Talk:FN P90

Stargate

Just as a note that might help some scifi fans. It's the gun most commonly featured on the TV show "Stargate SG1" (and it's spinoffs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.42.126.82 (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

It was also popularized by the RC P90 in Goldeneye(N64) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.176.9 (talk) 01:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

This info might be worth including if we could find reliable secondary sources. Rezin (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Here you go, <ref name="Sweeney2011">{{cite book|last=Sweeney|first=Patrick|authorlink=Patrick Sweeney (gunsmith)|title=Gun Digest Book of The Tactical Rifle: A User's Guide|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=zVW9hALa3ysC&pg=PA141|year=2011|publisher=Gun Digest Books|location=Iola, Wisconsin|isbn=1-4402-1898-6|page=141|chapter=PDWs|quote=Next up is the FN P90. Those who have watched the TV series “Stargate” will be quite familiar with it, even if they haven't seen it in person or fired it.}}</ref>

Thanks for finding that. Here's another.[1] I don't think I've ever watched an entire episode of Stargate, but even based on channel surfing I know that the P90 is the "Stargate gun". It's a close and prominent connection, verifiable by multiple reliable sources, and probably deserves inclusion. I'm hesitant to create a whole section just for a one-sentence paragraph. Maybe it'd make more sense to note this in the "history" or "users" section? Rezin (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I should note that the presence of a "pop culture" section in this article has been the subject of numerous threads on this talk page. The conclusion of some of those is that the material needs proper sourcing, an issue which has been addressed with these two references. Clearly, many editors think this article should mention the firearm's use in "Stargate", which is why it keeps coming up. I expect that more people have seen the firearm on that show than have seen it anywhere else, and one of the sources says the show popularized it. While it's important to keep unsourced material out, a cited mention of the firearm's use in the series is not undue.

OTOH, from my previous research I'm doubtful that a lookalike gun with a different name used in Goldeneye has much chance of being sourced. That game was apparently quite significant in the history of video games, but even so little has been written about the weapons and their real life analogs. Rezin (talk) 00:20, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

not sure if pop culture will ever come back or needs to (thats up to smarter wiki editors than me), however for pop culture usage the FNP90 was heavily described in detail and bragged as the preferred weapon in stargate in season 5 ep 8 - the warrior. since the display of its abilities this gun has been known by fans as the stargate gun and its cult status has remained solid with viewers. now this could be subjective but i am unaware of any other gun in tv shows been givent he level of attention of having an episode dedicated to showing off its combat abilities before. this alone should be worthy of at least a pop culture comment. 203.219.85.18 (talk) 09:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Fully agreeing. If the list of countries that have at least once used the P90 is significant -- maybe I should say notable -- then certainly weekly appearances for multiple years before millions of regular views should also appear. The P90 was mentioned regularly by name (though not the manufacturer). The weapon was in primary issue from partway through season 3, and I think all the way to the end. FWIW, Tokyo Marui produced a P90 airsoft replica, their AEG (automatic electric gun); ToyTec had a gas-operated version, and it looks like a China version was made. Fan site http://www.sg1props.com offers (offered?) a kit to duplicate the "Stargate" upper receiver.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 09:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Done and done, including appropriate citations. If anyone wants to beef it up that's fine but make sure the info is properly sourced. Icemachine79 (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Icemachine79, neither of those are WP:RS but if you need clarification then post at WP:RSN and ask for a review. Youtube to a copyrighted work is not a source and the other thing isn't a source at all...you cannot cite a TV show as an actual source.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Berean Hunter, I checked this VERY carefully before I added the section and citations. TV shows CAN be used as sources. There is even a template for it: Template:Cite_episode for the episode information and Wikipedia:Videos_as_references for the second link which is a video clip from the cited episode. Icemachine79 (talk) 23:05, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:External_links#Restrictions_on_linking, External links to websites that display copyrighted works are acceptable as long as the website is manifestly run, maintained or owned by the copyright owner; the website has licensed the work from the owner; or it uses the work in a way compliant with fair use. This is just a short clip from a TV show which clearly falls under Fair Use. I used Template:Cite_AV_media and WP:CITEVIDEO to identify the episode in question. Icemachine79 (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Fair use would be if the work were inside a critical work that was discussing the bit applied under fair use. Some standalone copyvio clip is not fair use. Further, movie props do not cut it. I'll defer to Diannaa to make an independent look at whether that would qualify as fair use or copyvio. The rest should be addressed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive1#FN P90.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Linking to material that is in violation of someone's copyright is not allowed. It cannot be considered as fair use either. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, I completely disagree with your assessment of fair use since the quoted policy makes specific allowances for linked material. It's also a fully functional weapon in the clip, not a movie prop, and the episode citation conforms to Wikipedia standards. But I suppose there's nothing I can do about since there's an obvious overriding desire from TPTB to keep these references out of the article without anyone actually trying to assist with finding a way to mention it that conforms with the rules so I give up. You win, I'm out. Icemachine79 (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Federal license

The end of the intro reads "The standard selective fire P90 is restricted to military, law enforcement or holders of a Federal Firearms License (FFL). However, since 2005 a semi-automatic version has been offered to civilian users as the PS90.[15]" Is it too US-centric to talk about a Federal Fireamrs license? I'd think it would be better just leave out the part about restrictions and just say that since 2005 there's been a semi-auto version for civilians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.231.103.58 (talk) 11:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

In most other nations it would be illegal full-stop, and this is English language wikipedia so why not be US-centric in this case. --2A02:C7F:3A87:9A00:6AED:A39F:4D29:10DB (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Because English is spoken outside the US. For example in India, half of Africa, the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada... 130.231.103.58 (talk) 10:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)