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I removed mentioning of "Sydnayaska Krueger" - absent in the ref cited. Could not confirm from independent sources. - Altenmann [[user talk:Altenmann|>t]] |
I removed mentioning of "Sydnayaska Krueger" - absent in the ref cited. Could not confirm from independent sources. - Altenmann [[user talk:Altenmann|>t]] |
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… is incorrect. Short open [a] at the end like in other ''-a'' nouns. One source: https://svenska.se/tre/?sok=vodka&pz=2. [[Special:Contributions/151.177.58.208|151.177.58.208]] ([[User talk:151.177.58.208|talk]]) 19:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
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'The exact production methods were described in 1768 by Jan Paweł Biretowski and in 1774 by Jan Chryzostom Pasek.' Jan Chryzostom Pasek died in 1701. There seems to be some kind of a mix-up. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.73.123.74|89.73.123.74]] ([[User talk:89.73.123.74|talk]]) 09:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I agree. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:41grtlks|41grtlks]] ([[User talk:41grtlks#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/41grtlks|contribs]]) 18:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::This should have been noted earlier. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:41grtlks|41grtlks]] ([[User talk:41grtlks#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/41grtlks|contribs]]) 18:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Vodka article is wrong it originated from Poland Finland, russia and Sweden [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:9954:D0:8A0:7733:FBBA:C440|2600:1700:9954:D0:8A0:7733:FBBA:C440]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:9954:D0:8A0:7733:FBBA:C440|talk]]) 03:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Place of origin reference == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2023 == |
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The very first reference (right under the opening image) to "Oxford Dictionaries" website actually states that vodka's place of origin is Russia. However it says Poland in the article. Since subject's place of origin is an ongoing debate we should probably remove "place of origin" information from the top of the article or change it to Russia (since that's what reference says). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/5.3.202.224|5.3.202.224]] ([[User talk:5.3.202.224#top|talk]]) 21:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Second reference is not a reliable source, leaving Poland as the oldest recorded origin [[User:Seerofrtruth|Seerofrtruth]] ([[User talk:Seerofrtruth|talk]]) 10:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC) |
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Please remove the italics from the term “freezer chilled” in the lead; there does not appear to be any reason per [[MOS:ITALICS]] to use it here. [[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.250|151.132.206.250]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.250|talk]]) 20:33, 27 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Lightoil|Lightoil]] ([[User talk:Lightoil|talk]]) 09:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Finnish vodka history missing == |
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Finland being part of sweden and later part of russia belongs to the list of vodka countries. It was a common way for farms to make extra money by producing Viina (similar to brännvin) from potatoes. The finnish Market leader Finlandia Vodka came on 1970. Home production of Viina was actually forbidden on 1772 in Finland to save potatoes as food. And 1775 Swedish King Gustav III ordered state production to begin. I think finnish history is worthwhile a mention probably underneath the swedish history section as Finland was not an indipendent country at the time. [[Special:Contributions/91.152.220.211|91.152.220.211]] ([[User talk:91.152.220.211|talk]]) 15:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC) |
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When you try to label editings as something, look better at your actions first and than talk again. When you are on Wikipedia and have respect to culture, you better be more objective and don't try to push hard into a corner which represents only a fragment of many. |
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Anyone who tries here to make Russia's role smaller as it is, clearly ignores Russia's connection to the vodka brand and the perception worldwide. In fact you trie to manipulate the global perception and try to unlink it from Russia more to the west (Poland). And it's done here in a very exaggerated way which is not tolerable. If you do not like the editings, then you should become more sensitive and give the theme more respect.--[[Special:Contributions/85.212.110.65|85.212.110.65]] ([[User talk:85.212.110.65|talk]]) 08:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:I'd advise you to actually read the article references and the talk page archives. Maybe you'd be surprised to find out what you thought you knew is actually wrong. I know I was when I read them. Wikipedia is not here to reinforce your preconceptions. PS, I don't like vodka anyway. I'm a bourbon guy. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 20:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC) |
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== théophile gautier in etymology section == |
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so your viewpoint is that this article should be not really objective, but should be viewed from a western viewpoint ? that's how it sounds to me ! why ? because it's a attempt to minimize Russias role in vodka history and also the manipulation of worldwide actual perception. it's also not only about sources. btw there are many different sources and they are even proof that this article is even less objective - keyword: medicine and another term for alcohol in poland, but that's another point. but now let's talk about more than sources. the picture with Russian vodka for example should be placed very high considering Russias role in vodka popularization and that has nothing to do with sources at all. |
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the date given for his "grain liquor" comment is given in the text, and the reference, as 1800 - he was born in 1811, and the correct year is 1867. [[Special:Contributions/88.98.93.176|88.98.93.176]] ([[User talk:88.98.93.176|talk]]) 12:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC) |
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i think the solution could be to make two different articles then, one for polish vodka ( btw present vodka was not called vodka back then in poland ) and one Russian vodka. this article takes the old russian term for alcohol - vodka - but places another claimant in a exaggerated way on the top. when you really think that this is ok, then i think you don't understand this subject and also the picture behind it. people are very aware of such things. in general the western world and wikipedia has a long way to go to even understand that there exist other viewpoints in the world, in Russia, in Islam, in Asia. what i've seen in behavior is that this article is not even ready to make it even a little more objectively. just wow about that. sharing means being more modest --[[Special:Contributions/85.212.208.174|85.212.208.174]] ([[User talk:85.212.208.174|talk]]) 12:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC) |
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For the benefit of chemically oriented readers, the article should say what the percentages by volume mean in terms of percentage by mass (weight). --[[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] ([[User talk:Jorge Stolfi|talk]]) 14:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC) |
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To the "Boycott" section, the following ref can be added to show that a similar removal from the shelves of major supermarkets has happened in the United Kingdom: |
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:I would argue that that would be trivial, as distilled spirits are universally (and legally) defined in terms of alcohol by volume. The percentage by weight doesn't factor into it. It might be interesting to know, but it's not a chemistry article, so it's not important enough to include. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC) |
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https://drinksretailingnews.co.uk/retailers-remove-russian-standard-vodka-from-shelves/ |
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[[Special:Contributions/155.190.13.13|155.190.13.13]] ([[User talk:155.190.13.13|talk]]) 05:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> — [[User:FenrisAureus|<span style="color:#f18">'''''FenrisAureus '''''▲ <span style="font-size:75%">'''''(she/they)'''''</span></span>]] ([[User talk:FenrisAureus|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]) 14:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Dubious EB ref
[edit]I removed mentioning of "Sydnayaska Krueger" - absent in the ref cited. Could not confirm from independent sources. - Altenmann >t
Swedish pronunciation
[edit]… is incorrect. Short open [a] at the end like in other -a nouns. One source: https://svenska.se/tre/?sok=vodka&pz=2. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Vodka article is wrong it originated from Poland Finland, russia and Sweden 2600:1700:9954:D0:8A0:7733:FBBA:C440 (talk) 03:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the italics from the term “freezer chilled” in the lead; there does not appear to be any reason per MOS:ITALICS to use it here. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 20:33, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Finnish vodka history missing
[edit]Finland being part of sweden and later part of russia belongs to the list of vodka countries. It was a common way for farms to make extra money by producing Viina (similar to brännvin) from potatoes. The finnish Market leader Finlandia Vodka came on 1970. Home production of Viina was actually forbidden on 1772 in Finland to save potatoes as food. And 1775 Swedish King Gustav III ordered state production to begin. I think finnish history is worthwhile a mention probably underneath the swedish history section as Finland was not an indipendent country at the time. 91.152.220.211 (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
théophile gautier in etymology section
[edit]the date given for his "grain liquor" comment is given in the text, and the reference, as 1800 - he was born in 1811, and the correct year is 1867. 88.98.93.176 (talk) 12:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Addition to "Boycott" section
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To the "Boycott" section, the following ref can be added to show that a similar removal from the shelves of major supermarkets has happened in the United Kingdom: https://drinksretailingnews.co.uk/retailers-remove-russian-standard-vodka-from-shelves/ 155.190.13.13 (talk) 05:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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