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== Category ==
== Some Terrible Problems in the Inquisition Section ==

In some places the text states (correctly, I believe) that the Inquisition did not execute anyone: secular authorities did. But other sections go right on claiming the Inquisition did this. One sentence even claims "the execution" did it: "actually executed by the Spanish execution." I am not an expert in this history, but both claims can't be right.

And footnote 37 is to a *novel*! No, you can't use fiction as a historical reference! [[User:GeneCallahan|GeneCallahan]] ([[User talk:GeneCallahan|talk]]) 21:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


{{ping|Dimadick}} please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
== Undue and unrelated content ==


:{{ping|Dimadick}} that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Removed the Hindu tradition section because both of the sources are referring to metaphors of those translations that are outdated within the mainstream scholarship, one of them(by abhinav publications) is clearly unreliable source.


[[:Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous_categories|Eponymous_categories]]: "A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the '''eponymous category''' for that article"... "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing (see [[#Sort keys]])."
Removed the "Fire and the fault of Karma" because it reads like one set of philosophical opinions with nothing to do with the death by burning. Whole page must include the notable instances and practices, not irrelevant set of unsupported views. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
It has a lot of much to do with Death by burning. Its about the widow burning in ancient India where widows were burned alive after the death of their husbands. How come it is not to do with the Hindu Traditions? I don't understand that . <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Harkins|John Harkins]] ([[User talk:John Harkins|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Harkins|contribs]]) 17:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Not supported by the reference, so it is [[Wikipedia:SYNTH]], set of opinions do nothing especially when it is undue and unrelated. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 17:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
It is not a set of opinions but rather truth which you try to declare it false. You say it is unrelated. There are sources given next to every statement. Please respect the sources. And don't revert now. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Harkins|John Harkins]] ([[User talk:John Harkins|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Harkins|contribs]]) 18:00, 25 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Saying that "Life is filled with pain" has to do something with the death by burning? Or that Weinberger-Thomas(who?) is remembering that he had watched something but he don't remember the exact year? Simply nothing. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 18:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


:{{ping|User:Dimadick}} I have opened [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Read this.
::The category we are discussing, not the Pharaohs category. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
"A number of sayings/rulings of Hindu sages contain prescripts for death penalty by means of heated metal. The [[Laws of Manu]], for example, states that the adulterer should be placed on an iron bed, well heated, and that the executioners are to continually add logs beneath it, until the "sinful wretch" is burned to death.<ref>''Manu, Haughton'' (1825), [http://books.google.com/?id=1blZAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA279 p.279]</ref> The sage [[Vasishta]], laid down that he who has sex with his guru's wife:"
:::{{ping|Dimadick}} So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::::No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Dimadick}} That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at [[:Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous_categories|Eponymous_categories]] are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. [[Death by burning]]? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


== Off-topic entries ==
You are only removing the Hindu related materials. May I know Why? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Harkins|John Harkins]] ([[User talk:John Harkins|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Harkins|contribs]]) 18:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Outdated commentaries that were copied from a missionary author, and edited by William Jones, they are regarded as fringed theories by the modern scholars or anyone after mid 19th century. Find me one source after mid 19th century that has used such defective translation.
::I check all recent editions, but you have only targeted particular material, so it must be your issue. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 18:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] ([[User talk:RFBailey|talk]]) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
So you mean that all the sources provided there in are incorrect and must be removed. ? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Harkins|John Harkins]] ([[User talk:John Harkins|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Harkins|contribs]]) 18:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I removed the fringe information, you can do that. They are not supported by mainstream scholars or even little bit by any of the 20th century scholars. Look around, we don't use these names in any of the articles as source. It is the case with the 4/5 sources that has been added in your edition. You cannot add speculations or fringed theories on the article where small sections are used for providing the conclusion. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 19:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


== Burning at the stakes picture ==
::Here's a little blurb on Thomas: [http://institutfrancais.in/node/168 "Catherine Weinberger-Thomas, anthropologist, professor emeritus at INALCO, academician in residency at the University of Santa Barbara, has notably published a book on the cremation of widows in India. The book has been translated in english and published by Chicago University Press under the title "Ashes of Immortality. Widow-burning in India."] Seems like she is probably a good source if we use her work properly. What do you think?--[[User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh|Brianann MacAmhlaidh]] ([[User talk:Brianann MacAmhlaidh|talk]]) 22:57, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also [[:ru:сожжение в срубе|burned in a log house]]. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. [[User:Сурбас|Сурбас]] ([[User talk:Сурбас|talk]]) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:::[[User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh|Brianann MacAmhlaidh]], lines that Catherine Weinberger has written, in her essay "Fire and fault of Karma", are not solely related with this subject. They are just a few set of opinions, with no evidence. For e.g., Weinberger is claiming that suicide by fire is still carried out in [[Tamil Nadu]],(south India) but what is the base? This practice was never carried out in South India.[http://books.google.com/books?id=HVpUvz5jtdwC&pg=PA59-IA1&dq=sati+%22south+india%22] Catherine Weinberger has extensively used William Jones and some missionary writers of 18th century for her discussion, she might be discussing about the different things that she has heard but anything related to death by burning has been added in a few paragraphs above, including the statistics. For more understanding, the main page can be used, and material can be selectively added there(already added though), but here, providing a few paragraphs is enough. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 02:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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@Dimadick: please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? MPS1992 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. Dimadick (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. MPS1992 (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous_categories: "A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the eponymous category for that article"... "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing (see #Sort keys)."

Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. Dimadick (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: I have opened Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. MPS1992 (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The category we are discussing, not the Pharaohs category. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? MPS1992 (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. Dimadick (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at Eponymous_categories are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. Death by burning? MPS1992 (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? Dimadick (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --RFBailey (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burning at the stakes picture

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In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also burned in a log house. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. Сурбас (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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