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== Category ==

{{ping|Dimadick}} please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


:{{ping|Dimadick}} that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
== Ukrainian riot police officer burned alive ==


[[:Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous_categories|Eponymous_categories]]: "A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the '''eponymous category''' for that article"... "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing (see [[#Sort keys]])."
The picture caption is incorrect. According to officially available information no police officer was actually burnt to death, although some suffered burns of various degrees in a course of clashes. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/196.3.50.254|196.3.50.254]] ([[User talk:196.3.50.254|talk]]) 09:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Seems fine, I will replace the image with other. [[User:Bladesmulti|Bladesmulti]] ([[User talk:Bladesmulti|talk]]) 13:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
== Discussion of a recent revert ==


:{{ping|User:Dimadick}} I have opened [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Death_by_burning&diff=646108558&oldid=646106247 this recent revert] with the edit summary "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]." I'm not a fan of the Soviet Union (I agree to a large extent with Noam Chomsky that the USSR can be described to some degree as "a dungeon with a floor on human suffering"). But the WP article "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]" strikes me as an awful article. It appears to be nothing more than an [[ad hominem]] attack piece, a hit-piece, nothing more than a vacuous piece of Orwellian-style propaganda. Some parts of the article are not supported by reliable sources, and the sources cited appear to be designed to block and preempt legitimate allegations of US cynicism and US hypocrisy by broadly and mendaciously painting any and all such allegations as ridiculous and thus ''a-priori'' illegitimate.
::The category we are discussing, not the Pharaohs category. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Dimadick}} So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::::No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Dimadick}} That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at [[:Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous_categories|Eponymous_categories]] are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. [[Death by burning]]? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


== Off-topic entries ==
Take "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]", and invert it (i.e., perform a process similar to some extent to the spirit of [[WP: Boomerang]]), that is, replace every occurrence of 'soviet union' (or the other so-called 'communist' or 'socialist' countries appearing in "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]") with 'the U.S.,' and replace every occurrence of 'the U.S.' (or the 'West') with 'the Soviet Union,' and replace the phrase 'And you are lynching Negroes' with the mirror phrase 'And you are imprisoning dissidents in gulags', and replace every source ridiculing the Soviet Union with a mirror source ridiculing the U.S. (or the 'West'). The resulting article is the mirror image of the original article, that is, an [[ad hominem]] attack piece, an article that appears just as "legitimate" as the current article. Or in other words, just another piece of vacuous propaganda and intellectually empty garbage, not fundamentally different than the vacuous propaganda of "[And you are lynching Negroes]]".


The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] ([[User talk:RFBailey|talk]]) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
It is not my intent to attack or injure any editor(s). My only intent is to express the view that using "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]" is not valid reasoning to support [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Death_by_burning&diff=646108558&oldid=646106247 the recent revert]. I'd like to respectfully ask the reverting editor to please articulate a legitimate, convincing reason for the revert, and please not cite nonsense such as "[[And you are lynching Negroes]]." Otherwise the reverted content should be restored. Thanks, [[User:IjonTichyIjonTichy|IjonTichy ]] ([[User talk:IjonTichyIjonTichy|talk]]) 01:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


== Burning at the stakes picture ==
==Nazis burning people, people burning Nazis... really?==
In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also [[:ru:сожжение в срубе|burned in a log house]]. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. [[User:Сурбас|Сурбас]] ([[User talk:Сурбас|talk]]) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Seems that if we are going to include the incident in which one Nazi official was burned by a mob, or the other where German minorities in post-WW2 Czechoslovakia were burned alive (both with German-language sources no less) we also ought to include the recent [[2 May 2014 Odessa clashes]] where 30 or 40 people were burned alive by pro-Kiev radical nationalists. Or perhaps how there were cases of Nazi crematoriums burning people alive? As it is, the article is (sorry to say) biased with a pro-Nazi slant. Actually, the article is already becoming something of a compendium list. There has to be a way to separate some of these into more accessible articles, or at least structure it better. Does anyone have any ideas? I would hesitate to name it something like "list of historically prominent deaths by burning," but perhaps it could be structured more around the describing the historical background of the practice, and organizing the examples based on cause or motive rather than geography or time period? For example, burning at the stake is something of a religious practice against heretics which to some extent continues today. Another separate aspect was punishment for crimes like adultery or liberating slaves. Then there is self-immolation and firebombing. As long as we're examining the German angle, what about the firebombing of Dresden? Really it is a very broad topic, and I don't think it is well-served by lumping together all these historical examples as it stands now. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.1.230.88|184.1.230.88]] ([[User talk:184.1.230.88|talk]]) 22:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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@Dimadick: please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? MPS1992 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. Dimadick (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. MPS1992 (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous_categories: "A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the eponymous category for that article"... "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing (see #Sort keys)."

Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. Dimadick (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: I have opened Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. MPS1992 (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The category we are discussing, not the Pharaohs category. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? MPS1992 (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. Dimadick (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at Eponymous_categories are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. Death by burning? MPS1992 (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? Dimadick (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --RFBailey (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burning at the stakes picture

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In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also burned in a log house. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. Сурбас (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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