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Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Can someone please edit this article? It's really poorly written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.178.29.242 (talk) 15:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was move. This is clearly the way to go per WP:PRECISION and WP:NCM. Discussions of potential merge should continue below. Cúchullain ^t/c 18:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) → Sweet Nothing (song) – This is the only song titled Sweet Nothing. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sonic's Rendezvous Band had an album and a song of this name. Cage 9 had a song, Mark Gillespie had an album, but not a song. It won't harm anyone to have Calvin Harris as disambiguator. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Yeah, but their album and song don't even have articles right now. Feel free to make them, though! 68.44.51.49 (talk) 01:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that, and there is a view that if something doesn't have an article en.wp should pretend it doesn't exist. I personally don't share that view, others do. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per IIO, "song" should be redirected to the disambiguation page Sweet Nothings (disambiguation) -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 06:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose.' Little point moving something that has neither references or claims of notability. IMO, for anybody looking for a specific song by a specific artist having the artists' name as part of the title save much searching.--Richhoncho (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I don't see any songs named Sweet Nothing on the disambiguation page except this one. In this case, it's common sense. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And my point was with neither references nor notability I can't see this song notable enough to have an article, let alone a discussion regarding what the article title should be. As an aside, I also opined that it could be better to disambiguate by the artist name in any event, but I don't think there is much point going through that again, now. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:PRECISION. Also the clear primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Calvin Harris discography. The article is very short, has no indepentant references, and it never charted. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Calvin Harris discography. Article fails to meet WP:NSONGS. Now the real option is out, might as well support it.--Richhoncho (talk) 08:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! Sweet Nuthin'? Merge and redirect for now? Dekimasuよ! 05:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (that would be Sweet Nothing), so it needs a qualifier. WP:NCM specifies using (song). We don't pretend that things not on WP don't exist (re In ictu oculi's note), but we also don't pretend that Wikipedia titles need to be aware of all future articles. Merge discussion should be handled via AfD, not RM. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved, and let's refer the above move to move review. Andrewa (talk) 00:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Nothing (song) → Sweet Nothing – The song dwarfs the film in popularity and relevance by miles. Unreal7 (talk) 13:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - too many other "Sweet Nothing" targets on Sweet Nothings dab. There wasn't really a clear consensus for removing the name of artist (~~Calvin Harris~~ song) in the previous RM, I'm not sure if removing (song) is worse or better, probably even worse. This is highly WP:RECENT and only makes life difficult for Calvin Harris fans to hide the song further, let alone anyone else. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it should revert to Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) per other songs on the disambiguation page. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 06:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As iio says, it should be moved back to Calvin Harris. Just a simple count of above RM, 3 opposes, 2 supports and two suggestions of merge and redirect (which should have been counted as a "not move" is enough to prove there is no consensus for further moving. BTW Unreal, why do you want to hide the song from Calvin Harris fans so much? --Richhoncho (talk) 15:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? That's got nothing to do with this. There is only one other article called Sweet Nothing - a stub film which lacks info. Hence why I suggsted this. Unreal7 (talk) 13:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Rushton2010 (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – and a wag of the finger to Cúchullain for inventing a consensus, above, where none existed. Dicklyon (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Move review

I've taken the first step see User talk:Cuchullain#Move review of Sweet Nothing (song). Andrewa (talk) 00:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reaction was not too supportive of the move review, so I've agreed to raise a new RM instead. Andrewa (talk) 13:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 February 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 14:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Nothing (song) → Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) – The discussion of the second RM above strongly suggests to me that the first would not succeed if proposed today, to the point that I think this should be tested. The possibility of a move review was raised with the closer of the first RM, but they have requested for what seem to me to be valid reasons that we go to a fresh RM instead, see above. Andrewa (talk) 13:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support as nom. Andrewa (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - restore to original recognizable WP:TITLE per previous RMs. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support to restore the original unambiguous title. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Thanks to Andrewa for all his work on this.--Richhoncho (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support and redirect the current title to the disambiguation page -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 05:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Sweet Nothing (song) should redirect to the section Sweet Nothings#Songs of the existing DAB. Andrewa (talk) 13:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 17 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved to Sweet Nothing. SST flyer 13:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) → Sweet Nothing (song) – At a recent RFC, it was determined that songs and albums should use the shorter title (disambiguated with "song" instead of "artist song") in cases such as this where there is no other song with that name with a Wikipedia article. Unreal7 (talk) 17:52, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support and further suggest to move this article to Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) → Sweet Nothing. It satisfies the primary topic criteria as the only thing notable on that list in terms of total views. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 19:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Sweet Nothing. There's only one other article in this exact spelling, Sweet Nothing (film), and with 95.1% of the page views,[1] the song is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC between WP:TWODABS. Sweet Nothing (song) would also be a better title per the consensus at the RfC and subsequent RMs.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move as stated 2601:541:4305:C70:A4C7:505D:448:C226 (talk) 22:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 4 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. There seems little reason to hold this one up, looks Uncontroversial. The Taylor Swift song didn't exist get at the time of the previous RM so circumstances have changed. — Amakuru (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Nothing → Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song) – There have been three more songs titled "Sweet Nothing" (the Taylor Swift song and the Gabrielle Aplin song), so the Calvin Harris song is no longer WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Ippantekina (talk) 07:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support see Sweet Nothing (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 08:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 * [[Loaded (The Velvet Underground album)|Oh! Sweet Nuthin']]? Merge and redirect for now? [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 05:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 *'''Support'''. This isn't the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] (that would be [[Sweet Nothing]]), so it needs a qualifier. [[WP:NCM]] specifies using (song). We don't pretend that things not on WP don't exist (re In ictu oculi's note), but we also don't pretend that Wikipedia titles need to be aware of all future articles. Merge discussion should be handled via AfD, not RM. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 10:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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 *'''Oppose''' - [[User:Rushton2010|Rushton2010]] ([[User talk:Rushton2010|talk]]) 23:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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 I've taken the first step see [[User talk:Cuchullain#Move review of Sweet Nothing (song)]]. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 00:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
-Reaction was not too supportive of the Move review, so I've agreed to raise a new RM instead. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
+Reaction was not too supportive of the move review, so I've agreed to raise a new RM instead. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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+The result of the move request was: page '''moved'''. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 14:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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 [[:Sweet Nothing (song)]] → {{no redirect|Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song)}} – The discussion of the second RM above strongly suggests to me that the first would not succeed if proposed today, to the point that I think this should be tested. The possibility of a move review was raised with the closer of the first RM, but they have requested for what seem to me to be valid reasons that we go to a fresh RM instead, see above. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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+*'''Support''' as nom. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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+*'''Support''' - restore to original recognizable [[WP:TITLE]] per previous RMs. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 15:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' to restore the original unambiguous title. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 18:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' per nom. Thanks to [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] for all his work on this.--[[User:Richhoncho|Richhoncho]] ([[User talk:Richhoncho|talk]]) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' and redirect the current title to the disambiguation page -- [[Special:Contributions/70.24.244.161|70.24.244.161]] ([[User talk:70.24.244.161|talk]]) 05:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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+''Sweet Nothing (song)'' should redirect to the section ''[[Sweet Nothings#Songs]]'' of the existing DAB. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 13:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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+The result of the move request was: '''moved''' to [[Sweet Nothing]]. [[User:SSTflyer|<span style="color:Black">SST</span>]][[User talk:SSTflyer|<span style="color:DarkRed">flyer</span>]] 13:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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+[[:Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song)]] → {{no redirect|Sweet Nothing (song)}} – At a [[Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#RfC:_Artist_name_as_disambiguation_regarding_non-notable_song_titles|recent RFC]], it was determined that songs and albums should use the shorter title (disambiguated with "song" instead of "artist song") in cases such as this where there is no other song with that name with a Wikipedia article. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 17:52, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' and further suggest to '''move''' this article to '''[[:Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song)]] → {{no redirect|Sweet Nothing}}'''. It satisfies the [[WP:Primary topic|primary topic]] criteria as the only thing notable on that list in terms of total views. [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 19:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' move to [[Sweet Nothing]]. There's only one other article in this exact spelling, [[Sweet Nothing (film)]], and with 95.1% of the page views,[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-90&pages=Sweet_Nothing_(Calvin_Harris_song)|Sweet_Nothing_(film)] the song is clearly the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] between [[WP:TWODABS]]. [[Sweet Nothing (song)]] would also be a better title per the consensus at the RfC and subsequent RMs.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 18:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' move as stated [[Special:Contributions/2601:541:4305:C70:A4C7:505D:448:C226|2601:541:4305:C70:A4C7:505D:448:C226]] ([[User talk:2601:541:4305:C70:A4C7:505D:448:C226|talk]]) 22:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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+The result of the move request was: '''Moved'''. There seems little reason to hold this one up, looks Uncontroversial. The Taylor Swift song didn't exist get at the time of the previous RM so circumstances have changed.  &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 14:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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+[[:Sweet Nothing]] → {{no redirect|Sweet Nothing (Calvin Harris song)}} – There have been three more songs titled "Sweet Nothing" (the [[Sweet Nothing (Taylor Swift song)|Taylor Swift song]] and the [[Sweet Nothing (Gabrielle Aplin song)|Gabrielle Aplin song]]), so the Calvin Harris song is no longer [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. [[User:Ippantekina|Ippantekina]] ([[User talk:Ippantekina|talk]]) 07:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' see [[Sweet Nothing (disambiguation)]]. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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