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== Intro size ==
== Standardized cites w/ [[WP:CIT|Citation templates]] ==


[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Profit&diff=409825096&oldid=408412124 diff] = this edit by {{user|Laval}} is inappropriate. Per [[WP:LEAD]], the intro/lede should be able to function as a standalone summary of the entire article's contents, including every single subsection of the article. Please, do not do this again without discussion on the talk page. Thank you, -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 23:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
*I standardized all the cites in the article with [[WP:CIT]]. In the future if you add new sources/citations to the article, please use the citation formatting. Thanks. [[User:Curt Wilhelm VonSavage|Curt Wilhelm VonSavage]] 08:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC).
:[[WP:LEAD]] states: [[WP:LEAD|''"The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject should usually be established in the first few sentences."'']] Please make sure to adhere to this. Thanks. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 23:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


== GA Review ==
== actor credits incorrect ==


Mr. Hunt played by Lanny Fuettere, Mrs. Hunt, his wife, not credited, played by Sandra(Sandy) Mitchell not the name listed. Thank you for correcting [[User:Mamahunt1002|Mamahunt1002]] ([[User talk:Mamahunt1002|talk]]) 22:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Comments:
#Is there a precedent for a "Taglines" sections? If there is, please show me an example of a GA/FA that includes it and that will be fine. Otherwise, I don't see why this information needs to be its own Level 2 heading, if present in the article at all (especially since the taglines can be seen in the posters and could easily be incorporated into the prose of the article).
#The plot section should conform to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines#Plot|WP:FILM's plot guidelines]] and should contain far more detail about the events of the film, rather than the general synopsis that is its current state.
#"(taken by some observers to be a parody of L. Ron Hubbard)" (Plot) requires a citation because it looks like [[WP:OR|original research]] in its current state.
#The lead should conform to [[WP:LEAD]], which it comes close to doing, but does not quite satisfy. There is no mention, for example, of the plot in the lead (which will definitely need to be there once the plot section is expanded).
#All one-two sentence paragraphs must either be expanded or merged with surrounding paragraphs, as they cannot stand alone.
#The direct quotes in the "Reception" require citations immediately following them, even if they are contained in the reference at the end of the paragraph.

To allow for these changes to be made, I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 00:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
=== Addressing points from GA review ===
Thanks for doing the GA review, I will address the above points, and note them here, below. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#{{done}} - Removed the '''Taglines''' section, as suggested above. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#Plot expansion - pending. Will address this within the [[Seven Days|seven days allotted]]. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 11:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#{{done}} - Moved a cite to specify/back up the L. Conrad Powers/L. Ron Hubbard comparison in plot section. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#Lead expansion (summarizing plot a bit more). Will address this within seven days. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 11:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#{{done}} - Merged small one/two sentence paragraphs. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
#{{done}} - Added citations after direct quotes in '''Reception''' section. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 11:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC).

Have updated the review accordingly. For the plot section, it can probably be shorter than is standard but, since the film has debuted (at Cannes), there should be some more information on the plot. In any case, just let me know when you want me to take another look at it if you get it done early - otherwise I'll be back once the hold is up and review it given the circumstances. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 15:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
*Okay, will do. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 16:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
**Please give me a teensy bit more time, I've had a lot on my plate but I will try to get on this soon. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 14:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
***No problem. This article is close enough and obviously enough has been done that I have no problem extending the hold. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 00:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this article seems to have become stale after the extended hold. For this reason, I am going to fail the article at this time. As the article is very close to being a Good Article, please let me know when these concerns have been addressed and the article has been renominated, and I will give it a second review immediately, so that you don't have to wait another month. If you feel that this decision is in error, you may take it to [[WP:GAR|good article review]]. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 18:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
*Completely understandable, and I will do just that. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC).

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== Court order ==
Please explain to me how a local judge has the authority to block a film's release nationwide? If it were released outside of [[Pinellas County, Florida]], would that not be completely outside the judge's jurisdiction? [[Special:Contributions/76.123.216.96|76.123.216.96]] ([[User talk:76.123.216.96|talk]]) 02:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
*Not sure exactly, we can only go on what's said in [[WP:V|verifiable]] sources. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 02:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
*Likely it was blocked at the point of entry or distribution, so they couldn't do anything really except appeal which might have been rejected.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 05:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== mentioning leaks of a supressed film ==

How does mention of the fact that this film has been leaked a violation of [[WP:OR]]? [[User:Frotz|Frotz]] ([[User talk:Frotz|talk]]) 02:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:Have you seen any mention of this in a [[WP:RS]]/[[WP:V]] secondary source? [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 03:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
*Is a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irHkXxNJR58 YouTube] video good? Or how about a link to the actual leaked [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6462102BA2D485B8 video] (which may be deleted soon)? --[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 05:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
**Nope. Gotta be mentioned in a [[WP:RS]]/[[WP:V]] secondary source. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 05:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
***No it doesn't, you are wasting your time. This is not a matter of opinion. The film is OUT, for better or worse. [[User:WillOakland|WillOakland]] ([[User talk:WillOakland|talk]]) 06:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
****Yes, it is out, we can acknowledge that here on the talk page, sure. But unless that is mentioned in a [[WP:RS]]/[[WP:V]] secondary source, that info cannot be added into this article - it is an obvious violation of [[WP:OR]] - Unless you can explain to me how that would not be the case? [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, I've changed my citation to something at [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Banned_film_'The_Profit'_appears_on_Web wikinews.org]. Given that it has been marked as ready for publication, I presume that it's okay to cite it here. [[User:Frotz|Frotz]] ([[User talk:Frotz|talk]]) 07:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::Please see my reply on your talk page. ''Wikinews'' is not acceptable to be used as a source on Wikipedia in such a manner. The only thing that ''Wikinews'' has gained even a small amount of traction for source usage on Wikipedia, would be for citing direct interviews done by editors on Wikinews. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 07:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Right. And for the rest of you, I've had a discussion with Cirt here about how to mention this new development. He suggests that we wait until some major news source picks up on this and THEN cite one of those. I have therefore reverted all my tinkering with this article including the very mention of the leak. Cirt has stated that he will do this himself. I'll just back off now. [[User:Frotz|Frotz]] ([[User talk:Frotz|talk]]) 07:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Thank you very much. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 07:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

==Mention of leak to the internet==

Personally I think the fact that it was leaked to the internet AND is barred from distribution is noteworthy. Thoughts? [[User:Hohohahaha|Hohohahaha]] ([[User talk:Hohohahaha|talk]]) 20:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:It may not have been notable before, but the letter from Bob Minton's attorney to Luke Lirot of ''The Profit'' makes it noteworthy - and even though that is a primary source, it is good enough simply to attest that the letter happened. I'll put that in there soon. [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

::I have already put it in, an anon IP keeps removing it. [[User:Hohohahaha|Hohohahaha]] ([[User talk:Hohohahaha|talk]]) 21:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is great, two obviously biased editors (Cirt has written [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Banned_film_%27The_Profit%27_appears_on_Web]) trying to argue their point. Weak. --[[Special:Contributions/81.227.71.199|81.227.71.199]] ([[User talk:81.227.71.199|talk]]) 02:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:57, 27 February 2024

Former good article nomineeThe Profit (film) was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 22, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed

Intro size

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diff = this edit by Laval (talk · contribs) is inappropriate. Per WP:LEAD, the intro/lede should be able to function as a standalone summary of the entire article's contents, including every single subsection of the article. Please, do not do this again without discussion on the talk page. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LEAD states: "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject should usually be established in the first few sentences." Please make sure to adhere to this. Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 23:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

actor credits incorrect

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Mr. Hunt played by Lanny Fuettere, Mrs. Hunt, his wife, not credited, played by Sandra(Sandy) Mitchell not the name listed. Thank you for correcting Mamahunt1002 (talk) 22:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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