrest took place in a different area of Imphal from before. She was promoted after the prosecution rested. The Judicial Magistrate 1st Class Imphal East took over the case and didn't know what to do with it so he passed it to the Chief Judicial Magistrate Imphal East. She declined to allow Sharmila to depose evidence and assisted the police in driving away the 16 witnesses who had agreed to stand in her defence. Finally a new magistrate promoted from another area of Manipur took over the case and on 24 February claimed he could reach a judgement after briefly hearing summation from prosecution and defence. She has for this FIR served 402 days of a putative maximum 365 days. The Magistrate had no right to detain her and he hasn't worked out like the Magistrate in Delhi has that while hte trial can continue indefinitely the detention is limited to 365 days for this charge. Clearly the current trial is a mistrial. The only real legal option for the magistrate is to declare a mistrial and offer the prosecution a chance to refile. In any event she cannot be detained any longer and will be released on 1 March. She will be arrested again probably that day possibly on a new charge.

The Magistrate in Delhi has issued a fresh summons for the trial begun in September 2012 these dates are 29th and 30th March 2016.

This is a very brief summary of the legal proceedings. If you read what have in your encylcopedia you will see there is not the slightest resemblance between what you say and hte facts as I have described them. I appreciate you are not a newspaper. But based on what you have written in what sense are you an encylopedia. I am deliberately not mentioning Sharmila's support for arrest of the police death squads one of whom confessed in open court that are run by the CM and retired Chief of police because that story is really surreal.

Desmond Coutinho 86.43.182.19 (talk) 11:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

needs sorting

moving this here for now per the note above. apparently not accurate, so better to say nothing til it is straightened out.

In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide.^[1] The prosecution's case was closed in June 2015 and Sharmila was scheduled to testify in August 2015.^[1] In November 2013 she gave an interview to NDTV in which she discussed tensions with her organisation, the Just Peace Foundation, in which she claimed that members had made honour killing death threats against her due to her relationship with Desmond Coutinho, a British citizen, and complained that the foundation was preventing her from giving prize money she had been awarded to people or causes she wanted to help. The foundation replied that her imprisonment had made communications difficult, and that NDTV was trying to rouse hatred between Sharmila and the organisation.^[2]^[3]

References

^ ^a ^b "Court to record Irom Sharmila's statement on August 11". Economic Times. 6 June 2015. Retrieved 7 June 2015.
^ Alok Pandey for NDTV 7 November 2013 Faced 'honour killing' threats for relationship with foreigner, says activist Irom Sharmila
^ "JPF threatens legal action against NDTV". The Sangai Express. 9 November 2013. Retrieved 7 July 2015.

- Jytdog (talk) 11:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC) I figure if it's truthful and verifiable I can't be the only person on line who knows how to google. One more correction for now the article claims at the end of the Fast and Responses section penultimate sentence "She has only met her mother once since the start of the fast as seeing her mother's anguish may break her resolve." She has met her mother at least three or four times that I know of and which were reported after her imprisonment. There are photos of her mother walking beside her on release available on line and on the penultimate occasion her mother gave her a long speech on why she must never abandon her fast not that Sharmila needed the speech. It may be a minor point but your version is not true and easily checked. I presume it comes from a statement she made to Mx Mehrothra who wrote her first English Biography in the previous decade and these visits occurred in this decade. That phrase is then repeated although circumstances have changed. Thank you for responding. If anybody is interested in sorting out the mess good for them. Desmond Coutinho 83.71.21.137 (talk) 12:28, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

500 weeks of hunger strike?

Hunger strike implies not eating. Here the article also claims she did not drink. How can wikipedia allow such ridiculous hoax? Anybody not drinking for a few days dies. Anybody not eating for several months dies. It depends on how much water and fat you store before the fast, but 2 years of not eating is impossible even for an obese person, or for a hibernating groundhog for that matter. So 10 years of not eating is just ridiculous, especially for a lean person. Please rewrite this article completely to preserve the respectability of wikipedia.

EDIT: Ah ok, I saw hidden in the text that she did not actually do hunger strike as she was fed by nasogastric tube the whole time. So please don't pretend she did not eat or drink. The article should be greatly rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.142.239.170 (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC) In response to whether the 16 years in prison mainly under illegal isolation orders the banal humiliations of prison life and theft both material and of reputation should not be described as a hunger strike because Sharmila was force fed: I presume you're a mainland Indian because who else would care. She went on a hunger strike. The response internationally to hunger strikes is either to let them die or to force feed. Force feeding is done either with permission but not consent or without permission and without consent. In the latter case the manner in which force feeding is done is treated as a cruel and unusual punishment. In Sharmila's case as with several other hunger strikers the Indian Government invoked IPC 309 attempt to commit suicide and used either to tie the hunger striker down and feed them by hand holding the mouth open after beating them first to soften them up or they would use naso-gastric intubation. In her case they used naso-gastric intubation. IPC 309 has now been removed so a hunger strike could not now lawfully be stopped in India and would be difficult to maintain for very long before the body consumed itself and the person died of multiple organ failure or survived but with limited brain function. If people understand that she followed the satyagraha tradition of the Mahatma Gandhi offering non-violent non-cooperation and hunger fast to oppose an unjust law then it is accurate. Gandhi-ji was inspired by both eastern and western non-violent opposition to shame the unjust into reconsidering their position. The Irish Poet W B Yeats wrote a play on this form of protest. But if people rely on wiki for their education then confusion most likely will remain. Second your question seems to come from a political and nationalist bias. Political questions cannot be resolve by facts. They are more like religious beliefs. In that sense it is irrelevant what a wiki article states about the campaign to remove the AFSPA from India.[reply]

This article has issues with past and present tense

It is obvious from reading this article that most of it was written while the "fast" was still happening. I've tried to edit some occasions where this has happened. But as I'm not familiar with this subject I think it's best to leave for someone to make holistic changes to the article, and reword it reflect that the fast is a historical event.

[EcTimes2015-06-1] "Court to record Irom Sharmila's statement on August 11". Economic Times. 6 June 2015. Retrieved 7 June 2015.

[2] Alok Pandey for NDTV 7 November 2013 Faced 'honour killing' threats for relationship with foreigner, says activist Irom Sharmila

[3] "JPF threatens legal action against NDTV". The Sangai Express. 9 November 2013. Retrieved 7 July 2015.

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-She wasn't asked to stand by Ibobi Singh his offer was more vague. As Ibobi Singh sells the ticket it doesn't make sense he'd lose out money wise by offering a safe seat to Sharmila.  But this is wiki.   <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 18:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Additional odd comments Mr Babloo Loitongbam who is quoted self-referentially as a good egg was outed in a 2014 Indian Intelligence Bureau report as a paid agent of foreign governments who uses his fake NGOs to organize fake human rights campaigns to favour one multinational over another for oil and mineral extraction rights. One of his fronts JPF in 2013 announced they would be breaking all links with Sharmila in lieu of providing audited accounts of how they had been spending Sharmila's prize funds and also accused of using the tax free status to money launder for Mr Loitongbam. No one reading finds new information however as Mr Loitongbam is a sad self-publicist I am sure he appreciates the cover up wiki editors are doing for him. if he isn't paying you then you are stupid as well as uninformed. Desmond Coutinho still not idea what you mean by this is unsigned. The other errors and misinformation are minor.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 14:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-An Editor posted a concern that I am too close to Sharmila fair enough. But I don't really update anything anymore. If people want to find out about her they will have to find other means. Wiki is to provide a base of verifiable data. So long as people don't arbitrarily remove information that's fine. There doesn't appear to be anyone else willing either to discuss POV concerns or to update the information. In the past when I have vandals have just removed everything. People can find out more by other means but there's a lot of rubbish posted on the Web and one false reference still on Wiki which I leave just to confirm the lazy still quote Wiki when they haven't done their homework. The only thing I'd keep for now are her trial dates. But that will soon end. The main people who would take an interest in this page would be corrupt officials from Manipur and those who profit from its lawlessness. And of course wiki editors who like to edit things. But it's only one source and the internet will fail if people revert to one source.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 03:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:I tried to make the page flow better and reflect a neutral POV. I removed most of the trial dates that have passed. It didn't look like anything notable came from them. I left the December 9th date, maybe something will happen then and the article can be updated. [[User:ParacusForward|ParacusForward]] ([[User talk:ParacusForward|talk]]) 01:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
-First problem ParacusForward like most wiki editors you don't understand the subject but wiki functions like a micropedia if they want more information the real people's encyclopaediais called Google. Either you don't understand the problems of getting past the big brother police state of Manipur where people are terrified to report the truth or you don't care. I thought perhaps this might be a place to release info but I noticed the spike in info came from reports available via google. One national tv company followed by a local newspaper broke the story on the death threats and hate mail. Then the gangsters responded in an Indian national tabloid. Now they are trying to put the djinn back into the bottle. I don't think you are necessarily malicious the police and security forces wouldn't have to pay you to supress the truth. You are clearly racist or if you prefer the more encylopaediac term ethnocentric. One of the sources the only one I saw that was completely incorrect is a Chinese Government Human Rights Agency. They are not so hot on Tibet and can be truthful on non chinese human rights abuses but in Manipur they have close links with the major human rights NGO which has long been run by the local police. I am sure things will happen but since you haven't got any interest in updating it none will report it here. I don't believe it is helpful either. Wiki did not allow the 24 hours grace to support to keep my fiancee alive again not out of malice but because of aspergers syndrome. I am sending her Hard Times if you haven't read it Wiki does a good summary they are also good for things like definition of satyagraha but for up to date info Google is the first port of call or Twitter. So anyway good luck with your project but the manner in which a few ignorant racist wiki editors claim ownership of this venture with nobody else having the courage to challenge them in case they too are red handed by a confederacy of dunces will make it less relevant. It is far from accurate or up to date. Mainly because editors like you do not have sufficient background understanding of hte politics and culture of the articles you edit. Before I began editing wiki hadn't updated info for several years. No doubt now you will accept unchallenged the false government reports which because they carry the weight of Chinese Propaganda agencies and local newspapers wholly intimidated by the Manipur State and corrupt police will now stand unchallenged by the editors who look only at code grammar and syntax and have no understanding of hte problems of truth reporting from within a police state of the third world. Idiots like you will also complain how your own press are not independent. {{unsigned|DesmondCoutinho|14:24, 12 November 2013‎}}
-:'''Ok, enough'''. DesmondCoutinho, your inability to refrain from making personal attacks on contributors, combined with your apparent refusal to comply with the ''obligatory'' requirements regarding proper sourcing of contentious material suggests to me that it will be necessary to request that you be topic-banned from editing this article or blocked from editing Wikipedia entirely. I suspect that such a request will be a formality. However, before I do that, I'll make one proposal: will you agree (a) not to edit the article directly yourself (as Wikipedia [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] guidelines suggest), (b) not to make further personal attacks on contributors, and (c) confine any further posts on this talk page to requests for the article to be edited by others - such requests to be accompanied by the necessary [[WP:RS|published reliable sources]]? The choice is yours, and you don't have to agree - but if you don't, and you carry on the way you have been, you will have to take responsibility for your own actions, with the likely result that you will have no further influence on this article at all. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 15:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
+Apart from a vandal who came and went. She has formed the political party PRAJA  http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-afspa-is-a-political-issue-not-human-rights-will-fight-it-politically-irom-sharmila-2265569 google is your friend. If anyone wants to update the page feel free or not.
-:I am somewhat confused by this message. I received a "Thanks" from you 4 days ago regarding my edit to this page. So I am confused as to why this message was addressed to me, was the "thanks" click in error?
-:You wrote: "I thought perhaps this might be a place to release info". I don't think this is the place to release information (see [[WP:NOR]]). I think the best way to do that is to either work with a journalist, or work with Irom to create an official website elsewhere on the web for her. It would be appropriate to include an external link to that page here. Considering the ongoing challenges she is facing it would make sense for her to have a voice on the internet on her own website. This Wikipedia page cannot serve as that website.  [[User:ParacusForward|ParacusForward]] ([[User talk:ParacusForward|talk]]) 07:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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-Dear few wiki editors who claim now to own wiki
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-When these things become personal they can become petty. I don’t believe you have the competence to authorize a lifetime ban on another wiki editor ie another human being. Wiki doesn’t work that way. Neither do computers. You might approve of the techniques of third world dictatorships. But you’ll find it hard to enforce that kind of censorship on any part of the internet that isn’t entirely your own. Unless one of you is the wiki founder in which case you changed your tune mate not giving you any more donations.
+The date of the rearrest now accepted by wiki is 28 March 2016. Not sure how that has been verified since today is only the 21 March 2016  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.43.183.96|86.43.183.96]] ([[User talk:86.43.183.96|talk]]) 10:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-I was informed of the recent spate of death threats against Sharmila via a Mumbai Activist who received a message from a Manipuri who didn’t want to be named. I asked for 24 hours grace from wiki on exceptional grounds because the threats were made only because the Authorities believe they can control media coverage of what they do. What the Nazis told the Jews they murdered in the death camps was that no one would ever know what would happen to them, that when they were all dead they would turn the camps into gardens. Even the memory of their existence would be expunged. Yes in that I am comparing you to a bunch of Nazis. I don’t know how the story broke only that wiki had nothing to do with it. On 7th November at her fortnightly judicial remand hearing a reporter for a national Indian Television News Channel managed an 11 minute interview with Sharmila. You may be aware even if a reporter has a documented story they require multiple confirmations, sort of like wiki but these people have a broad and deep background knowledge of the culture politics history and current events around the topic. Wiki editors blindly follow protocols and then mix that with prejudice and uninformed reasoning often removing important disclosures because they lack any qualifications or experience to judge what matters.
-The page on Irom Sharmila has shrunk over the past two years because of the moronic conduct of a few over aggressive editors with too much time who race about different articles expunging data based on idiosyncratic nonsense. Content makes no difference to them whether they are editing articles on UFO sightings, the history of double entry bookkeeping or Irom Sharmila. Some examples are one editor decided loads of people are nominated for the long list of the Nobel Prize so he removed her nomination based on his opinion that long list nominations are not noteworthy. Hundreds of people are nominated every year for the long list. But there are now 7 billion people on this planet and I don’t believe any wiki editor has ever received a nomination or personally knows anyone who has. The short list is not published so wiki editors could argue it’s pure speculation. However informed opinion is published yearly by several respected organizations I believe one is called the Olaf trust (google is very helpful try it). For at least two consecutive years they have posited Sharmila as a possible on the short list which is always a single figure guess. Wiki editors have removed most of the smaller prizes offered to Sharmila because they didn’t like the Indian sounding names of the awards but they were fully referenced. Similarly they have removed at least one puppet production and two dance theatre productions about her. The graffiti image of her from Mumbhai is iconic. But because it wasn’t done by Banksy the snobbery of western wiki editors had it expunged. These people never use their real names and are bringing the concept of a free and open knowledge database into disrepute by the bullying and intimidation of anyone who disagrees with their nasty tactics in the case of this article.
-Unless other wiki editors stand up to these petty racists who know nothing about India Manipur or Irom Sharmila yet pontificate on what can be posted here and now claim absolute power to remove any other editor who disagrees with them wiki is already dead. Hundreds will come to the article to learn more about Sharmila having read something somewhere and all will now leave disappointed because it adds nothing. The prime wiki editor of a people’s encylopaedia is people. The downside of giving the unqualified this sort of power is you reduce the quality and content of articles when ignorant bigot gangs take up personal vendettas. I presume the hope was you would only edit articles you where you had some knowledge of the subject. But some feel that they have now become professionalized wiki editors although they don’t need any outside reference to qualify them as experts.
-But back to the last key event that wiki will not allow to be noted along with many others. Usually before an interview the press are cautioned not to report any criticism of the Government of Manipur otherwise the privilege given to them will be removed. There’s an unspoken threat also that scribes have low life expectancy in Manipur. Manipur is like Sri Lanka only the press have more freedom in Sri Lanka. And the local police as yet do not believe the NHRC were serious about upholding Sharmila’s rights. I am sure the current batch of hate driven wiki editors know nothing about Sri Lanka too but will now scurry about any Lankan wiki site removing data for reasons best known to themselves.
-If you were to watch the interview which you probably won’t (others can google it) you’ll see that the interviewer presses Sharmila I think with sensitivity but she doesn’t want confrontation, it’s not the way of satyagraha (read wiki for that but please don’t censor it the chappie seems to know what he is talking about). The interviewer already knows what is going on unlike these wiki editors but he needs her to confirm. As he tries to draw her into giving up a name several IPS officers start to crowd him announcing the interview is over. It’s really quite dramatic. It’s a pity the real world doesn’t interest you. He doesn’t manage to get a name but he does get confirmation of honor killing threats and that she cannot donate funds to good causes from the trust fund purportedly set up in her name. It’s always the cover up. The Goodfellas got really annoyed that someone broke the news embargo. And yes these guys do give as their reasoning for criminal acts that they you did not give them enough respect. So the next day her brother announces in an Indian National Tabloid (google will help the curious) an overdetailed defence of what he claims he actually said and how Sharmila must have misunderstood him; something about preferring to spend a life sentence in prison if she chose to marry me and accepting he’d never see his own children growing up. But this time he clarified the life sentence wasn’t going to be for honor killing. In a report a few days later he geared down the clarification to he would no longer be part of her life if she married me; they do name me though never the same spelling twice. This is not news to anyone who actually knows something about Sharmila or Manipur. But there is a concerted response also attacking Sharmila for hate crimes for saying the word honor killing in response to one of the questions posed to her by the TV reporter and for showing a lack of gratitude when she implies the Trustees looking after her award money have been less than transparent in how they have spent it.
-For the last week or so the confirmations you claim you need multiplied at least two local Manipuri newspapers condemning Sharmila for her lack of gratitude in releasing news of the death threats against her, two Indian National Tabloids not really adding very much and the original TV interview now also on You Tube which is also a better place to look for info on Sharmila by the way. But this is not about improper referencing.
-I had one chappie here claiming I would save wiki, that’s for people who use it to do for themselves. I really don’t care about wiki and if one editor with a grudge can ban another editor without due process then that makes you less fair than Manipur which is a third world shithole, full of inbred xenophobic rednecks (no dig at wiki nerds intended).
-The thing is the story broke without wiki. A few years back Wiki editors removed the story about Sharmila which was broken by an Indian Media company also against the wishes of the local mafia. That time it was another national tabloid and in revenge the local cops had it burnt and banned. They now pay 15% tax and handed over editorial control to one of the Goodfellas in Manipur. I have no idea why wiki editors removed that story sometimes they remove stuff because of the lust to edit. It comes out with a basic google search if you let google guess the end of a partial question, which means it’s been trending in Google even if wiki has expunged the story.
-Anyway you can’t burn and ban a TV broadcast if you are just a small town gangster. The Managing Trustee of her trust fund originally said they had begun to sue but she is lying. They really don’t want the truth to come out bit like some wiki editors. And Truth is an absolute defence under Indian Law.
-She is safer for now. If they try to arrange for example a spontaneous uprising of a local 25 strong rentamob burning her effigy in the street or if they continue with the hate mail and death threats then it’s more pressure on the NHRC to have her removed to Delhi at least until the end of her trial. I’ll be beside her in Delhi if the Manipur State obeys the law and sends her. And I’ll be in Imphal to visit her in Xmas if they don’t.
-Ordinarily I’d offer to put the dates up on her wiki page since the only request I get from odd manipuris is what dates am I coming. You’d just edit it out. And the local police will inform them if they want something done. The set up is a bit like Burma a set of articles you really should leave alone. Burmans are very protective of Suu Kyi if you tried to sabotage any wiki page about her they’d retaliate robustly.
-But you make it sound like you are barring me from a private gentlemen’s club, a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep. And I still do not believe you have the authority unless you own the site. It was meant to intimidate any editor who wished to break the news embargo placed by the Manipur State upon Irom Sharmila Chanu.
-I’ll be back in a few years inshallah you won’t be around. You’ll have moved on to Paris Hilton or may i suggest any area you have some knowledge of. You editors never stay on any one article for long. You live to edit and I shouldn’t be so harsh with you guys. There are 7 billion others who might actually care. I am trying them
-Knock yourself out then, put in commas remove brackets, one chappie who really thinned out the page used to do it as a form of chronic pain control. Nobody will update for a fair while. You’ll get bored here coz you’ll have nothing to do or you’ll edit it down to Irom Sharmila this article is a stub, and then you’ll go edit something else and no doubt have terrible vendettas with other people who have a passion for their subject. You and wiki are unimportant. Why write then. Because you are liars and I should make the effort to confront obvious lies. So this page will do unless of course you edit it out and nobody else undoes that undo.
-Wiki does have fine pages for lists I am working through Human Rights Organizations one thing leads to another. And if she is released. We get to live our lives and I have no further interest in the internet. There’s really no need to make it personal I don’t care whether you live or die I am sure you feel the same about me and Sharmila.
-But if there were a simpler way to access all the info wiki editors delete from an article at one click that would be much more informative then the thinned out page. Even an extended page cannot sum up a person. But this one has been thinned out over the years by different wiki editors and that means by definition ordinary ignorant people with no specialist knowledge of the subject. Anyone who had learnt anything about Sharmila elsewhere would already more informed than the current wiki half page. But as I noted before if people want to learn more they can use Google. I would ask who you are but I really don’t care.
-This Xmas I am going to Imphal to see my girl. Like all cowardly abusers the Police and their sponsored goons will back down when I face up to them. Although it helps to have a foreign passport, money and no overarching desire to extend my life beyond the moment. We all follow our bliss. Some get to edit out extra commas from wiki articles and ban turbulent dissidents. I hope your turkey isn’t too dry for you. And some of us get to spend Xmas in Imphal with the woman of our dreams. I am Desmond Coutinho, 23 Shannon Oaks, Portumna, Co Galway and I am Sharmila’s fiance and only chosen spokesman.
-I presume you’ll want a last word. In the past if I drew attention to what I thought was an unjustified series of cuts the editor would go back and make some more. I am not claiming moral superiority to anyone else. I’m not that nice or kind which should be easy to work out. But then that’s her choice, her fundamental human right to choose whomever she wishes even if it he is jerk. And from my limited experience nice guys got no stamina. What will not happen is for a wiki editor who understands editing to go back and fix the mess. You’ll either make a few more cuts or walk away. That’s why I am leaving this article and working on what wiki does well. Lists of agencies who might help break the media embargo and isolation order illegally placed upon Irom Sharmila Chanu.
-A good thing is that bloggers no longer just requote the wiki introduction and rename it a new article. People need to look at more than one source. There are bots that can push meaningless articles to the top of a google search and other bots that can remove articles from an ordinary google search. Archives can be deleted and if people understood the technology and had the money they could broaden the embargo. People either care about her or they don’t. It is clear the current batch of wiki editors don’t. Unfortunately neither do most Manipuris. As Tagore put it sometimes you have to become the candle and burn till others light their own way from you. (google will find you the exact quote).  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 11:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==(older thread)==
+==2nd request==
+Second request to edit in paragraph 3 of the fast and its responses you claim that under Indian Law anyone charged with IPC 309 "attempts to commit suicide ... shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year [or with fine, or with both] <redact> If anyone has an interest in updating please do so. I actually understand the case better than anyone else feel free to ask me what is going on or not. <redact> Desmond Coutinho[[Special:Contributions/83.71.21.137|83.71.21.137]] ([[User talk:83.71.21.137|talk]]) 16:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
-There are some huge POV lines with citations needed tags. It's been 4 months. Though the pollicy is for immediate removal of such content, especially from bio pages, I am leaving it there for now since user My Wikidness seems to be impassioned about IS. Please use credible sources to obviate further edits. Thanks [[User:Nshuks7|Nshuks7]] ([[User talk:Nshuks7|talk]]) 11:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
+:Not completely sure what your point is here.  I removed the bit of content identifying the law, is it was just just tacked on by someone and cited only the Indian code - there was no source saying this is the section of the code under which she was arrested or tried.  As to the rest of what you write, if you want to propose changes to the content, with sources, please do so.  I have redacted the part of your post that is just venting about her case or about Wikipedia. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
+I'll give it a go here but in the past even if i post stuff here somebody tries to get me barred.
+http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=12..230216.feb16
+This is the statement from the new Magistrate dealing with Sharmila's trial based on an arrest on 23 January 2015
+This is a link to sectioin 436 CrPC which he quotes from adding 40 days to a putative maximum sentence.
+http://indiankanoon.org/doc/770661/
+It doesn't make any sense. She has never been given bail. But I have sent two letters to the Metropolitan Magistrate in Delhi using my power of attorney form to dismiss vakalatnama of the HRLN lawyers defending her there and requesting the Magistrate take action against the illegal detention now of Irom Sharmila and obstruction of the course of justice by the Police there. http://www.india.com/news/india/irom-sharmila-unlikely-to-appear-before-delhi-court-903570/
-:I've attempted to remove all unsourced material and source everything that's left, but I'll be glad to have my work checked, redone, etc. if I've removed anything in error. -- [[User:Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Khazar|talk]]) 00:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
+Above is the Police statement asking again for another suitable date from the Metropolitan Magistrate but at that time they had no legal right to hold Sharmila.
-For some time Sharmila and I have agreed to marry and she has appointed me her spokesman. I am moving the list of european supporters to here otherwise her biography page gets clogged up with names of supporters. The only support which matters is next year at election 2012. The experts say that Manipuris are backward and need to be educated about democracy. The arab spring has taught the experts that it is the people who need to educate their political masters on what kind of democracy they want. I hope Manipuris at last take the opportunity to free Sharmila and rid Manipur of the black law next year.
+This is the section that deals with IPC 309 for which the FIR was made on 23 January 2015
-On 28 November 2010, UK [[Green Party of England and Wales|Green Party]] leader and [[European Parliament]] member [[Keith Taylor (British politician)|Keith Taylor]] wrote to the Indian government seeking the release of Sharmila and the repeal of the AFSPA.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.srai.org/eu-leader-seeks-sharmila-release/ |title=EU leader seeks Sharmila release |author=K Sarojkumar Sharma |date=28 November 2010 |work= |publisher=srai.org |accessdate=8 May 2011}}</ref> Her main supporter in the European Union is Sir Graham Watson KB MEP <ref>[http://grahamwatsonmep.org/en/article/2010/067084/irom-sharmila-nears-decade-long-hunger-strike-graham-watson-pays-tribute]</ref> chair of the India/EU delegation of MEPs. He has consistently made interventions on her behalf most recently to Dr J Bhagwati Indian Ambassador to the EU who responded on 1 July 2011 to his request to respond to the death threats made against Irom Sharmila. Indian Ambassadors reference BRU/AMB/48/2011 Embassy of India, 1050 Brussels. He responds only that he understands that Irom Sharmila is a hunger striker and that the modification of AF(SP)A is under consideration. Previously in April 2011 Sri Graham Watson and the EU delegation had tried to visit Manipur but were not allowed to do so by the Indian Authorities. They visit each year this year they were allowed to visit, Delhi, Patna and Mumbai. Although Keith Taylor did write three letters on one occasion he has never responded to further input. Sri Graham Watson and other members of the EU delegation do always respond to further requests for help. For example a Dutch member of the India EU delegation Peter Van Dalen whose special interest group is Dalit and subaltern groups released this press statement for publication at the gathering at her tenth anniversary of fasting in November 2010 <ref>[http://www.ecrgroup.eu/mep-van-dalen-concerned-about-human-rights-in-northeast-india-news-201.html]</ref> Smt Sharon Bowles MEP sent Sharmila a personal letter of support which is now with Sharmila. She had added her personal regret that Sharmila was not nominated for the Sakharov last year due to insufficient support from other MEPs a nomination requires at least 40 MEP signatories. This year's nominations close on 13 September 2010. Another MEP member of the EU/India Delegation has stated that he does not believe Sharmila will be nominated this year either as very few MEPs know of her or Manipur.
+http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1501595/
+This is the full judgement of the District & Sessions Court of 19th August 2015. https://humanrightsmanipur.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/judgement-and-order-releasing-irom-chanu-sharmila/ If you read the full judgement or seek advice from any lawyer not involved in this case you will see that he does not make any ruling regarding the illegality of rearrest. The simplest way of explaining it is that he allows the motion to dismiss on the grounds that the police provided absolutely no evidence at all.
-The European MEPs were initially brought in by one of her Western campaigners Nicholas Crawford a philosophy student at Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge. He also chairs a small student think tank. The Wilberforce Society.<ref>[http://thewilberforcesociety.co.uk/?page_id=6]</ref> At the annual garden party Mr Crawford gave a speech about Irom Sharmila and the AFSPA in attendance was their patron Lord Wilson, a former head of the civil service, and Sir Christopher Hum, former UK ambassador to China. Before Xmas they hope to have a seminar on India and Human Rights. And plan to visit Manipur and Sharmila next summer. Sharmila has many letters from offices of Western Dignatories including those of HM Queen Elizabeth II, The Duchess of Cornwall, The President of Eire, Tony Blair and most recently the Scottish First Minister and the Mayor of London all stating that they are sorry about her circumstances but are unable to offer her any assistance. But she has always cared more about genuine letters seeking to make connections.
+The Manipur Government then appealed the decision to the High Court of Manipur which stayed the ruling of the District & Sessions court. However it being a third world country I can't find a press report about that by simple searches. I did find the following report that the Government was intending to appeal to the High Court but the actual press report about the High Court's staying of the original verdict has been removed from archives. The press is controlled in Manipur by the police. http://ifp.co.in/page/items/22755/state-to-challenge-sharmilas-release-order-source  It's more complicated than this but your report is not accurate. It leads people to believe that the courts have repeatedly ruled that Sharmila cannot be charged with IPC 309 which would mean an end to force feeding and her death. Or as it is sometimes put she is given her democratic right to protest.
+This is a link to a twenty minute video diary by Irom Sharmila which quite plainly states she has never campaigned for the repeal of IPC 309. She seeks only the repeal of the AFSPA and she condemns those groups which have tried to shift her campaign away from the AFSPA to the repeal of IPC 309 http://www.minoritiesofindia.org/15-year-hunger-striker-irom-sharmila-repeal-indias-afspa-or-i-die-of-starvation/
-Beyond that I have no axe to grind. Sometimes I get blocked sometimes what I say is printed. I have pretty much posted what I feel should be said on various blogs and pages. I am not that certain what difference it makes. It should be easy enough to verify. Wiki always had good basic information on Sharmila but it never seemed to get updated. As you are volunteers and probably have no deep concern with Sharmila all well and good and there does not appear to be any obvious misinformation here though obviously you can't sum up a life in a few pages. I am Yoko Ono. Nobody just listened to Yoko if they wanted to know about the Beatles. If the truth matters sure check out stuff and keep updating. So yeah if you keep the stuff all well and good and if not. Depends what wiki is about. If people want to find out stuff they just have to look more carefully. If you want me to dig around for references and if you can support pdf files I have letters from various officials I could download to you, if you think it matters. (Desi)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 04:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+This is difficult. I am not a lawyer. I am her only friend and if the truth matters let a lawyer read the above and try to make sense of it. For the past fifteen years Sharmila has been detained for one year stretches you can read the justification for that in the District & Sessions Court Judgement. There have been successful appeals to the Indian Judiciary in her case removing for example one of the isolation orders for about a year but it has come back. The legal case has become very twisted. If you don't understand it then leave the comments here. In the past everything I write about the legal case has been removed by experts here might even have been you. You  may or may not be surprised that since trying to find out actual legal judgements in a third world country where it's now effectively a police state run by police death squads most lazy scribes merely repeat what you say here and it is misleading.
-Well looks like that Khazar chappie is no longer posting. That's the way with doing work where everyone blames you for everything and no one gives you any credit. If they pay you it's not very much either. From what I could tell you did a good job editing. I put down what I have to say but I am not that convinced by the power of words any more. If you think editing is frustrating try actual campaigning for one person you really care about. I am not going to tell you to come back. But you did a good job and I hope good things come to you too now also. desi don't really understand the four tilda thing I was going to type four tildas but that can't be right and young people can be cruel. desi  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 10:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+The police should not be able to detain someone indefinitely because the low level magistrates are too afraid to say no to them. All they had to do was to release her and rearrest and it would become difficult to prove they had done anything wrong. So I am saying if you read the above you will see that they have moved on now. There are reasons for the haste. There are reasons for the attempt to cover up. But you have not understood that there are now still two or three trials concurrent and if the police had released and rearrested her we would be up to four trials concurrent. And that fact has been glossed over by this article.
-Yeah yeah what is the purpose of a wiki biography. It gives basic info and people have to start somewhere. I can provide you with direct quotes from her letters stating what she believes in, that her way of being is one of extreme non-violence, ie lasting change which comes through non-confrontation, respect and love for adversaries. I can quote you her words and her metaphors. You will know it is hers by the folk english indian grammar and the gentleness of her style. But if Wiki won't allow Irom Sharmila's words to appear on Irom Sharmila's biography page then it is Wiki that misses out. I appreciate the fact that the editors have no personal knowledge of Sharmila grants them greater objectivity but merely deleting her words when they are offered is short sighted vandalism. Having said that the internet is a big place and her words are like weeds other sites agreed to publish I have fulfilled her request. Pity that Khazar chappie left he got fed up with constant criticism from both wiki and the world I hope he has moved on to happier things. I am off on another 3 week noble silent retreat soon and I know that is more effective then offering updates here. But if it is your wish to have the bare bones of lists of awards and dates it's a good place for researchers to start looking to learn more. The best way is to meet her yourselves. One day soon I hope she will be free and you can do so. If anonymous users delete my entries unnecessarily I hope they are undone. If someone wants to take credit for changes fair enough if people agree with them. I actually know her and have been appointed her spokesman but this is neither an official nor authorized biographical site so I accept it has wiki rules and wiki conventions. Not sure why you removed the verifiable sources confirming her choice in life partner. It has caused her some discomfort the reports have been suppressed within Manipur. One would have hoped the internet and wiki would allow free expression of a verifiable fact the journalist concerned is Sonia Sharka of the Calcutta Herald I believe it's name. She had her reasons for breaking the story and I don't think she wants to annoy any one in manipur by pushing it too hard now but she broke it and you can't unring a bell. Time will tell. But if the rules are about verification then they seem to be arbitrarily used now a keen editor has gone.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 04:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+I can provide a full account of how the first isolation order was removed in 2013 and how it is has been restored via the back door. But if you keep offering to accept evidence and then delete it I'll leave it to those who understand how to use google and are prepared to make the effort to find out for themselves. Oh yeah wiki's wonderful and you are cool you can delete that but leave the actual references to the trial maybe archive them in case they get deleted thanks Desmond Coutinho [[Special:Contributions/86.46.223.0|86.46.223.0]] ([[User talk:86.46.223.0|talk]]) 10:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-Hey there Ericbo1 i am sure you are a fine subeditor but until you have worked out hte importance of bollywood to Indian politics maybe cool your jets. It's an important addition for those who want info it's a pity that subediting is done by people so ignorant of the subject matter some knowledge is necessary in order to the job beyond that of wiki conventions because I can't be bothered to learn them for wiki but we all have our foibles Superman had kryptonite I have a refusal to consent to standardized referencing systems like Harvard or Wiki. I've survived life this long too late for me to learn now. ciao bello I'll present my evidence elsewhere from now on.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DesmondCoutinho|DesmondCoutinho]] ([[User talk:DesmondCoutinho|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DesmondCoutinho|contribs]]) 04:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+: it is not clear what changes you would like to see made in the article. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-:I've replied on your talk page... hopefully you were able to read it before you left. '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>([[User:Ericleb01|Page]] &#124; [[User talk:Ericleb01|Talk]])</small>''' 04:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
+::What your article says for now is:
+::"In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide.[30] The prosecution's case was closed in June 2015 and Sharmila was scheduled to testify in August 2015"
+::I am not going to give you any more references because Google is your friend. But I suggest that the above is below the standard of an encylclopedia given that it contracts a very complex set of trials and detentions without trial into two sentence non-sequiturs. It's your encyclopedia you ban me if I try to post anything and sometimes you try to ban me from posting anything even on talk. But you asked so assuming goodwill I answer.
-== Irom Chanu Sharmila ==
-The English language has an excellent piece of advice: '''''One should not blow one's own horn!'''''
+::The March 2013 is in reference to the arrest referred to earlier in that section "On 6 October, she was re-arrested by the Delhi police for attempting suicide..."
-Irom Chanu is a Meitei woman, a citizen of Manipur.  Whether Manipuris are or are not Indian subjects is not something that belongs here.  The Indian State is not God; states come and go, nations - or ethnic groups - outlive states.  The ethnic groups of Manipur have been around for considerably longer than the Indian State, and for hundreds of years, the ancestors of today's Manipuris were blissfully ignorant of so momentous a "truth" that they were "Indians"!
+{{hat|tldr, no sourcing}}
+In India when an officer makes an arrest he files an FIR or first information report which he has to present before a magistrate within 24 hours. The Magistrate then determines whether there are grounds for an arrest if so the arrestee can be detained for up to 14 days (in Indian English every fifteenth day so 15 days but in US and English English we usually say fortnightly) on either police or judicial remand. Most of India's detainees in prison are on this kind of pretrial detention. I know this is complicated and if you have little or no legal training you may get bored. But this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. So if it's too difficult leave it for someone else please don't delete.
+They detained Sharmila at two Delhi hospitals for around six months. And then in September 2012 this FIR came to trial ie a Charge Sheet was framed by the Police agreed to by the Court Prosecutor and then the trial in Delhi officially starts. Without giving you too many details this is the trial you refer to by the nonsequitur "In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide."
-It is beyond controversy that the Indian State used brute force to terrorize various peoples and states to merge themselves into the Indian Union.  That was the work of Sardar Patel and Jawaharlal Nehru, both of them criminals of the first order.
+Again would imply that she had been put on trial before. But that is not true. In Imphal what the police were doing were making FIRs annually. But they never followed through with an actual Charge Sheet so no trial actually began. A trial under Indian Law begins when the Charge Sheet is filed before a Judge or Magistrate which includes the FIR but also has prosecution witnesses and all the documents and things used as Evidence (Exhibit etc A if you watch TV law dramas)
-It is beyond controversy that Manipur is not a historical part of the South Asian ethno-cultural continuum.
+What they did in Imphal and continued until the trial started in Delhi at the court of the Metropolitan Magistrate was hold her for 365 days and then release her then file another FIR a day or so later. It is complicated but you haven't understood it.
-It is beyond controversy that the King of Manipur was forced to "merge" his Kingdom into India at gunpoint, an act that, due to duress, is illegal, null and void of its own nature.
+So from September 2012 till present there has been a trial in Delhi at the court of the Metropolitan Magistrate based on the FIR of 6 October 2006. And from time to time other trials began and were stopped in Imphal.
-There is nothing "POV" about calling a spade a spade, or calling a draconian "law" a draconian "law".
+This is for background information I am not supplying google references because you find it too difficult to follow. The first set of trials began around May 2013 in Imphal led by a new lawyer who turned up Mr Khaidem Mani he is cited in the references above as appealing to the High Court in Imphal. His policy was to have the trials dimissed on the grounds that a political hunger strike is not an attempt to commit suicide, he cited double jeopardy and various Supreme court directives. He took the argument to the judicial magistrate first class Imphal East who refused to allow the motion to dismiss. He then appealed to the Chief Judicial Magistrate Imphal East who also stated that there were grounds for trial. Finally he took the case to the District & Sessions Court which in August ruled that he wasn't going to look at the legal arguments because in the charge sheet filed by the police no evidence had been supplied. He did rule out double jeopardy though. Then you weren't the only people to become confused. The Government of Manipur appealed to the High Court because they wished to rearrest Sharmila and were not sure if the District & Sessions Court Judgement actually prevented that. The High Court of Manipur stayed the verdict of the District & Sessions Court and awaits deliberations of counsels prosecution and defence.
-But what urges our vandal to whitewash or rather suppress such vital - and embarassing - information that the AFSPA "empowers" Indian military personnel to ''"to arrest citizens; search or destroy property without warrant; to shoot – and even to kill – on suspicion alone, and moreover gives the armed forces near-total immunity against any judicial action"''?  Is it moral cowardice?
+Sharmila was then rearrested in August when I turned up in Imphal and using my power of attorney form met with Sharmila weekly till Xmas 2013 fighting the Defence Counsel's strategy because unconditional release would end force feeding and Sharmila would be allowed to die within 20 days (also in the opinion of the District & Sessions Court Judge) and I did not want her to die. I was beaten up by the SP of the Jail while presenting my last court order to meet with Sharmila, but I was actually arrested for being beaten up by Police sponsored mobs though when and where is still disputed. That trial never took place either but I was detained for 77 days concurrently with Sharmila.
-AFSPA is a "legal charter" for State Terrorism.
+The Judicial Magistrate 1 Class released Sharmila on 22 January 2015 in response to the motion to dismiss again on the grounds that the Police hadn't brought any evidence to bear in their charge sheet of the latest arrest.
-The Indian State does not care a damn whether Irom Chanu dies or not; it objects to what it considers "blackmail" against its acts of terrorism and as attempts to curtail its "rights" to perpetrate State Terrorism, and so it indulges in brute force against one unarmed girl under the pretence of "preventing suicide"!  This is moral hypocrisy of the highest order, besides being gross misuse of powers, exposing the Indian State for exactly what it is - totally bereft of any concept of morality or acquaintance with any such notion as "conscience".
+The final case if I am boring you please don't delete has gone through four presiding magistrates. First the CJM Imphal West because the arrest took place in a different area of Imphal from before. She was promoted after the prosecution rested. The Judicial Magistrate 1st Class Imphal East took over the case and didn't know what to do with it so he passed it to the Chief Judicial Magistrate Imphal East. She declined to allow Sharmila to depose evidence and assisted the police in driving away the 16 witnesses who had agreed to stand in her defence. Finally a new magistrate promoted from another area of Manipur took over the case and on 24 February claimed he could reach a judgement after briefly hearing summation from prosecution and defence. She has for this FIR served 402 days of a putative maximum 365 days. The Magistrate had no right to detain her and he hasn't worked out like the Magistrate in Delhi has that while hte trial can continue indefinitely the detention is limited to 365 days for this charge. Clearly the current trial is a mistrial. The only real legal option for the magistrate is to declare a mistrial and offer the prosecution a chance to refile. In any event she cannot be detained any longer and will be released on 1 March. She will be arrested again probably that day possibly on a new charge.
-[[User:My Wikidness|My Wikidness]] 17:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
+The Magistrate in Delhi has issued a fresh summons for the trial begun in September 2012 these dates are 29th and 30th March 2016.
-:I am afraid that all of the things you say, while possibly true, are not agreed with by many people; I urge you to consider the fact that someone will come along soon and, if they see your words on the article, change it to a version completely opposed to yours. Please consider instead accepting an version of the article that will not annoy either of you enough to click the edit button. [[User:Hornplease|Hornplease]] 15:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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+This is a very brief summary of the legal proceedings. If you read what have in your encylcopedia you will see there is not the slightest resemblance between what you say and hte facts as I have described them. I appreciate you are not a newspaper. But based on what you have written in what sense are you an encylopedia. I am deliberately not mentioning Sharmila's support for arrest of the police death squads one of whom confessed in open court that are run by the CM and retired Chief of police because that story is really surreal.
-I can accept a truly "neutral" version of the entry.  Points which need to be stressed:
+{{hab}}
+Desmond Coutinho [[Special:Contributions/86.43.182.19|86.43.182.19]] ([[User talk:86.43.182.19|talk]]) 11:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
+==needs sorting==
-#While Manipur is de facto governed by India, there remains legitimate reasons to doubt that this is legal and morally so.  The people who are fighting for Manipur's independence have as much a right to the respect of their fellow-men as do the Indians, and, very probably, a greater right indeed, given that India's occupation is very questionable.  I cannot accept that India's monopoly on viewpoint is either moral or "NPOV"!
+moving this here for now per the note above. apparently not accurate, so better to say nothing til it is straightened out.
+* In March 2013 she was put on trial again for attempted suicide.<ref name=EcTimes2015-06/>  The prosecution's case was closed in June 2015 and Sharmila was scheduled to testify in August 2015.<ref name=EcTimes2015-06>{{cite news|title=Court to record Irom Sharmila's statement on August 11|url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/court-to-record-irom-sharmilas-statement-on-august-11/articleshow/47567055.cms|accessdate=7 June 2015|work=Economic Times|date=6 June 2015}}</ref>  In November 2013 she gave an interview to [[NDTV]] in which she discussed tensions with her organisation, the Just Peace Foundation, in which she claimed that members had made [[honor killing|honour killing]] death threats against her due to her relationship with Desmond Coutinho, a British citizen, and complained that the foundation was preventing her from giving prize money she had been awarded to people or causes she wanted to help. The foundation replied that her imprisonment had made communications difficult, and that NDTV was trying to rouse hatred between Sharmila and the organisation.<ref>Alok Pandey for NDTV 7 November 2013 [http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/faced-honour-killing-threats-for-relationship-with-foreigner-says-activist-irom-sharmila-540277 Faced 'honour killing' threats for relationship with foreigner, says activist Irom Sharmila]</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=JPF threatens legal action against NDTV|url=http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=1..101113.nov13|accessdate=7 July 2015|work=The Sangai Express|date=9 November 2013}}</ref>
-#There are no reasons to whitewash or suppress vital information concerning the nature of the AFSPA and which make it so objectionable to the peoples of Manipur, even those who are, like Irom Chanu herself, very probably favorable towards India.
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+- [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 11:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
+I figure if it's truthful and verifiable I can't be the only person on line who knows how to google.
+One more correction for now the article claims at the end of the Fast and Responses section penultimate sentence "She has only met her mother once since the start of the fast as seeing her mother's anguish may break her resolve." She has met her mother at least three or four times that I know of and which were reported after her imprisonment. There are photos of her mother walking beside her on release available on line and on the penultimate occasion her mother gave her a long speech on why she must never abandon her fast not that Sharmila needed the speech. It may be a minor point but your version is not true and easily checked. I presume it comes from a statement she made to Mx Mehrothra who wrote her first English Biography in the previous decade and these visits occurred in this decade. That phrase is then repeated although circumstances have changed. Thank you for responding. If anybody is interested in sorting out the mess good for them. Desmond Coutinho [[Special:Contributions/83.71.21.137|83.71.21.137]] ([[User talk:83.71.21.137|talk]]) 12:28, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
+== 500 weeks of hunger strike? ==
-Etc.
+Hunger strike implies not eating. Here the article also claims she did not drink. How can wikipedia allow such ridiculous hoax? Anybody not drinking for a few days dies. Anybody not eating for several months dies. It depends on how much water and fat you store before the fast, but 2 years of not eating is impossible even for an obese person, or for a hibernating groundhog for that matter. So 10 years of not eating is just ridiculous, especially for a lean person. Please rewrite this article completely to preserve the respectability of wikipedia.
-Kind regards,
+EDIT: Ah ok, I saw hidden in the text that she did not actually do hunger strike as she was fed by nasogastric tube the whole time. So please don't pretend she did not eat or drink. The article should be greatly rewritten.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.142.239.170|88.142.239.170]] ([[User talk:88.142.239.170#top|talk]]) 14:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-[[User:My Wikidness|My Wikidness]] 15:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
+In response to whether the 16 years in prison mainly under illegal isolation orders the banal humiliations of prison life and theft both material and of reputation should not be described as a hunger strike because Sharmila was force fed: I presume you're a mainland Indian because who else would care. She went on a hunger strike. The response internationally to hunger strikes is either to let them die or to force feed. Force feeding is done either with permission but not consent or without permission and without consent. In the latter case the manner in which force feeding is done is treated as a cruel and unusual punishment. In Sharmila's case as with several other hunger strikers the Indian Government invoked IPC 309 attempt to commit suicide and used either to tie the hunger striker down and feed them by hand holding the mouth open after beating them first to soften them up or they would use naso-gastric intubation. In her case they used naso-gastric intubation. IPC 309 has now been removed so a hunger strike could not now lawfully be stopped in India and would be difficult to maintain for very long before the body consumed itself and the person died of multiple organ failure or survived but with limited brain function. If people understand that she followed the satyagraha tradition of the Mahatma Gandhi offering non-violent non-cooperation and hunger fast to oppose an unjust law then it is accurate. Gandhi-ji was inspired by both eastern and western non-violent opposition to shame the unjust into reconsidering their position. The Irish Poet W B Yeats wrote a play on this form of protest. But if people rely on wiki for their education then confusion most likely will remain. Second your question seems to come from a political and nationalist bias. Political questions cannot be resolve by facts. They are more like religious beliefs. In that sense it is irrelevant what a wiki article states about the campaign to remove the AFSPA from India.
-::Thank you for your prompt response. I agree that alternative POvs belong on WP. Howeverr, the kind of detailed discussion of Manipur's independence movements and the nature of the Act that you wish to include should belong on the [[Manipur]] and Armed Forces Act page, which are linked from this one; the interested reader will follow the links. Please do consider editing there. Thanks, and happy editing! [[User:Hornplease|Hornplease]] 16:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
+== This article has issues with past and present tense ==
+It is obvious from reading this article that most of it was written while the "fast" was still happening. I've tried to edit some occasions where this has happened. But as I'm not familiar with this subject I think it's best to leave for someone to make holistic changes to the article, and reword it reflect that the fast is a historical event.
-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 1:13, 11 December(IST)
-:: A detailed discussion on AFSPA in this article is to answer why Sharmila is fasting. That is not a day's fast for some religious act but a 9 year and ongoing for a cause that pervades terror to more than 2300000 people everyday.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.46.55.31|207.46.55.31]] ([[User talk:207.46.55.31|talk]]) 19:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:::Agreeing with the above opinions, AFSPA has its own detailed page, and internal linking to relevant parts is a better option. I have removed the lengthy discussion from this page and added a See Also to the end of the article. If you have material (not discussions) on AFSPA, please add to the relevant page. If you have material that directly involves IS, please add to this page. If there's any confusion, please solicit advice here, on the talk page. [[User:Nshuks7|Nshuks7]] ([[User talk:Nshuks7|talk]]) 11:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)