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Seems that if we are going to include the incident in which one Nazi official was burned by a mob, or the other where German minorities in post-WW2 Czechoslovakia were burned alive (both with German-language sources no less) we also ought to include the recent [[2 May 2014 Odessa clashes]] where 30 or 40 people were burned alive by pro-Kiev radical nationalists. Or perhaps how there were cases of Nazi crematoriums burning people alive? As it is, the article is (sorry to say) biased with a pro-Nazi slant. Actually, the article is already becoming something of a compendium list. There has to be a way to separate some of these into more accessible articles, or at least structure it better. Does anyone have any ideas? I would hesitate to name it something like "list of historically prominent deaths by burning," but perhaps it could be structured more around the describing the historical background of the practice, and organizing the examples based on cause or motive rather than geography or time period? For example, burning at the stake is something of a religious practice against heretics which to some extent continues today. Another separate aspect was punishment for crimes like adultery or liberating slaves. Then there is self-immolation and firebombing. As long as we're examining the German angle, what about the firebombing of Dresden? Really it is a very broad topic, and I don't think it is well-served by lumping together all these historical examples as it stands now. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.1.230.88|184.1.230.88]] ([[User talk:184.1.230.88|talk]]) 22:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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{{ping|Dimadick}} please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Dimadick}} that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
The article is grotesquely overdetailed. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 10:40, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


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Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|User:Dimadick}} I have opened [[:Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt]] and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|Dimadick}} So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Dimadick}} That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at [[:Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous_categories|Eponymous_categories]] are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. [[Death by burning]]? [[User:MPS1992|MPS1992]] ([[User talk:MPS1992|talk]]) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


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The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] ([[User talk:RFBailey|talk]]) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also [[:ru:сожжение в срубе|burned in a log house]]. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. [[User:Сурбас|Сурбас]] ([[User talk:Сурбас|talk]]) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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@Dimadick: please could you explain what "Main topic article of the category" means, and how it justifies placing an article about a method of execution, into a category of articles about people? MPS1992 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you new to Wikipedia? Every category has a main article which explains the topic. Dimadick (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: that is a surprising question. Please could you mention for me what the "main article" of Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt is, so that I might better understand your assertion. A precise link to policy on this would be an acceptable alternative. MPS1992 (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous_categories: "A category that covers exactly the same topic as an article is known as the eponymous category for that article"... "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing (see #Sort keys)."

Open the category and see which is the eponymous article. Dimadick (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimadick: I have opened Category:Pharaohs of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt and there is no eponymous article. Please could you explain how that fits with your assertion "Every category has a main article which explains the topic". Please could you also indent your posts correctly when replying. MPS1992 (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The category we are discussing, not the Pharaohs category. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: So are you retracting your claim that "Every category has a main article which explains the topic"? MPS1992 (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't. Subcategorizing the category on the 12th dynasty, does not mean it lacks a main article. Dimadick (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: That's not very helpful. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. Which of the three options listed at Eponymous_categories are you proposing to use with regard to the article under discussion, i.e. Death by burning? MPS1992 (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is already listed as the main article of the category, and it is supposed to provide the category's definition (as no other definition was provided). Are you offering to write a better definition of the category's scope? Dimadick (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The focus of this article is clearly meant to be a discussion of burning as a method of execution, rather than instances of where people are killed by fire more generally, whether by arson, firebombing in war (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), or fires caused by law enforcement operations (e.g. Waco). I have therefore removed some subsections as being off-topic, with the aim of restoring the focus of the article. --RFBailey (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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In Russia, unlike the centuries-old English practice regarding women, it was not customary to burn people in public at the stakes. Since the 16th century, only the practice of burning heretics and witches in log cabins has been known. Avvakum and his accomplices were also burned in a log house. It is strange that the article begins with Myasoedov's picturesque fantasy, which does not correspond to historical truth. Сурбас (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]