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Lyndaredington (talk · contribs) This user has contributed to the article. ("Edits provided by representatives of The Body Shop")

the "original" 'Body Shop' vs 'The Body Shop'

What is the reference to an entirely separate US-based business doing in this article? A business named 'Body Shop' is referenced and occupies the entire first paragraph of the 'History' segment seemingly for purposes of diminishing the vision and efforts of Anita Roddick. That is how it reads. Roddick's business was always called 'The Body Shop'. Why the need for the intimation of plagiarism? Propose the removal of this paragraph on grounds of irrelevancy / conflation. 2A00:23C7:3108:4D01:9DBA:7FA6:341E:E2A9 (talk) 17:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for mentioning that other Body Shop, as far as I understand it, is explained later in the article: "In 1987, Roddick offered $3.5 million to the owners of the original Body Shop, Peggy Short and Jane Saunders, for the exclusive rights to the brand name. They agreed to the sale..." I was initially inclined to remove the "entire first paragraph" (it's just one sentence, let's not exaggerate), but then I read the rest of the History section and changed my mind.

"Seemingly for purposes of diminishing..." nothing of the sort is suggested in the article, so that is purely your own conjecture. Please try to be a little more impartial in your evaluation of the issue. There is certainly no intimation of plagiarism—again, I think you are overreacting. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Founding ==
+== the "original" 'Body Shop' vs 'The Body Shop' ==
-I know little about the company but its founding is really vague and seems to be lifted from generic Entrepreneurship case study material.
-A Financial Times interview with Gordon Roddick (https://www.ft.com/content/7600fac6-c581-11de-9b3b-00144feab49a) gives the impression that it was co-founded by Anita AND him as well as Ian McGlynn (at least as financial pertners). Does anyone have better sources?
+What is the reference to an entirely separate US-based business doing in this article? A business named 'Body Shop' is referenced and occupies the entire first paragraph of the 'History' segment ''seemingly'' for purposes of diminishing the vision and efforts of Anita Roddick. That is how it reads.
- [[Special:Contributions/94.196.195.158|94.196.195.158]] ([[User talk:94.196.195.158|talk]]) 09:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
+Roddick's business was always called 'The Body Shop'. Why the need for the intimation of plagiarism?
+Propose the removal of this paragraph on grounds of irrelevancy / conflation. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:3108:4D01:9DBA:7FA6:341E:E2A9|2A00:23C7:3108:4D01:9DBA:7FA6:341E:E2A9]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:3108:4D01:9DBA:7FA6:341E:E2A9|talk]]) 17:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
-== Impartiality of tone ==
+:The reason for mentioning that other Body Shop, as far as I understand it, is explained later in the article: "In 1987, Roddick offered $3.5 million to the owners of the original Body Shop, Peggy Short and Jane Saunders, for the exclusive rights to the brand name. They agreed to the sale..." I was initially inclined to remove the "entire first paragraph" (it's just one sentence, let's not exaggerate), but then I read the rest of the History section and changed my mind.
+:"Seemingly for purposes of diminishing..." nothing of the sort is suggested in the article, so that is purely your own conjecture. Please try to be a little more impartial in your evaluation of the issue. There is certainly no intimation of plagiarism—again, I think you are overreacting. [[User:Revirvlkodlaku|Revirvlkodlaku]] ([[User talk:Revirvlkodlaku|talk]]) 01:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-This article has some genuinely good material, but some sections are not the most impartial, and quality here is kinda wobbly in places. For instance:
-- some poorly-added citations - just plain broken formatting, and overuse on one sentence in the Community Trade section
-- tone that would lend itself real nicely to a press release - perhaps submit this to the company itself and don't add it to Wikipedia
-- a long, fluffy social activism section that's a bit too encyclopedic in tone and content
-- an oddly tabled 'International expansion' section that could honestly just be written, not a table, or pieced off into separate existing sections, tbh
-- a 'Products' section that's just. it's just advertising, honestly, this section is just advertising. The accompanying picture is nice, but in the context of being next to this section, it's a little 'hey come buy from us'
-- the 'Controversies' section is chunky and needs re-writing
-I've re-written the 'History' section already, but it needs more citations, too. I implore whoever's following this article to please go back, whenever you've got the time, and look through all the sources used - two of the ones in the old 'Origins' section were dead and useless, and another was just a sycophantic obituary I think I got diabetes from looking at for too long.
-Have a look and decide just how good they are, and whether they're quality enough to be included here. We are the first site people come to when they want to learn about a thing: at the minute, we're just giving off wonky info. This article could be great! It just needs some TLC. --[[User:Ineffablebookkeeper|Ineffablebookkeeper]] ([[User talk:Ineffablebookkeeper|talk]]) 23:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
-== article really needs more citations ==
-This article contains many un-cited statements.
-Wikipedia's verifiability policy ([[WP:VERIFY]]) states:
-:Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations.
-- [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000|2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000|talk]]) 02:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)