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The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rocky Horror (Remake)

Film that has yet to be cast, much less started principal photography. WP:NFF and WP:CRYSTAL. Delete Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or merge with The Rocky Horror Picture Show as unsourced artcle Fails WP:Crystal and WP:NFF. The rumour as reported in Variety has a lot of supposition, but no declarable fact. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Announced as of 13 August 2008, due hopefully in 2009. Essentially a news-release style duplication of Rocky Horror Picture Show#Remake minus any references. Nothing worth merging. • Gene93k (talk) 08:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing WP:RS and WP:CRYSTAL. The article can be recreated if the project begins filming (and I hope it doesn't!) -- JediLofty ^User_Talk 10:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. This article really needs to be kept, as there is much speculation about the film floating around the internet. Fans of the original (& other people) won't know what's truth and what isn't. This article is where people can turn to for truth and unbiased info. In the coming months their will be much more information around the film & I don't think the Rocky Horror Picture Show page will house all that info. Anyway filming is due to start soon, so it makes sense to keep the article. Dirtyharry1994 (talk) 11:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC) 7:17pm, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- We can spin a remake article out from the main Rocky Horror page when the shooting starts, not before. This film does not have a director or a cast yet and the October 2009 release date is aspirational. It's a long way from announcement to actual shooting and many many more film projects fail to shoot than succeed. Wikipedia should be a tertiary source of WP:verifiable facts published elsewhere. The established article neatly contains all of that now. As for overload, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. • Gene93k (talk) 12:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I don't believe they even have a cast yet. There are a lot of things that can prevent the movie from being made. Perhaps there should be a list page for would-be notable films that get canceled. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 12:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Far too early for a standalone article. WP:CRYSTAL violation.Kww (talk) 13:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Gene: This fails WP:NFF and WP:CRYSTAL, and there's nothing here that isn't already at Rocky Horror Picture Show#Remake. Cliff smith ^talk 15:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete fails wp:nff. Jessi1989 (talk) 17:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete, with no verifiable sources... welcome back when it doesn't fail NFF & CRYSTAL. SkierRMH (talk) 04:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Most of the sources I can find are from Rocky Horror fans like myself who are furious that anyone would ever plan on ever making a remake of a movie which we love so dearly (G4TV, Ain't It Cool News, etc.) but that's it. The movie hasn't even entered production or casting yet. Let's keep as a section in the Rocky Horror Picture Show article until the project actually starts. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 15:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge - The controversy over Richard O'Brien's involvement makes this notable enough? Maybe the relevant info could be merged into the original film article in a "remake" section but looks like more than enough material here. QmunkE (talk) 08:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article's verifiable content is a just-added near word-for-word copy from the main Rocky Horror article. There's not much if anything to merge back. The "Oh, Really?" and "That's unfortunate." reactions are not enough to justify a separate article. • Gene93k (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Film that has yet to be cast, much less started principal photography.  [[WP:NFF]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL]].  '''Delete''' [[User:Mr. Vernon|Mr. Vernon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Vernon|talk]]) 05:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]].  </small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 07:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)</small>
-*'''Delete, or merge''' with [[The Rocky Horror Picture Show]] as unsourced artcle Fails [[WP:Crystal]] and [[WP:NFF]]. The rumour as reported in [http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989391.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 Variety] has a lot of supposition, but no declarable fact. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 08:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Delete, or merge''' with [[The Rocky Horror Picture Show]] as unsourced artcle Fails [[WP:Crystal]] and [[WP:NFF]]. The rumour as reported in [http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989391.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 Variety] has a lot of supposition, but no declarable fact. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<span style="color:blue;">Schmidt,</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 08:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' per nom. Announced as of 13 August 2008, due <u>hopefully</u> in 2009. Essentially a news-release style duplication of [[Rocky Horror Picture Show#Remake]] minus any references. Nothing worth merging. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 08:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' for failing [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL]].  The article can be recreated if the project begins filming (and I hope it doesn't!) --  JediLofty <sup>[[User:JediLofty|User]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:JediLofty|Talk]]</sub> 10:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Strong keep'''. This article really needs to be kept, as there is much speculation about the film floating around the internet. Fans of the original (& other people) won't know what's truth and what isn't. This article is where people can turn to for truth and unbiased info. In the coming months their will be much more information around the film & I don't think the [[Rocky Horror Picture Show]] page will house all that info. Anyway filming is due to start soon, so it makes sense to keep the article. [[User:Dirtyharry1994|Dirtyharry1994]] ([[User talk:Dirtyharry1994|talk]]) 11:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC) 7:17pm, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
-**We can spin a remake article out from the main Rocky Horror page <u>when the shooting starts</s>, not before. This film does not have a director or a cast yet and the October 2009 release date is aspirational. It's a long way from announcement to actual shooting and many many more film projects fail to shoot than succeed. Wikipedia should be a tertiary source of '''[[WP:verifiable]]''' facts published elsewhere. The established article neatly contains all of that now. As for overload, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 12:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
+**We can spin a remake article out from the main Rocky Horror page <u>when the shooting starts</u>, not before. This film does not have a director or a cast yet and the October 2009 release date is aspirational. It's a long way from announcement to actual shooting and many many more film projects fail to shoot than succeed. Wikipedia should be a tertiary source of '''[[WP:verifiable]]''' facts published elsewhere. The established article neatly contains all of that now. As for overload, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 12:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 ***'''Comment''' I don't believe they even have a cast yet.  There are a lot of things that can prevent the movie from being made.  Perhaps there should be a list page for would-be notable films that get canceled. --[[User:Mr. Vernon|Mr. Vernon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Vernon|talk]]) 12:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' Far too early for a standalone article. [[WP:CRYSTAL]] violation.[[User:Kww|Kww]] ([[User talk:Kww|talk]]) 13:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nom and Gene: This fails [[WP:NFF]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL]], and there's nothing here that isn't already at [[Rocky Horror Picture Show#Remake]]. [[User:Cliff smith|<font color="blue">'''<font face="georgia">Cliff''' smith</font></font>]] [[User talk:Cliff smith|''<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>'']] 15:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per nom and Gene: This fails [[WP:NFF]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL]], and there's nothing here that isn't already at [[Rocky Horror Picture Show#Remake]]. [[User:Cliff smith|<span style="color:blue;font-family:georgia;">'''Cliff''' smith</span>]] [[User talk:Cliff smith|''<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>'']] 15:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 *'''delete''' fails [[wp:nff]]. [[User:Jessi1989|Jessi1989]] ([[User talk:Jessi1989|talk]]) 17:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
+*'''delete''', with no verifiable sources... welcome back when it doesn't fail NFF & CRYSTAL. [[User:SkierRMH|<span style="color:ForestGreen">SkierRMH</span>]] ([[User_talk:SkierRMH|<span style="color:SaddleBrown">talk</span>]]) 04:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' Most of the sources I can find are from ''Rocky Horror'' fans like myself who are furious that anyone would ever plan on ever making a remake of a movie which we love so dearly (G4TV, Ain't It Cool News, etc.) but that's it. The movie hasn't even entered production or casting yet. Let's keep as a section in the [[Rocky Horror Picture Show]] article until the project actually starts. [[User:Doc Strange| Doc Strange]]<sup>[[User talk:Doc Strange|Mailbox]]</sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Doc Strange|Logbook]]</small> 15:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep or Merge''' - The controversy over Richard O'Brien's involvement makes this notable enough? Maybe the relevant info could be merged into the original film article in a "remake" section but looks like more than enough material here. [[User:QmunkE|QmunkE]] ([[User talk:QmunkE|talk]]) 08:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
+**The article's verifiable content is a just-added near word-for-word copy from the main Rocky Horror article. There's not much if anything to merge back. The "Oh, Really?" and "That's unfortunate." reactions are not enough to justify a separate article. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 10:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
+:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page.'' <!--Template:Afd bottom--></div>