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-==A Real Stretch==
-The section on interrogation is a real stretch. In many years of working with both the law enforcement and correctional communities, I have never heard the term 'shill' applied to the practice described or the persons acting in that role - neither by those who would be the practitioners nor by those who would be its 'victims' - accused persons, prisoners, or convicts. [[User:Irish Melkite|Irish Melkite]] ([[User talk:Irish Melkite|talk]]) 13:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
-I whole heartedly agree, the section on interrogation as well as the 'False Flag' Operation Northwood, puppet government and undercover operations pieces are ironically Shills themselves.  It's obvious to me that this site has been infiltrated by a bunch of whacko 911 conspiracy theory trufers... peddling their religion wherever they can insert it as a 'related topic'.  Initials OTS.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.204.55.54|98.204.55.54]] ([[User talk:98.204.55.54|talk]]) 15:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Further potential content ==
-I'm going to draw up a list of well sourced additions to make. I'll be focusing on the state practice of shilling, where there is information available. I will not be making dubious claims as above and instead focusing on allegations and documented fact where available. I may also change the structure of the page. Do people think that it needs a definition vs. history section? With a history section we could list famous examples and this is pretty typical for a word.
-Content I will probably add:
- * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Senor Freebie|Senor Freebie]] ([[User talk:Senor Freebie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Senor Freebie|contribs]]) 23:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
- * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
- * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mass_Appeal
- * Elements of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chaos
- * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Student_Association  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Senor Freebie|Senor Freebie]] ([[User talk:Senor Freebie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Senor Freebie|contribs]]) 15:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
- * Particularly information from this source <nowiki>http://www.nowpublic.com/world/uncovered-british-journalists-who-are-spooks</nowiki>
- * Some of this mans claims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shayler
- * Relation to a false flag operation
- * Relation to a puppet regime, eg. that they often claim to represent their nation but actually represent another power
- * Relation to state sponsored counter-revolutionaries / insurgents? This seems like perhaps a bit of a stretch.
- * More later ... feel free to put stuff into a list for me that you want added.--[[User:Senor Freebie|Senor Freebie]] ([[User talk:Senor Freebie|talk]]) 22:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Journalism ==
-The discussion in this section has some serious POV issues. The tone is dripping with contempt for the US media. Also needs references.[[Special:Contributions/157.182.105.1|157.182.105.1]] ([[User talk:157.182.105.1|talk]]) 20:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
-How would you go about getting a reference for something that no one would ever put in print or put their name to online? (This is a serious question, and one I've wondered often while browsing wikipedia) --[[User:Sephikus|Sephikus]] ([[User talk:Sephikus|talk]]) 22:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
-::I agree with the anon user that first made this comment. I think the words 'plant' and 'stooge' are derisive, not to mention uncited. If they are used, perhaps we should indicate that these 'often called' slang terms do have a derisive connotation. [[User:OR drohowa|OR drohowa]] ([[User talk:OR drohowa|talk]]) 14:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
-== Shills in the justice system ==
-I would like to see a section in this article about [[jurors]] who might be "planted" with the intent to influence the [[verdict]] in a trial. [[Special:Contributions/216.23.185.158|216.23.185.158]] ([[User talk:216.23.185.158|talk]]) 22:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
-: That'd probably be deemed as contempt of court, perverting the course of justice or even perjury. [[User:Mere Mortal|Mere Mortal]] ([[User talk:Mere Mortal|talk]]) 19:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
-== Wikipedia a shill? ==
-Unsurprisingly, I see sites like [http://www.tirnasaor.com/forum/topics/are-there-pro-big-pharma-monsanto-shills-on-wikipedia-you-be-the this] claiming Wikipedia is a shill, with the reason being that Wikipedia is deleting articles it doesn't like or something like that.--[[User:TemplarJLS|TemplarJLS]] ([[User talk:TemplarJLS|talk]]) 05:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
-:Hi there. I think the issue you raise is covered, albeit categorically and not specifically, by the [[Shill#Internet|Internet]] section of this article, and also by the article [[Sockpuppet (Internet)]], which is linked from that section. If you have specific ideas to improve either article, they are welcome. There certainly are Wikipedia editors out there whose contributions are sponsored by companies (see [http://www.ibtimes.com/wikipedia-paid-edits-companies-pay-top-dollar-firms-willing-fix-their-entries-1449172 this article], for example), much like there are on many forums and online communities throughout the Web. You can read more about how this behavior is addressed in the [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest]] guideline. If you feel there have been conflicts of interest in the conduct of certain editors, you'll find information on that page as to how to report and investigate it. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
-== Business "shill" ==
-Regarding {{diff|Shill|646901221|643478177|this edit}}, which was {{diff|Shill|653421004|653180569|repeated recently}}: The issue is not whether the material is factual, or even whether the writing needs improvement. The problem is that the section is entirely unsourced, and I can't independently find any sources that discuss this concept. It also doesn't appear to match the definition of ''shill'', which is "a person who publicly helps a person or organization ''without disclosing'' that they have a close relationship with the person or organization." (emphasis mine) What's described in the passage in question is a person who ''does'' have a public relationship with the person or organization. It certainly sounds like bad-faith business practices, but I don't see the connection to this article. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 18:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
-:I agree with your reversions on that. I have no idea the source of that huge description of a business shill, nor have I heard of any examples. But it looks like the contributor should write a letter to a newspaper or get this onto her blog or something. While this may have happened once or twice, and these folks may be called shills, it hardly seems likely that we need to describe it here in such lurid (and generic) detail. Angelina, if you are watching this, why don't you write a letter to your attorney general or trade commission or board or minister of trade or something. [[User:Uruiamme|I like to saw logs!]] ([[User talk:Uruiamme|talk]]) 18:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)