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==Date of birth==
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As sources are divided on which day he was born, it behoves us to show both dates (as the ANB does). Koplimek, I hope you agree? - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 20:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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:Doesn't it defy logic for him to be born one day after his original birth certificate was issued on February 14? [[User:OscarLake|<b><font color="blue">O</font><font color="black">s</font><font color="blue">c</font><font color="black">a</font><font color="blue">r</font><font color="black">L</font></b>]] 16:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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::Not necessarily. From memory I seem to remember he was born at home (although I will have to check that), so the birth could have been reported to the hospital the next day (or a check up at the hospital the next day too). Either way, the sources are split and the most reliable ones show both dates, so we follow suit. – [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 16:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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How can info on a birth certificate be wrong? It would seem aas the most definitive proof there is. I think we should stick to February 14 but mention in a footnote that Barrymore family bible says the 15th. [[User:DrKilleMoff|DrKilleMoff]] ([[User talk:DrKilleMoff|talk]]) 23:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

:*As the sources report two dates, so do we, for all the reasons above. – [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 23:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

==Article expansion==
A small project is on to expand this article into something more suitable for the subject. I plan to add new material and expand or replace some existing material. This may take place over a few weeks or even months and I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who has any useful information of sources that may be of use. Many thanks. – [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 12:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
:On the most I generally like your restructuring. Only thing too much deletion of external links and as I might have mentioned somewhere before, be wary of quoting John Kobler. A glaring mistake Kobler makes is when he states that Diana's seventh birthday was August 5, 1927.[August 5 1920 was the day her parents married.] Diana was born March 3, 1921 and would have been six years old in 1927. I remember reading Kobler's book over 20 years ago and it was good read. Now that more accurate material has surfaced, some of Kobler's info has to be taken with a grain of salt. Not all but some. Martin Norden's 1995 is a far more accurate source concerning Jack's career. For instance, the actor [[John Emery (actor)|John Emery]] was jokingly said to be Barrymore's illegitimate son by Emery's wife [[Tallulah Bankhead]] because of 'resemblence'. What Norden tells us is that Emery as a child had actually room-and-board with Barrymore and his first wife Katharine Corri. But SchroCat, I must commend you for your efforts in particular some familiar Barrymore photos uploaded to Commons. Peace, Good Luck. [[User:Koplimek|Koplimek]] ([[User talk:Koplimek|talk]]) 23:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks Komplimek. I agree entirely about Kobler - it's not just the slightly patchy dates he has, but his entire aim was "to put Barrymore back on the pedestal", so he glosses over a lot of Barrymore's actions if he doesn't like them. He is good for quotes and a number of other bits, and he is in line with Norden Morrison and Peters on a number of key points. In terms of the links, I've tried to keep in line with [[WP:ELNO]] as much as possible, although I may have been a bit too harsh with one or two (although there were also a couple of deadlinks in there too!)
::There is still a bit to do, and I'm working on the press reaction, his legacy and then his portrayals by others before I re-work the lead. That should just about cover it all, and I'll take it to PR and FAC after I've proof read the final thing four or five more times. Cheers - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 10:13, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

== Family tree for any other article it might be useful for ==
Since the tree does not have a consensus for inclusion here I have created the template to easily use and share it on other pages that might be edited by editors here. [[Template:Barrymore family tree]].--[[User:Mark Miller|Mark Miller]] ([[User talk:Mark Miller|talk]]) 12:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

:I agree that the tree is not appropriate for this article. There is already a (more extensive?) family tree in the [[Barrymore family]] article, but it would be better with a more compact formatting. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 16:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks but I am not asking for it to be used here. The consensus on the FAC is clearly to exclude the tree, but there was also interest in it so I made a template and wanted to let editors know it was available if they edit the other article it was suggested were more appropriate.--[[User:Mark Miller|Mark Miller]] ([[User talk:Mark Miller|talk]]) 19:51, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Family tree issues notwithstanding, is there some reason why there is no link from this article to [[Barrymore family]]? Seems a shame to leave just the category for readers to find. — [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 01:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::::It's there in the second sentence of the lead, and the first paragraph of the "Early life" section, although piped on both mentions. Cheers - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 15:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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