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frequency of certain causes of death

Hi! I think the article should describe in more detail, what the effects of a smoke detector are. Because: It looks like there were never so many final falls and terminal smoke intoxications as now (after they all have a smoke detector in their bedroom in F.Rep.Germany...)... Does anybody know some scientific studies? Thx. Bye. -- 2020-08-27T07:32:23UTC //forgot to sign... Homer Landskirty (talk) 14:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Erwin Sick

Apparently Erwin Sick is given credit for the first smoke detector, but not much has been written about it. Any more detailed information? "In 1956, Sick is granted the second patent for a new type of photoelectric retro-reflective sensor, followed in 1958 by the patent for the first smoke detection device in the world." ^[1] Rhynchosaur (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TL:DR not relevant to the article-

This seems to be the original patent it is more of a security sensor (Photoelectric sensors | Reflex Array | SICK) used in industry production than a fire alarm product. Here is about there history on their own site: SICK's company history | SICK Fackbok.se (talk) 20:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Sensors, Sick celebrates 70 years

Added discussion of radiation

Added sections on radiation in and disposal of ionization smoke detectors, which are generally being replaced by photo-electric smoke detectors.

Officials at the US Department of Energy provided references to documents published by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission that report on studies of Ionization smoke detectors done in about 1978 and 2001. They also provided links to a backgrounder by the NRC and another backgrounder by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Bruce Esrig (talk) 09:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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SMOKE DETECTORS VS SMOKE ALARMS

A smoke detector by definition only senses or detects. It has no audible or visual output. Detectors are used in fire alarm systems that have a control panel which the detector sends a signal to when it detects smoke, a heat rise or other material it is designed to sense. It is useless in almost all home applications. Smoke alarms are designed to both sense AND give off an audible and/or visual output such as a high db alarm, a strobe light or voice. Smoke alarms are what are used in single family homes or residences that are not required to have a fire alarm system. Umpyprof (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name "Smoke Detector" is commonly used to describe a combined detector+alarm and in normal use means the same as "Smoke Alarm". I am sure that pure detectors without any alarm function exist but this does not mean that the item known as as Smoke Detector "has no audible or visual output". Mtpaley (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might have a point though on the order of redirect. Currently "Smoke Alarm" redirects to "Smoke Detector" and this article is clearly written with a domestic smoke alarm in mind. It might make more sense to reverse this and make smoke detector redirect to smoke alarm which is renamed from the current smoke detector page. Mtpaley (talk) 01:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have ever taken or taught a fire alarm system course as I have, one of the first things you learn is that a smoke detector is not the same as a smoke alarm and using the terms interchangably may be a serious mistake, especially to those who are not familiar with the subject. In fact the subject comparing detectors to alarms is on provincial licencing exams for those who wish to work on fire alarm systems. If you are going to use technical terminology, use it correctly. If you want to continue to use the 2 terms synonymously go right ahead and hope you never give someone the wrong information. I'm not going to reply again. Any person who reads my post will certainly get my point. Umpyprof (talk) 02:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very few, if any, persons that are licensed to work on fire alarm systems are also inclined to edit Wikipedia. Your expertise in the area would be greatly appreciated as there is a deficiency in a lot of the fire safety material on this site, as evidenced by the inaccurate terminology used here in favor of the "more common" name. Recon rabbit 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Does anybody know some scientific studies?
 Thx. Bye. -- 2020-08-27T07:32:23UTC //forgot to sign... [[User:Homer Landskirty|Homer Landskirty]] ([[User talk:Homer Landskirty|talk]]) 14:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
-== Problems in History ==
-I'm adding a Multiple Issues banner for the History section.  The two kinds of issues are entangled, and not simple to resolve.  Any assistance would be welcome.
-I focus on three quotes from the section, preceded by paragraph number (within History):
-para. 2: The first low-cost smoke detector for domestic use was developed by Duane D. Pearsall with Stanley Bennett Peterson in 1965, an individual replaceable battery-powered unit that could be easily installed.
-para. 3: The first single-station smoke detector was invented in 1970 and made public the next year.
-para. 4: The photoelectric (optical) smoke detector was invented by Donald Steele and Robert Emmark of Electro Signal Lab and patented in 1972.
-The Pearsall/Peterson detector (para. 2) seems very clearly to have been single-station smoke alarm, so the statement from para 3 cannot also be true.
-However, a simple copy edit to reconcile these claims is not sufficient, because of factual problems.
-I recall from personal contact that Richard R. Saltzgaber (1917-2007) began the design, manufacture and sale of single-station photoelectric smoke alarms for home use in the early 1960s.  In 1968, he formed a Florida corporation, Aljenik Industries, for the conduct of this business.
-On the basis of my knowledge,
-(a) Saltzgaber may have been manufacturing single-station smoke alarms for home use before 1965, and
-(b) certainly was manufacturing photoelectric smoke alarms years before the Steele/Emmark patent cited in para. 4.
-Accordingly, I understand at least two of the quoted statements to be incorrect, and likely all three.
-Unfortunately, documenting the Saltzgaber/Aljenik history may be very difficult; I certainly don't have references I can cite at this time.
-I recall that it was a turning point for his business when Richard's smoke alarms were carried by two large shop/mail-order chains, greatly increasing the volume of sales (which was never very great).  I recall for sure that one of those was Montgomery Ward; the other might have been Sears.
-If anyone has resources to search catalogs from the 1960s, it could help to provide a reference.
-[[User:Etudiant~enwiki|Etudiant~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Etudiant~enwiki|talk]]) 20:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
-== Prioritize consumer and photoelectric ==
-I'm starting a sequence of edits to prioritize information about consumer smoke detectors and consumer use cases. This is based on a belief that the primary users of Wikipedia are members of the general public rather than professionals who purchase or install commercial equipment such as commercial smoke detectors.
-The driver for this is to make it easier to find objective information about purchasing and especially disposing of smoke detectors in the United States.
-The plan is to move information about commercial-grade smoke detectors down while preserving that content, and to elevate use cases compared with specifications.
-[[User:Bruce Esrig|Bruce Esrig]] ([[User talk:Bruce Esrig|talk]]) 14:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 ==Erwin Sick==
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 :You might have a point though on the order of redirect.  Currently "Smoke Alarm" redirects to "Smoke Detector" and this article is clearly written with a domestic smoke alarm in mind.  It might make more sense to reverse this and make smoke detector redirect to smoke alarm which is renamed from the current smoke detector page. [[User:Mtpaley|Mtpaley]] ([[User talk:Mtpaley|talk]]) 01:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 ::If you have ever taken or taught a fire alarm system course as I have, one of the first things you learn is that a smoke detector is not the same as a smoke alarm and using the terms interchangably may be a serious mistake, especially to those who are not familiar with the subject. In fact the subject comparing detectors to alarms is on provincial licencing exams for those who wish to work on fire alarm systems. If you are going to use technical terminology, use it correctly. If you want to continue to use the 2 terms synonymously go right ahead and hope you never give someone the wrong information. I'm not going to reply again. Any person who reads my post will certainly get my point. [[User:Umpyprof|Umpyprof]] ([[User talk:Umpyprof|talk]]) 02:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
+:::Very few, if any, persons that are licensed to work on fire alarm systems are also inclined to edit Wikipedia. Your expertise in the area would be greatly appreciated as there is a deficiency in a lot of the fire safety material on this site, as evidenced by the inaccurate terminology used here in favor of the "more common" name. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)