Jump to content

Talk:Chi (letter): Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Content deleted Content added
Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Reply
 
(22 intermediate revisions by 17 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{WP Writing systems|class=Stub|importance=Low}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=Start|
{{WPGR|class=start|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Writing systems|importance=Low}}
{{WikiProject Greece|importance=high}}
}}


==Untitled==
Any reason this is at [[Chi (Greek letter)]] rather than [[Chi (letter)]] (which is just a redirect to here), unlike every other Greek letter? Assuming no objections, I'd like to move it for consistency's sake. -- [[User:DrBob|DrBob]] 18:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Any reason this is at [[Chi (Greek letter)]] rather than [[Chi (letter)]] (which is just a redirect to here), unlike every other Greek letter? Assuming no objections, I'd like to move it for consistency's sake. -- [[User:DrBob|DrBob]] 18:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
*None I can see. '''Support''' move. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 22:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
*None I can see. '''Support''' move. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 22:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Line 16: Line 19:


:I believe there's variation in German, and perhaps also in Greek, between [x] and [χ], depending on dialect. --[[User:Ptcamn|Ptcamn]] 17:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:I believe there's variation in German, and perhaps also in Greek, between [x] and [χ], depending on dialect. --[[User:Ptcamn|Ptcamn]] 17:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

16 YEARS HAVE PASSED AND NOBODY INSERT THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION; PLEASE REMOVE THE WRONG PRONUNCIATION AT LEAST. --[[User:AlexanderFreud|AlexanderFreud]] ([[User talk:AlexanderFreud|talk]]) 16:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


== Usage ==
== Usage ==
Line 22: Line 27:
It's not really the point... [[User:Wikisquared|Wikisquared]] 10:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not really the point... [[User:Wikisquared|Wikisquared]] 10:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, kissing the sign of the Cross when swearing an oath, or 'signing' your name if you can't write. Now thought to be an ex. Worthwhile adding. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 10:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, kissing the sign of the Cross when swearing an oath, or 'signing' your name if you can't write. Now thought to be an ex. Worthwhile adding. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 10:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::Should be added to [[Hugs and kisses]] as well iff there's a good source.--[[Special:Contributions/87.162.33.234|87.162.33.234]] ([[User talk:87.162.33.234|talk]])
::Should be added to [[Hugs and kisses]] as well iff there's a good source. X please, we're French.--[[Special:Contributions/87.162.33.234|87.162.33.234]] ([[User talk:87.162.33.234|talk]]) 08:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, in chemistry isn't lower case chi used to denote "mole fraction?" It would seem appropriate this be included in the article. In a chemistry book I have on hand, ISBN-13:978-0-547-16817-3 on page 510 it describes Raoult's Law, which includes mole fraction. Though it may appear to be a fancy looking "X," it is in fact, lower case chi. I think an update would be in order. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.233.233.238|76.233.233.238]] ([[User talk:76.233.233.238|talk]]) 04:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== origin ==
== origin ==
Line 29: Line 36:
:It was introduced as a variant of Phoenician [[Samekh| {{Script|Phnx|𐤎}}]] (samekh).
:It was introduced as a variant of Phoenician [[Samekh| {{Script|Phnx|𐤎}}]] (samekh).
No source, and the writer may have gotten confused with the use of either Ξ or Χ for /ks/ in different Greek dialects. (I have heard the idea that both qoppa and phi derived from Ph. /q/, when Archaic Greek {{IPA|/kʷʰ/}} split into {{IPA|/kʷʰ/}} and {{IPA|pʰ}}, but not this.) [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 09:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
No source, and the writer may have gotten confused with the use of either Ξ or Χ for /ks/ in different Greek dialects. (I have heard the idea that both qoppa and phi derived from Ph. /q/, when Archaic Greek {{IPA|/kʷʰ/}} split into {{IPA|/kʷʰ/}} and {{IPA|pʰ}}, but not this.) [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 09:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think that Chi ({{IPA|/kʰ/}}, later {{IPA|/x/}} in Eastern Greek, {{IPA|/ks/}} in Western Greek) may be variation of Phoenician [[Kaph]] ({{IPA|/k/}} or {{IPA|/x/}}), together with Kappa ({{IPA|/k/}}) because they are smilar in both pronunciation and shape. [[User:Boskoigic| Бошко Рињац]] ([[User talk:Boskoigic|talk]]) 12:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Semi Protection ?! ==

What sort of vandalism could possibly result in the semi-protection of as dry a subject as a greek letter :D ??
:Exactly my thought. --[[Special:Contributions/82.49.78.25|82.49.78.25]] ([[User talk:82.49.78.25|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
::I presume you are fortunate enough not to be familiar with American "Greek" organizations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternities_and_sororities_in_North_America#Greek_letters [[Special:Contributions/128.193.252.44|128.193.252.44]] ([[User talk:128.193.252.44|talk]]) 11:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:Because English commoners pronounce (or mispronounce) the letter as /t͡ʃi/ and to add the alternative pronunciation is too üntermenschy for enlightened and all-knowing Wikipedia admins. [[Special:Contributions/124.169.150.131|124.169.150.131]] ([[User talk:124.169.150.131|talk]]) 11:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. This is so stupid. -[[User:Stiabhna|Stiabhna]] ([[User talk:Stiabhna|talk]]) 20:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

== Susceptibility ==

In electromagnetism Chi is used to represent the [[Electric susceptibility| electric]] and [[Magnetic Susceptibility| magnetic susceptibility]] of a material. This should probably be added to the Math and Science section of the article. I'm not sure of the procedures for editing a protected page so I apologize if this isn't the right place to mention this. [[User:Jtst4|Jtst4]] ([[User talk:Jtst4|talk]]) 21:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

== ch sound ==

Does Greek have the sound tʃ (China, catch). Did Ancient Greek? Roman? [[User:MBG02|MBG02]] ([[User talk:MBG02|talk]]) 17:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Greek has never had tʃ, ʃ, dʒ or ʒ. [[Special:Contributions/147.147.123.224|147.147.123.224]] ([[User talk:147.147.123.224|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-Protected ==

Why is this page protected? Thanks. -[[User:Stiabhna|Stiabhna]] ([[User talk:Stiabhna|talk]]) 20:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:{{Unprotected}} [[Special:Contributions/2001:EE0:4BCB:B1A0:2CA9:DB6F:E9D5:5AE7|2001:EE0:4BCB:B1A0:2CA9:DB6F:E9D5:5AE7]] ([[User talk:2001:EE0:4BCB:B1A0:2CA9:DB6F:E9D5:5AE7|talk]]) 12:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

== Dirichlet character ==

Someone should add to the usage section that it's used for the [[Dirichlet character]] in number theory. [[Special:Contributions/86.130.89.208|86.130.89.208]] ([[User talk:86.130.89.208|talk]]) 01:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 12:34, 14 March 2024

Untitled

[edit]

Any reason this is at Chi (Greek letter) rather than Chi (letter) (which is just a redirect to here), unlike every other Greek letter? Assuming no objections, I'd like to move it for consistency's sake. -- DrBob 18:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 04:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation - something is wrong here

[edit]

Now what is the correct consonantal sound? --Abdull 17:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there's variation in German, and perhaps also in Greek, between [x] and [χ], depending on dialect. --Ptcamn 17:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

16 YEARS HAVE PASSED AND NOBODY INSERT THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION; PLEASE REMOVE THE WRONG PRONUNCIATION AT LEAST. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 16:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Usage

[edit]

isn't X (Chi) used in XoXoXo (-> Kiss Kiss Kiss) ? (not a rhetorical question, I'm French) -- 10:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC+2) It's not really the point... Wikisquared 10:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, kissing the sign of the Cross when swearing an oath, or 'signing' your name if you can't write. Now thought to be an ex. Worthwhile adding. kwami (talk) 10:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Should be added to Hugs and kisses as well iff there's a good source. X please, we're French.--87.162.33.234 (talk) 08:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in chemistry isn't lower case chi used to denote "mole fraction?" It would seem appropriate this be included in the article. In a chemistry book I have on hand, ISBN-13:978-0-547-16817-3 on page 510 it describes Raoult's Law, which includes mole fraction. Though it may appear to be a fancy looking "X," it is in fact, lower case chi. I think an update would be in order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.233.238 (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

origin

[edit]

removed:

It was introduced as a variant of Phoenician 𐤎 (samekh).

No source, and the writer may have gotten confused with the use of either Ξ or Χ for /ks/ in different Greek dialects. (I have heard the idea that both qoppa and phi derived from Ph. /q/, when Archaic Greek /kʷʰ/ split into /kʷʰ/ and , but not this.) kwami (talk) 09:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Chi (/kʰ/, later /x/ in Eastern Greek, /ks/ in Western Greek) may be variation of Phoenician Kaph (/k/ or /x/), together with Kappa (/k/) because they are smilar in both pronunciation and shape. Бошко Рињац (talk) 12:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi Protection ?!

[edit]

What sort of vandalism could possibly result in the semi-protection of as dry a subject as a greek letter :D ??

Exactly my thought. --82.49.78.25 (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I presume you are fortunate enough not to be familiar with American "Greek" organizations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternities_and_sororities_in_North_America#Greek_letters 128.193.252.44 (talk) 11:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because English commoners pronounce (or mispronounce) the letter as /t͡ʃi/ and to add the alternative pronunciation is too üntermenschy for enlightened and all-knowing Wikipedia admins. 124.169.150.131 (talk) 11:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. This is so stupid. -Stiabhna (talk) 20:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Susceptibility

[edit]

In electromagnetism Chi is used to represent the electric and magnetic susceptibility of a material. This should probably be added to the Math and Science section of the article. I'm not sure of the procedures for editing a protected page so I apologize if this isn't the right place to mention this. Jtst4 (talk) 21:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ch sound

[edit]

Does Greek have the sound tʃ (China, catch). Did Ancient Greek? Roman? MBG02 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greek has never had tʃ, ʃ, dʒ or ʒ. 147.147.123.224 (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protected

[edit]

Why is this page protected? Thanks. -Stiabhna (talk) 20:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotected 2001:EE0:4BCB:B1A0:2CA9:DB6F:E9D5:5AE7 (talk) 12:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dirichlet character

[edit]

Someone should add to the usage section that it's used for the Dirichlet character in number theory. 86.130.89.208 (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]