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Seems to me this should be [[Catherine]] rather than [[Katherine]], theplosive C being the earliest common form in English? [[User:Brendandh|Brendandh]] 03:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
Seems to me this should be [[Catherine]] rather than [[Katherine]], theplosive C being the earliest common form in English? [[User:Brendandh|Brendandh]] 03:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:Agreed - especially since the first homophone mentiolmention that the name's origin and meaning are debated, without listing a single argument for one meaning or the other? If it IS debated, then there should be at least two meanings or origins listed. As soon as I searched the name, I found 'pure' to be the most common definiton, but also found 'one of the two' and 'my blessing of your name'. It needs SOMETHING. [[User:74.134.26.191|74.134.26.191]] 16:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
:Agreed - especially since the first homophone mentiolmention that the name's origin and meaning are debated, without listing a single argument for one meaning or the other? If it IS debated, then there should be at least two meanings or origins listed. As soon as I searched the name, I found 'pure' to be the most common definiton, but also found 'one of the two' and 'my blessing of your name'. It needs SOMETHING. [[User:74.134.26.191|74.134.26.191]] 16:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
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—I took out all etymological info because it's in 'Katherine (given name)' and doesn't need to be repeated here.[[Special:Contributions/67.168.59.171|67.168.59.171]] ([[User talk:67.168.59.171|talk]]) 06:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
—I took out all etymological info because it's in 'Katherine (given name)' and doesn't need to be repeated here.[[Special:Contributions/67.168.59.171|67.168.59.171]] ([[User talk:67.168.59.171|talk]]) 06:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==Merge with Catherine== |
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Katherine is a trivial spelling variant of Catherine. The information in the two articles applies to both names, including things like nicknames and foreign equivalents. The spelling with C appears to be consistently more common in English [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Catherine%2CKatherine&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CCatherine%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CKatherine%3B%2Cc0], so that should be the name of the merged article. --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 21:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:Somehow in the process of this merge, the talk pages for this page and the one relating to the TV series have become confused? There is a redirect somewhere that is pointing from one to the other? edit/I think I have found and deleted it now. [[User:MapReader|MapReader]] ([[User talk:MapReader|talk]]) 09:21, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
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== Catharine == |
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Why are Catherine and Katherine merged, but not [[Catharine (given name)]] (the first sentence of which says that Catharine is a variant of Catherine). [[Special:Contributions/204.40.130.131|204.40.130.131]] ([[User talk:204.40.130.131|talk]]) 14:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 13 February 2021 == |
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Jack Frost|Jack Frost]] ([[User talk:Jack Frost|talk]]) 16:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC) |
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[[:Katherine]] → {{no redirect|Catherine}} – I got [[WP:ASTONISHED]] by the title of this page. "Catherine" is the more common form in English, so the article should be located there per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:053pvr|053pvr]] ([[User talk:053pvr|talk]]) 11:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', both names are fine and applicable, each with many variants (Kathy, Kate, Cathy, etc.). "Katherine", the present name, has been the name of the page since the article creation in 2007. Katherine is a very common name. There is nothing broken here. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 17:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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*{{strikethrough|'''Move'''}} If they were roughly equally common, I'd agree that we shouldn't change the name of the article, but in fact, Catherine is about twice as common as Katherine,[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Catherine%2CKatherine%2CCatharine&yer_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&direct_url=t1%3B%2CCatherine%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CKatherine%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CCatharine%3B%2Cc0] so we should use it. Anyway, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Katherine&diff=738358351&oldid=736812536 merger of Catherine and Katherine] is less than five years old. --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC) PS see the other comments on this Talk page. |
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:Thanks to Rreagan007's comment, I looked at some more sources. I wondered if this was a US/UK issue, but ngrams shows C/K ratios almost identical between the US and the UK. Taking a longer perspective, over the last 100 years, C/K have roughly the same rank in the SocSec listings (C: 45, K: 41), so there doesn't seem to be a good reason to move. I wonder why the book literature finds so many more Cs than Ks? -- maybe reprints of older books? Anyway, I am taking back my "Move". --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 21:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. It looks like the K spelling is currently much more popular than the C spelling of the name based on the social security records. "Katherine" is the 121st most popular name and "Catherine" is 243rd. [https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi] [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 18:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Neutral''' - They're both very common and equally recognisable spellings of the same name in English. [[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 19:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Requested move to Catherine == |
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The article itself states that Katherine is a derivation of the name of Saint Catherine. Given the similar standings in the census numbers, the origination of the name should be the deciding factor in the wikipedia 'formal' spelling of the name |
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[edit]Seems to me this should be Catherine rather than Katherine, theplosive C being the earliest common form in English? Brendandh 03:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed - especially since the first homophone mentiolmention that the name's origin and meaning are debated, without listing a single argument for one meaning or the other? If it IS debated, then there should be at least two meanings or origins listed. As soon as I searched the name, I found 'pure' to be the most common definiton, but also found 'one of the two' and 'my blessing of your name'. It needs SOMETHING. 74.134.26.191 16:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
—I took out all etymological info because it's in 'Katherine (given name)' and doesn't need to be repeated here.67.168.59.171 (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Merge with Catherine
[edit]Katherine is a trivial spelling variant of Catherine. The information in the two articles applies to both names, including things like nicknames and foreign equivalents. The spelling with C appears to be consistently more common in English [1], so that should be the name of the merged article. --Macrakis (talk) 21:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Somehow in the process of this merge, the talk pages for this page and the one relating to the TV series have become confused? There is a redirect somewhere that is pointing from one to the other? edit/I think I have found and deleted it now. MapReader (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Catharine
[edit]Why are Catherine and Katherine merged, but not Catharine (given name) (the first sentence of which says that Catharine is a variant of Catherine). 204.40.130.131 (talk) 14:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Requested move 13 February 2021
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Katherine → Catherine – I got WP:ASTONISHED by the title of this page. "Catherine" is the more common form in English, so the article should be located there per WP:COMMONNAME. 053pvr (talk) 11:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, both names are fine and applicable, each with many variants (Kathy, Kate, Cathy, etc.). "Katherine", the present name, has been the name of the page since the article creation in 2007. Katherine is a very common name. There is nothing broken here. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
MoveIf they were roughly equally common, I'd agree that we shouldn't change the name of the article, but in fact, Catherine is about twice as common as Katherine,[2] so we should use it. Anyway, the merger of Catherine and Katherine is less than five years old. --Macrakis (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC) PS see the other comments on this Talk page.
- Thanks to Rreagan007's comment, I looked at some more sources. I wondered if this was a US/UK issue, but ngrams shows C/K ratios almost identical between the US and the UK. Taking a longer perspective, over the last 100 years, C/K have roughly the same rank in the SocSec listings (C: 45, K: 41), so there doesn't seem to be a good reason to move. I wonder why the book literature finds so many more Cs than Ks? -- maybe reprints of older books? Anyway, I am taking back my "Move". --Macrakis (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. It looks like the K spelling is currently much more popular than the C spelling of the name based on the social security records. "Katherine" is the 121st most popular name and "Catherine" is 243rd. [3] Rreagan007 (talk) 18:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral - They're both very common and equally recognisable spellings of the same name in English. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Requested move to Catherine
[edit]The article itself states that Katherine is a derivation of the name of Saint Catherine. Given the similar standings in the census numbers, the origination of the name should be the deciding factor in the wikipedia 'formal' spelling of the name