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==So-called copyright violation==
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A user who failed to login, and thus identify him or herself leaving only IP addresses assigned to Earthlink, first claimed a lack of references and then labelled the previous version of this article a possible copyright violation. Before realizing that the user's objections were nonsense and that a user on that IP address had been cited for bogus edits, I rewrote the article so as to avoid any possible appearance of such a violation, relying on a number of academic articles including Drs. Coppinger at Hampshire College, the preeminent experts on livestock guarding dogs, as well as articles in Italian about this fabulous dog. i am personally quite familiar with this breed seeing them quite often in Abruzzo guarding their flocks of sheep.[[User:MGerety|MGerety]] 03:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
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==Breed name: Maremmano-Abruzzese==

Lorna Coppinger and Raymond Coppinger, the biologists who are the preeminent experts on Livestock Guarding Dogs describe the "breed" (a term the Coppingers question) as the Italian "Maremmano-Abruzzese " in their book "Dogs: A New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior and Evolution (2002), University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226115631. The Maremmano-Abruzzese being one of five or six dogs types involved in annual sheep migrations from highlands to lowlands common in many parts of the world. Should this article be titled "Maremmano-Abruzzese"? The Coppingers find that there is no valid distinction between dogs from the Tuscan Marremma and those from Abruzzo. [[User:MGerety|MGerety]] 16:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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== Merge discussion: Abruzzese mastiff ==
{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was '''merge'''. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 01:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)}}
I've suggested merging [[Abruzzese Mastiff]] here. While I respect and indeed partially agree with the arguments of the separatists who resent the fusion of the Maremmano and Abruzzese strains, the fact remains that they have been a single breed since 1958, the Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese. The "Mastino Abruzzese" is now just another name for the same dog. There is no breed of that name, and no dog can be registered as such. The article already has considerable discussion of these matters, but that could possibly still be further expanded. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 20:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I wonder if we could generate some conversation on this proposal before it rots too much more.--'''[[User:Tikuko|<span style="color:black;">T</span><span style="color:orange;">K</span><span style="color:gray;">K</span>]]''' [[User talk:Tikuko|<sup><small>bark</small> <i><big>!</big></i></sup>]] 12:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
* '''Post bold merger support'''. {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} & {{u|Tikuko}}, have just boldly merged these articles I have stumbled upon this old merger discussion, the merge has been completed. Kind regards, [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 01:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC).
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[[:Maremma Sheepdog]] → {{no redirect|Maremmano-Abruzzese Sheepdog}} – Nearly every source used in the article uses this or the Italian ''Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese'' as the breed’s name, some then list the current name as an alternate name. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 01:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. This is going to be a difficult one. There are many WP:RELIABLE WP:SECONDARY references to both the "Maremma sheepdog" and to the "Maremmano-Abruzzese Sheepdog", so arguing WP:COMMONAME will get us nowhere. However, we are dealing with a dog that is found in TWO provinces of Italy, in the [[Maremma]] region of [[Tuscany]], and in [[Abruzzo]]. The FCI name is the "Maremma and the Abruzzes Sheepdog". Therefore, I am going with WP:PRECISION. '''[[User:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">William Harris</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]][[User talk:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">talk</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]]''' 10:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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Merge discussion: Abruzzese mastiff

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The result of this discussion was merge. Cavalryman (talk) 01:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've suggested merging Abruzzese Mastiff here. While I respect and indeed partially agree with the arguments of the separatists who resent the fusion of the Maremmano and Abruzzese strains, the fact remains that they have been a single breed since 1958, the Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese. The "Mastino Abruzzese" is now just another name for the same dog. There is no breed of that name, and no dog can be registered as such. The article already has considerable discussion of these matters, but that could possibly still be further expanded. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I wonder if we could generate some conversation on this proposal before it rots too much more.--TKK bark ! 12:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Requested move 14 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) buidhe 03:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Maremma Sheepdog → Maremmano-Abruzzese Sheepdog – Nearly every source used in the article uses this or the Italian Cane da pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese as the breed’s name, some then list the current name as an alternate name. Cavalryman (talk) 01:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. This is going to be a difficult one. There are many WP:RELIABLE WP:SECONDARY references to both the "Maremma sheepdog" and to the "Maremmano-Abruzzese Sheepdog", so arguing WP:COMMONAME will get us nowhere. However, we are dealing with a dog that is found in TWO provinces of Italy, in the Maremma region of Tuscany, and in Abruzzo. The FCI name is the "Maremma and the Abruzzes Sheepdog". Therefore, I am going with WP:PRECISION. William Harristalk 10:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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