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On 5 April 2009, it was proposed that this article be moved from Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Split (?)

In 2005 there was apparently a page named "Chrism Mass" which became a redirect to "Chrism". I switched the redirect to here as (1) the mass is about more than just chrism, and (2) this is traditionally the day on which it is held. I have subsequently expanded the section regarding the Chrism Mass and should not wish it to appear to "overwhelm" the rest of the article. As the originally titled page remains a redirect, I cannot make the herein proposed change, (as I apparently screwed that up the last time I tried something similar). On the otherhand, if the consensus is that the material should remain here, then nevermind. (I thought about listing this under Requested Moves, but as this concerns a section only, wasn't sure if that applied.) Mannanan51 (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be split. It's a very distinct liturgy which is separate from the celebration of Maundy Thursday. Hymnodist.2004 (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article Title

I question the wisdom of titling the article using a name that not only is more-or-less only used in the UK but also contains a hapax legomenon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're not the first, but it's been discussed before (see the earlier discussion section on "Article Name") and was settled in a previous RfC. (Also, it's not exactly a hapax legomenon, as I understand the term. More of a fossil word.) Nitpicking polish (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Even if there has been a discussion before, it can be discussed again. I for one believe the article should be moved to "Holy Thursday", which seems to be definitely more used throughout the English-speaking world than Maundy Thursday. Would anyone have a solid reason to oppose moving the article, while keeping both names in the lead? Dan Palraz (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am Catholic evangelical Christian and I was raised in Catholic schools, in Ohio USA and we Always called it Maundy Thursday, in the morning at morning Mass w washing of the feet, the priest and nuns called it Holy Thursday, but the Evening Mass,the priests and everyone called it Maundy Thursday! Then I in turn raised my daughters in an evangelical Lutheran church and we always call it Maundy Thursday! Same with my 87 year old dad who goes to a Missouri synod Church, they also say Maundy Thursday! So please just keep the name!

Matter of fact, under the Google trending articles today, it has Maundy Thursday, down not Holy Thursday and the first article was Wikipedia! Thank you! Just my opinion! But I had read that someone thought only in UK it is said Maundy Thursday there only!? Which nope, is not true! Blessings to all! SandcastleLyndy (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chrism Mass

If the term "Maundy Thursday" is retained for this article, then the Chrism Mass should be moved. The Chrism Mass was traditionally celebrated on this day, but the reason has nothing to do with "Maundy". --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of what the day is called, the Chrism Mass is still celebrated by a number of churches on this day, and remains an important part of the Holy Week observances. As far as its having "nothing to do with "Maundy", it specifically memorializes what some denominations regard as the founding of the priesthood at the Last Supper on "Maundy" Thursday. Much of the substance was moved two years ago when the Chrism Mass page was re-created (see above). The material here could stand some trimming back now, but some discussion should be retained. -Happy Maundy Thursday. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the Catholic Church in England and Wales, the Chrism Mass is normally celebrated on the Wednesday before Maundy Thursday. Maundy Thursday is reserved for the Mass of the Lord's Supper. In checking this it is on the wednesday in Liverpool (https://liverpoolmetrocathedral.org.uk/events/event/chrism-mass/), Southwark (https://www.stgeorgescathedral.org.uk/whats-on/chrism-mass-2024/?d=638471394000000000) Birmingham (https://www.stchadscathedral.org.uk/events/mass-of-chrism-3/) Nottingham and others. In 2024 Westminster has it on Tuesday 26th March.

The Chrism mass is NOT the Mass of The Lords Supper. It is a separate Mass usually at a Cathedral, during which three containers of Oil (usually Olive, and I can remember going to Makro one year to get it for my cathedral) are consecrated as "holy chrism," (confirmation, ordination, coronation)" "the oil of catechumens," (baptism) and "the oil of the sick." (self explanatory) 82.38.212.33 (talk) 13:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible dates of Maundy Thursday

The text of the article says Maundy Thursday will "always" fall between 19th March and 22nd April, but the list of forthcoming dates shows that it will fall on 2nd May this year (2024). Maybe I have misunderstood something and this isn't a contradiction, but even so, it could do with some clarification. Hephae3tion (talk) 08:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This time indication only referred to the Western counting system, 2nd May is the date of the Eastern one. This year's date is 28 March in the Western church.--Medusahead (talk) 09:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+In 2005 there was apparently a page named "Chrism Mass" which became a redirect to "Chrism". I switched the redirect to here as (1) the mass is about more than just chrism, and (2) this is traditionally the day on which it is held. I have subsequently expanded the section regarding the Chrism Mass and should not wish it to appear to "overwhelm" the rest of the article. As the originally titled page remains a redirect, I cannot make the herein proposed change, (as I apparently screwed that up the last time I tried something similar). On the otherhand, if the consensus is that the material should remain here, then nevermind. (I thought about listing this under Requested Moves, but as this concerns a section only, wasn't sure if that applied.) [[User:Mannanan51|Mannanan51]] ([[User talk:Mannanan51|talk]]) 00:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
-I did a search for "Holy Thursday" and was surprised to be directed to this article.  I had never heard of "Maundy" anything before, so I assumed I had searched incorrectly and searched again.  After some confusion, I came to learn that some English people use this term for "Holy Thursday".  So, my next obvious question was why is the article titled "Maundy Thursday"?  I searched the archives and saw that this discussion has been played out before.  However, when virtually all Catholics and U.S. English-speaking Christians call the day "Holy Thursday" (constituting the vast majority of Christians), how can we justify calling the article "Maundy Thursday"?[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
-:Seeing as there has been no objection to the change, and the archived record seems to indicate more support for the change, would anyone like to add anything before a change is made?[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 17:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-::I congratulate you for checking before moving. Have you read the heated discussion on the disccusion that was held on the occasion of last year's Holy Thursday?  That discussion is referred to in the second item at the top of this page.  I do not believe you can win consensus for a change.  If you do wish to try, why not wait until close to this year's Holy Thursday, when more editors will be looking at this page.  I am of course using "Holy Thursday" in your sense (and mine), not in the sense found in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, where (doubtless following general English usage before the Protestant Reformation) it means what you and I call Ascension Thursday.  This ambiguity of the term "Holy Thursday" is, I think, an important reason for keeping "Maundy Thursday" as the title of the article: "Maundy Thursday" may be a less common term, but it is unambiguous and generally understood even by those who do not use it themselves.  [[User:Esoglou|Esoglou]] ([[User talk:Esoglou|talk]]) 19:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::Yes, I read the history and knew this was way too contentious to unilaterally move without a very, very long warning period.  In my reading of the history, it looked like there was more support for "Holy Thursday" than "Maundy Thursday", but I could be mistaken.  Also, I am not persuaded by the potential Holy/Ascension mix up: So very few Christians know of or use the term Maundy that the confusion of its use would be far greater than a mix up over Holy/Ascension.  Any potential mix-up could be dealt with more easily than the Maundy/Holy mix up is: in the lead.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-::::I just went back through the archives and saw that while the discussions seem to favor a move, the last vote does not.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
+I think it should be split. It's a very distinct liturgy which is separate from the celebration of Maundy Thursday. [[User:Hymnodist.2004|Hymnodist.2004]] ([[User talk:Hymnodist.2004|talk]]) 04:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
-:::::Also, just to set the record straight, the official Catholic term in English is "Holy Thursday" http://www.vatican.va/liturgical_year/holy-week/2009/index_en.htm   Of course, this is not a dispositive argument.  I am merely trying to get a baseline for impending discussions.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 21:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Methodists in the US use "Holy Thursday" in what appears to be an official capacity.  http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=258&GID=180&GMOD=VWD&GCAT=H      [[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Internationally, Lutherans officially say "Maundy Thursday".  http://www.lutheranworld.org/News/LWI/EN/2032.EN.html  [[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 21:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::American Presbytarians officially use "Maundy".  http://www.pcusa.org/missionyearbook/Apr/09.htm   [[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 21:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Orthodox Catholic Church seems to use "Holy" (or "Holy and Great")  http://www.homb.org/calendar-and-daily-readings/church-calendar.php   [[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 22:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Anglicans use "Maundy"  http://www.anglicancommunion.org/acns/news.cfm?mode=entry&entry=A908EEFA-0FA9-AFB6-3632ACDD53A6D8D1     [[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 22:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Baptists don't appear to celebrate the holiday.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 22:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:I would encourage you to read the [[Holy_Thursday#Names_in_English|Names in English]] section of the article. In the previous consensus on this issue, it was decided to retain the name ''Maundy Thursday'' as the article title, especially since ''Holy Thursday'' is the alternate name for ''[[Ascension Day]]'' in some Churches. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]<sup>[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]</sup> 22:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-::I have read the section and, as I have indicated above, I have read the archive.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 22:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::I tend to think the arguments grounded in "confusion" (e.g., Holy/Ascension or "Great and Holy") are unpersuasive straw men. They can be easily dealt with in the lead or in a disambiguation reference at the top of the page, and I think there are excellent reasons to conclude that "Holy Thursday" is both a more ''generic'' or ''generalizable'' name, as well as less grounded in particular linguistic and religious traditions that are not shared by a majority of English speakers. [[User:MrArticleOne|MrArticleOne]] ([[User talk:MrArticleOne|talk]]) 00:40, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
-::::So, anyone have any new thoughts?  This bothers me every year as the holdiday approaches, largely because the term Maundy Thursday is so rarely used in comparison to Holy Thursday.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 17:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Well my position speaks for itself. "Holy Thursday" is, in my opinion, a more generic or generalizable name and is more appropriate than "Maundy Thursday," which is marked by relatively narrow religious and linguistic traditions which are inappropriate considerations for the article title. Frankly I think that this has become something of a sectarian dispute, as my recollection of the past debates is that Catholics are (by and large) leading the charge to change the name to "Holy Thursday" and Protestants seek to maintain "Maundy." This is unfortunate, as it distracts from the fact that, irrespective of sectarian distinctions, "Holy" is more generic and generalizable and is, IMO, more appropriate. [[User:MrArticleOne|MrArticleOne]] ([[User talk:MrArticleOne|talk]]) 21:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Well, I've always seen this as a more nationilistic dispute, as Catholics throughout the world use the term Holy Thursyday, as do all Americans, regardless of religious affiliation.  Really, since this is English Wikipedia, we have only English Protestants seeking to keep the minority name as the title of the article.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
-::::::: I have to agree. In the Anglophone world the day is definitely called "Holy Thursday" more. I think this is especially confusing for Americans because the term is quite literally almost never used here. The disambiguation reference at the top of the page would easily redirect people to Feast of the Ascension and Maundy would properly be used as an alternative name in the first line of the article. Where the confusion engendered by dual use of the term "Holy Thursday" is not ideal, I think that because that conflation of terms exists in areas that use both "Maundy" and "Holy" to refer to the Thursday before Easter there is an anticipation that "Holy Thursday" might be either day (and thus a quick look to the disambiguation reference would be in order), whereas in those parts of the English-speaking world that do not ever use "Maundy" the confusion lacks any context. As was said above, people tend to think they have landed upon the wrong page altogether.[[User:Treko|Treko]] ([[User talk:Treko|talk]]) 13:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::: I disagree that it is only "English Protestants". I am neither English nor Protestant, yet yesterday our church celebrated Maundy Thursday. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::I agree that this is an over-broad generalization (I know Americans who call it Maundy Thursday -- although no American ''Catholics''), but independent of the denominational debate, I feel that "Holy Thursday" is simply a superior, more neutral term less influenced by a specific culture and linguistic tradition. [[User:MrArticleOne|MrArticleOne]] ([[User talk:MrArticleOne|talk]]) 23:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
-:This issue was already settle in an [[Talk:Maundy_Thursday/Archive_1#2009_Discussion_.28Thanks.29|RfC]], where the community decided to retain the term "Maundy Thursday" for this article. Please read this discussion there. Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]<sup>[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]</sup> 02:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
+== Article Title ==
+I question the wisdom of titling the article using a name that not only is more-or-less only used in the UK but also contains a hapax legomenon  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.121.6.113|64.121.6.113]] ([[User talk:64.121.6.113#top|talk]]) 15:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
---It is absolutely bonkers to have the primary name be 'maundy' - to the vast, vast majority of Christians, it is Holy Thursday.  What gives?
+: You're not the first, but it's been discussed before (see the earlier discussion section on "Article Name") and was settled in a previous [[Talk:Maundy_Thursday/Archive_1#2009_Discussion_.28Thanks.29|RfC]]. (Also, it's not exactly a hapax legomenon, as I understand the term. More of a [[fossil word]].) [[User:Nitpicking polish|Nitpicking polish]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking polish|talk]]) 16:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
-I cannot believe that "So very few Christians know of or use the term "Maundy Thursday" " as claimed by [[User LedRuth) (above) - to the majority of us in my own country (Great Britain) this is the term that is commonly used for the day in question.   <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.140.1.129|81.140.1.129]] ([[User talk:81.140.1.129#top|talk]]) 19:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:: Even if there has been a discussion before, it can be discussed again. I for one believe the article should be moved to "Holy Thursday", which seems to be definitely more used throughout the English-speaking world than Maundy Thursday. Would anyone have a solid reason to oppose moving the article, while keeping both names in the lead? [[User:Dan Palraz|Dan Palraz]] ([[User talk:Dan Palraz|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
-[[Special:Contributions/50.252.249.155|50.252.249.155]] ([[User talk:50.252.249.155|talk]]) 01:03, 2 April 2015 (UTC)jpt
+:::I am Catholic evangelical Christian and I was raised in Catholic schools, in Ohio USA and we Always called it Maundy Thursday, in the morning at morning Mass w washing of the feet, the priest and nuns called it Holy Thursday, but the Evening Mass,the priests and everyone called it Maundy Thursday! Then I in turn raised my daughters in an evangelical Lutheran church and we always call it Maundy Thursday! Same with my 87 year old dad who goes to a Missouri synod Church, they also say Maundy Thursday! So please just keep the name!
+:::Matter of fact, under the Google trending articles today, it has Maundy Thursday, down not Holy Thursday and the first article was Wikipedia! Thank you! Just my opinion! But I had read that someone thought only in UK it is said Maundy Thursday there only!? Which nope, is not true! Blessings to all! [[User:SandcastleLyndy|SandcastleLyndy]] ([[User talk:SandcastleLyndy|talk]]) 17:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
-== passover ==
+== Chrism Mass ==
-This article seems to be more about the naming convention of different sects of Christians, and not on the day itself.  How is it that the word "passover" does not appear in this article?[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 21:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
+If the term "Maundy Thursday" is retained for this article, then the Chrism Mass should be moved.  The Chrism Mass was traditionally celebrated on this day, but the reason has nothing to do with "Maundy". --[[User:Richardson mcphillips|Richardson mcphillips]] ([[User talk:Richardson mcphillips|talk]]) 19:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
+: Regardless of what the day is called, the Chrism Mass is still celebrated by a number of churches on this day, and remains an important part of the Holy Week observances. As far as its having "nothing to do with "Maundy", it specifically memorializes what some denominations regard as the founding of the priesthood at the Last Supper on "Maundy" Thursday. Much of the substance was moved two years ago when the Chrism Mass page was re-created (see above). The material here could stand some trimming back now, but some discussion should be retained. -Happy Maundy Thursday. [[User:Mannanan51|Mannanan51]] ([[User talk:Mannanan51|talk]]) 16:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
-:The article is about the Christian celebration of Holy Thursday, not about the Jewish feast of Passover, which the Gospel of John describes as beginning on the evening of what we would call Good Friday, not Holy Thursday, of the year when Jesus died. See {{bibleverse||John|19:14}}, {{bibleverse-nb||John 19:31}} and {{bibleverse-nb||John 19:42}}. That complicates matters.  [[User:Esoglou|Esoglou]] ([[User talk:Esoglou|talk]]) 19:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
+::In the Catholic Church in England and Wales, the Chrism Mass is normally celebrated on the Wednesday before Maundy Thursday. Maundy Thursday is reserved for the Mass of the Lord's Supper. In checking this it is on the wednesday in Liverpool (https://liverpoolmetrocathedral.org.uk/events/event/chrism-mass/), Southwark (https://www.stgeorgescathedral.org.uk/whats-on/chrism-mass-2024/?d=638471394000000000) Birmingham (https://www.stchadscathedral.org.uk/events/mass-of-chrism-3/) Nottingham and others. In 2024 Westminster has it on Tuesday 26th March.
-::Holy Thursday is a celebration of the last supper, which was a celebration of passover, no?[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
+::The Chrism mass is NOT the Mass of The Lords Supper. It is a separate Mass usually at a Cathedral, during which three containers of Oil (usually Olive, and I can remember going to Makro one year to get it for my cathedral) are consecrated as "holy chrism," (confirmation, ordination, coronation)" "the oil of catechumens," (baptism) and "the oil of the sick." (self explanatory) [[Special:Contributions/82.38.212.33|82.38.212.33]] ([[User talk:82.38.212.33|talk]]) 13:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::Holy Thursday is not a Passover Meal in John's gospel.  Jesus is crucified on Preparation Day in that gospel [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john19.htm#v14 (Jn 19:14).]  You are correct that the other three gospels treat the Last Supper as a Passover meal.  Only the gospel of John has the story of the washing of the feet and the "mandatum" (Latin, "command") that the disciples should wash one another's feet [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john13.htm#v14 (Jn 13:14).] [[User:Mxmsj|Martin X. Moleski, SJ]] ([[User talk:Mxmsj|talk]]) 12:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
+== Possible dates of Maundy Thursday  ==
-== Sculpiturgy? ==
-The caption for Master Paul's sculpture of the Last Supper uses the word "sculpiturgy."  That doesn't seem like a real word to me, although I have no means of proving that it is just a typo.  It looks like a combination of "sculpture" and "liturgy," but I don't see how that would happen by accident.  [[User:Mxmsj|Martin X. Moleski, SJ]] ([[User talk:Mxmsj|talk]]) 11:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
+The text of the article says Maundy Thursday will "always" fall between 19th March and 22nd April, but the list of forthcoming dates shows that it will fall on 2nd May this year (2024). Maybe I have misunderstood something and this isn't a contradiction, but even so, it could do with some clarification. [[User:Hephae3tion|Hephae3tion]] ([[User talk:Hephae3tion|talk]]) 08:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
+:This time indication only referred to the Western counting system, 2nd May is the date of the Eastern one. This year's date is 28 March in the Western church.--[[User:Medusahead|Medusahead]] ([[User talk:Medusahead|talk]]) 09:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
-I ran a quick google search on the word and found nothing besides this article. I second the motion to have it changed. --[[User:Wtperkins|W. T. Perkins]] ([[User talk:Wtperkins|talk]]) 23:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
-:* I agree. Changed. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
-== IP addition of "Monday Thursday" ==
-An IP is trying to add "Monday Thursday" as another name here, without citations.  Can someone please provide a citation and an explaination?[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Hello. I recently added the name "Monday Thursday" but it seems like someone doesn't like me because they keep changing it back :((((((. I call it "Monday Thursday" because when I was little I couldn't say "Maundy". My homework tonight was to edit one wikipedia article and I'm scared that if my change isn't there during school tomorrow, I won't get credit from my teacher, Mrs. Freed.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/167.127.218.62|167.127.218.62]] ([[User talk:167.127.218.62|talk]]) 20:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::I will assume good faith here and just let you know that to change information on wikipedia, you need a reliable source that supports the information.  If you provide one that says that "Monday Thursday" is a widely used term, we can add the information.  Otherwise, you will need to find another way to make Mrs. Freed happy.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 20:38, 30 June 2011
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-:::Third person chiming in here; I don't have any direct experience with this but I would imagine that it's probably in very common usage (in England anyway). It seems to have exactly the same traits that cause most people to mistakenly say "opposable thumb" instead of "apposable thumb", namely the phrase contains a word that not only is used nowhere else in the English language but also sounds extremely similar to another much more common word (BTW, is there a name for that phenomenon?)
-:::: Yes, there's a name for it, but I don't recall it. But, let me ask, why are you opposed to thumbs? [[User:Lipsio|Vincent J. Lipsio]] ([[User talk:Lipsio|talk]]) 03:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
-==Section on name==
-The section on the origins of the name are extremely interesting. I had always assumed that the name came from the Latin "mandatum", but I did not know about the other theories. Perhaps some of the information here could go in [[Wikipedia: Main Page]]
-as a "Did you know". [[User:ACEOREVIVED|ACEOREVIVED]] ([[User talk:ACEOREVIVED|talk]]) 00:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
-Or at least, it could go in when it is Maundy Thursday this year! [[User:ACEOREVIVED|ACEOREVIVED]] ([[User talk:ACEOREVIVED|talk]]) 11:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
-== Disambiguation ==
-I've [[WP:BB|been bold]] and made [[Holy Thursday]] a dab page. The name "Holy Thursday" appears to be truly ambiguous; it refers either to [[Maundy Thursday]] or [[Ascension Day]], so a disambiguation page is appropriate. I've added the dab page to the categories appropriate to both the pages to which it points. [[User:Tonywalton|Tonywalton]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Tonywalton|Talk]]</sup> 23:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
-:A disambiguation page is only appropriate for two topics that have an ambiguous topic if one of them is not the primary topic. I don't think there was any reason to delete the redirect history if you thought a disambiguation page would be better there, and I restored the redirect since I didn't see any discussion at [[Talk:Holy Thursday]]. In this case, Maundy Thursday seems like a plausible primary topic for "Holy Thursday", and the Feast of the Ascension is dabbed from a hatnote (per [[WP:TWODABS]]). -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 13:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-== What is the history of observations of Maundy Thursday? ==
-The article lacks information regarding the history of observations.  Some questions to get started: When is the first recorded observation (after, of course, the original)?  What form did these observations take? -- [[User:Ke4roh|ke4roh]] ([[User talk:Ke4roh|talk]]) 18:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
-== External links modified ==
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-== citations for footwashing during Maundy Thursday ==
-There is a conspicuous lack of citations in the section on footwashing on Maundy Thursday. While this is understandable since there is a separate article on the practice footwashing, there should be citations here specifically for groups implementing this practice on Maundy Thursday in particular. I wonder (without sufficient knowledge), if this is true for groups with a strong tradition of footwashing, but perhaps without strong tradition of Maundy Thursday recognition at all, eg. [[Schwarzenau Brethren]]?
-[[User:Sondra.kinsey|Sondra.kinsey]] ([[User talk:Sondra.kinsey|talk]]) 04:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
-== Jesus had The Last Supper on Thursday 14 Nisan 3790 HC / April 6, 30 AD / 6.4.783 AUC ==
-Jesus had his [[Last Supper]] on Thursday 14 Nisan 3790 HC / April 6, 30 AD / 6.4.783 AUC: the night before the first night of [[Passover]]. [[Special:Contributions/2601:589:4705:C7C0:445B:F831:9E37:DBE7|2601:589:4705:C7C0:445B:F831:9E37:DBE7]] ([[User talk:2601:589:4705:C7C0:445B:F831:9E37:DBE7|talk]]) 20:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
-:What is your source for this statement? Without a source we can't include it in the article. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 02:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
-== Inappropriate influence of the Anglican Church over Wikipedia policy ==
-Why is this article titled "Maundy Thursday" despite the fact that that name is in common use by only two denominations? That seems inappropriate. The article itself states that the name is not widely used outside of England. Given that this is the 21st century and not the 17th a name for the holiday only commonly used in England would not seem to me to be a particularly important name for the day.
-*Oh settle down--the Anglican Illuminati haven't taken over the joint. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:06, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
-@Drmies (and the unsigned instigator), the "Illuminati" might not be the flaring firecrackers that people like the person you are responding to seems to think they are regarded as, at least in Canada. According to the Wikipedia article on Anglicans, "The Anglican Church of Canada (ACC or ACoC) is the Province of the Anglican Communion in Canada.[...] In 2007, the Anglican Church counted 545,957 members on parish rolls in 2,192 congregations organised into approximately 1300 parishes. The 2011 Canadian Census counted 1,631,845 self-identified Anglicans (5 percent of the total Canadian population), making the Anglican Church the third largest Canadian church after the Roman Catholic Church and the United Church of Canada. The Queen of Canada's Canadian Royal Style continues to include the Style Defender of the Faith (French: Défenseur de la Foi), and the Canadian Monarch continues her countenance of two Chapels Royal in the Realm." - - - - -  Note well that 5% of the entire Canadian population, many of whom are neither Christian nor theists, is quite a big chunk of those who would even be discussing this in the first place. My point? The name "Maunday Thursday" is used by a significant number of Canadian Christians, although it is true that this causes no changes in the train schedules. (By contrast, some largely Roman Catholic countries in Europe change the train schedules for the observance of Corpus Christi. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Christi_(feast) ... this does not happen in Canada. This is a serious question to clear up if Wikipedia is purporting to be serious. Basically, one in twenty Canadians were Anglicans in 2011, undoubtedly less now, because of massive immigration of non-Anglicans under all parties alike, which is another topic, but my point is that "Maundy Thursday" is still used by a non-insignificant percentage of Canadians, which I posit in opposition to the absurd claims being made by those who want to delete this article. (Not expecting a long reply, just saying.)[[User:77Mike77|77Mike77]] ([[User talk:77Mike77|talk]]) 01:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
-:I'm pretty sure the IP editor was arguing for a change of name to Holy Thursday, rather than deleting the article.  Of course, he's right, as there has never been a good reason to keep the term that is less commonly used, less general, and less useful to Wikipedia readers.[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 15:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
-Where do you live? "Holy Thursday" must be a local expression there. "Maunday Thursday" is known by Anglicans everywhere. It would be a non-Anglican who would look up "Maunday Thursday", so to not have it as the title makes no sense.[[User:77Mike77|77Mike77]] ([[User talk:77Mike77|talk]]) 02:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-::Well, we only have about 2,000 Anglicans in the US, and there's only about 115k in North America, so, yeah, virtually no one uses that term in this hemisphere.  While we're at it, the number of English speakers worldwide who use the term is dwarfed by the number of people who use "Holy Thursday", so I don't really care what term Anglicans use other than how it contributes to the total number of people  who use the term and how that compares to the number of people who use "Holy Thursday".[[User:LedRush|LedRush]] ([[User talk:LedRush|talk]]) 12:31, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-::::?? According to the infobox, there are: "3 million total adherents (2015 estimate),[1] 1,504,273 communicant members and 1,956,042 baptized members (2014)[2]" of the  US Episcopalian Church. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 13:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-:In the Catholic Church, it is known as "Holy Thursday". I agree with the IP, the current name is too Anglo-centric. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 09:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-::In the Catholic Church in England, & no doubt some other Anglophone countries, it is normally called Maundy Thursday. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 13:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-:::Like I said, too Anglo-centric (both the state and the state religion). In Ireland - a largely English-speaking country, only the Church of Ireland, a minority denomination, uses the term MS. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 14:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
-== Split (?) ==
-In 2005 there was apparently a page named "Chrism Mass" which became a redirect to "Chrism". I switched the redirect to here as (1) the mass is about more than just chrism, and (2) this is traditionally the day on which it is held. I have subsequently expanded the section regarding the Chrism Mass and should not wish it to appear to "overwhelm" the rest of the article. As the originally titled page remains a redirect, I cannot make the herein proposed change, (as I apparently screwed that up the last time I tried something similar). On the otherhand, if the consensus is that the material should remain here, then nevermind. (I thought about listing this under Requested Moves, but as this concerns a section only, wasn't sure if that applied.) [[User:Mannanan51|Mannanan51]] ([[User talk:Mannanan51|talk]]) 00:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)